Question on John 19:30

[Arial]

Yes, by Christ's Catholic Church.

In the NT the writers referred to Christ's church as catholic---and that according to the definition of the word---they it referred to there is only one gospel, one Savior, one means of salvation, one set of doctrinal truths, not mixed with other myths, or religions, of other anything. It did not refer to denominations, or buildings. Christ has a catholic church but he does not have a Catholic church. Or a Baptist church, a Methodist church, etc. The RCC does a lot of mixing this and that into their religion----things not found in the Bible and things prohibited by the Bible.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Yes, the penman of the NT are the church, the body of Christ.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, James, Paul.... Catholics in the first century.

 

[Arch Stanton]

things not found in the Bible and things prohibited by the Bible.

so much for 'whatever you bind....'

 

[Arial]

That is quite the problem.... see what the sixteenth century gave us? chaos

now we have thousands of competing gospel messages

There have always been thousands of competing gospel messages. The NT writers constantly warned against it, and dealt with it. And not all the different denominations have different gospel messages. They differ from one another in other ways.

 

[Eleanor]

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, James, Paul.... Catholics in the first century.

Were they Christian?

Christ has only one church, the body of Christ, the born again of all the world.

 

[Arch Stanton]

There have always been thousands of competing gospel messages.

and only one true source of truth.... Christ gave you His Church and you continue to deny it.

The NT writers constantly warned against it, and dealt with it. And not all the different denominations have different gospel messages. They differ from one another in other ways.

Who is the arbiter of the essentials in scripture? Which ecclesial community has the authority?

 

[Arch Stanton]

Were they Christian?

Catholic/Nazarene/The Way/Christian

Christ has only one church, the body of Christ, the born again of all the world.

One head; One body; One faith.... your ecclesial community is over one thousand five hundred years late

 

[Arch Stanton]

This makes no sense.
For centuries, the RCs kept the scriptures from its members. Why?

You ask a question and then 'not like'..... wow

 

[Eleanor]

and only one true source of truth....

Which is the God-breathed Scriptures (2 Tim 3:16).

Christ gave you His Church and you continue to deny it.

Who is the arbiter of the essentials in scripture? Which ecclesial community has the authority?

The Scriptures themselves, understood in the light of themselves.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Which is the God-breathed Scriptures (2 Tim 3:16).

His Church... the pillar of truth; wisdom of God made known through her

 

[Alive]

You ask a question and then 'not like'..... wow

It’s obvious you don’t want to answer the question asked. Fine.

 

[Arch Stanton]

It’s obvious you don’t want to answer the question asked. Fine.

I did.... I asked if you were referring to the chains on the bible at Mass. You seem to get all riled up with answers you aren't prepared for

 

[Alive]

I did.... I asked if you were referring to the chains on the bible at Mass. You seem to get all riled up with answers you aren't prepared for

You know what I meant.

 

[Arch Stanton]

You know what I meant.

go for it... what do you mean? and make sure you can back up your claim

 

[Eleanor]

His Church... the pillar of truth; wisdom of God made known through her

Mine was not a question. . .it is a statement.

The church, body of Christ, is not Scripture. It is people. Scripture is writing.

 

[Arch Stanton]

The church, body of Christ, is not Scripture. It is people. Scripture is writing.

one body.... one faith

come home

 

[Eleanor]

one body.... one faith

come home

Faith in the (blood, Ro 3:25) atoning work and person of Jesus Christ. . .presented in the Scriptures and mediated by the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures.

I am so home. . .

 

[Arial]

and only one true source of truth.... Christ gave you His Church and you continue to deny it.

That is not what I deny. I deny what you mean by that. You have shown no evidence that your interpretation is true. Maybe if you were able to do that, I could be persuaded. In the meantime I will trust what God says in His word, and let that be my authority. God is the only one who can self proclaim authority of what is true and what is not. He is the source of all that is, including His word. That makes His word authoritative. The Pope? He is just a man and done that proclaims his voice to be the voice of God. Even calls himself Holy Father and is venerated as Holy Father by millions. I find that in direct opposition to His word. I will keep the rest of what I think about it to myself.

Who is the arbiter of the essentials in scripture? Which ecclesial community has the authority?

None. If you did not leave the monergistic God out of the equation altogether, you would not be so afraid of independent thought, and perhaps learn the joys of thinking for yourself. Even find the treasures of the Bible and a personal relationship, with Him instead of with the monstrocity of the RCC and all their pomp and circunstance, and worship of men.

 

[Arial]

so much for 'whatever you bind....'

When are you going to start making sense?

 

[Eleanor]

so much for 'whatever you bind....'

What is bound (to condemnation) is bound by unbelief of the gospel, and
what is loosed (from condemnation) is loosed by belief in the gospel (Jn 3:18),
both declared by those who speak the gospel.