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Question on John 19:30

Alive said:
As I recall having been raised in the RCC and been an alter boy and confirmed and much later studying it; the idea was transubstantiation and only the priests were able to serve up the wafer (bread), thus shackling the poor members to the RCC hierarchy.
One of many things within the system that so aimed to control, manipulate and bind up the folks.
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Another one!

Massive incoherence here!

How does the new covenant priesthood “shackling the hierarchy?
To be in the hierarchy is to be a priest!

Christ founded the church save all men not control all men!

Thanks
 
donadams said:
Another one!
Massive incoherence here!
How does the new covenant priesthood “shackling the hierarchy?
To be in the hierarchy is to be a priest!
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Because all those in the body of Christ are the royal priesthood (1 Pe 2:5, 9), not just the hierarchy (clerics).
 
donadams said:
First please define what ghe “it” is!

Thks
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The "it" is the atonement. . .completed. . . .once for all (Ro 6:10, Heb 7:27, 9:12, 26, 28, 10:10, 1 Pe 3:18). . .nothing to be added. . .totally sufficient. . .by God alone.
 
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Eleanor said:
Because all those in the body of Christ are the royal priesthood (1 Pe 2:5, 9), not just the hierarchy (clerics).
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That's right. Amen!
 
donadams said:
How does the new covenant priesthood “shackling the hierarchy?
To be in the hierarchy is to be a priest!
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Shacking TO the hierarchy Don. Read for comprehension.
 
Eleanor said:
The "it" is the atonement. . .completed. . . .once for all (Ro 6:10, Heb 7:27, 9:12, 26, 28, 10:10, 1 Pe 3:18). . .nothing to be added. . .totally sufficient. . .by God alone.
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How do you know this?
 
Carbon said:
Well. The reason that Christ came. You do know what that is?
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“IT” is the passover

Luke 22:15
And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

In this passover Christ makes the old covenant passover into the new covenant Passover (the last supper is the offertory) the New Testament in His blood. Luke 22:20
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Christ is priest and victim:

1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

1 Peter 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:


John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Christ is high priest heb 8:1

The high priest wears the seamless garment Jn 19:23-24

The words the high priest says at the consummation of the passover sacrifice: “it is finished”!
 
In the Old Testament, there were THREE levels of Priests:
High Priest [Aaron]
Levitical Priesthood [Ex 30:30; Lev 5:5-6; Numbers 15:27-28]
General priesthood of the rest of the believers. [Ex 19:6]

In the New Testament, there are also three levels of Priests:
Jesus, our High Priest (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 7:22-25),
The Ministerial Priests (James 5:14-15; John 20:23; 2 Cor 2:10; 2 Cor 5:18)
The General Priesthood of all Christians (1 Peter 2:5-9).
 
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