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Question for Arminians and Calvinists on foreknowledge

You have been birthed in the Spirit, have you not?

Then I’m surprised you aren’t understanding what I’m saying?
Ritajanice, many of us here believe the Bible is the Record of the Holy Spirit's Teachings. What they want to hear you say is, everything the Holy Spirit teaches you is according to THIS Word; matching the Teaching of the Bible. Matching Fundamental Orthodoxy that's true for every Born Again Christian...

Sure; some beliefs can vary from Christian to Christian; but Orthodoxy can't. If a spirit tells you something other than the Apparent-to-All Christian, you are being taught by another spirit; one that has been Accursed by the Holy Spirit...
 
Ritajanice, many of us here believe the Bible is the Record of the Holy Spirit's Teachings. What they want to hear you say is, everything the Holy Spirit teaches you is according to THIS Word; matching the Teaching of the Bible. Matching Fundamental Orthodoxy that's true for every Born Again Christian...

Sure; some beliefs can vary from Christian to Christian; but Orthodoxy can't. If a spirit tells you something other than the Apparent-to-All Christian, you are being taught by another spirit; one that has been Accursed by the Holy Spirit...
Not sure what you are saying here.

The Bible is the “ LIVING “ word of God....how would one know that?

A Born Again can only be taught by the Living word of God....
 
Not sure what you are saying here.

The Bible is the “ LIVING “ word of God....how would one know that?

A Born Again can only be taught by the Living word of God....
That is a thing of God that's Spiritually Discerned. The Grace of the Spirit HAS to be the First Factor when it comes to Knowing the Bible is the Word of God. After Grace? We are taught by the Spirit the things of the Bible. The Holy Spirit wouldn't teach you anything that's not HIS Orthodoxy, something that doesn't match the Teaching of HIS Bible...

Another accursed spirit would teach against the Holy Spirit's Orthodoxy...
 
That is a thing of God that's Spiritually Discerned. The Grace of the Spirit HAS to be the First Factor when it comes to Knowing the Bible is the Word of God. After Grace? We are taught by the Spirit the things of the Bible. The Holy Spirit wouldn't teach you anything that's not HIS Orthodoxy, something that doesn't match the Teaching of HIS Bible...

Another accursed spirit would teach against the Holy Spirit's Orthodoxy...
A Born Again cannot be taught by another spirit, if they have been birthed in the Holy Spirit...impossible...I go by the Living word of God..which is the Holy Bible...
 
We are to test the spirits


A Born Again cannot be Accursed by the Holy Spirit....scripture please?
I didn't say that Ritajanice. Please listen to me...

If I taught you what I think I taught, I would qualify as an Accursed spirit, since I have a spirit; right?
 
I didn't say that Ritajanice. Please listen to me...

If I taught you what I think I taught, I would qualify as an Accursed spirit, since I have a spirit; right?
That doesn’t make sense to me...

If I taught you what I think I taught?...a Born Again cannot be taught by another spirit...
 
There is a simple text that sets it all in order sister, Isaiah 8:10.

If something does not match up to the word of God, then we cannot rely upon that at all.

Then we can go onto 2 Timothy 2:15, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, 2 Timothey 4:1-4 6 to see that all things are to be according to the God-breathed Scriptures. This is why we say and believe in "Sola Scriptura."

Now, it does become more complex than this simple treatment yet Scripture is always the final and only authority for faith in practice.

Here is a helpful article: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/understanding-sola-scriptura
Thank you Brother...Amen!
 
Wrong I developed my own Hypostatic Union many years ago through my personal studies. Its 100 % Biblical and Orthodox.
Why is it your own? Is it not orthodox?
Hypostatic Union
1. Jesus is a person. (1 Tim 2:5)
2. Jesus, the Person, has two natures- Divine and human (John 1:1, 14, 1 Timothy 3:16): Divine and human. This is the Hypostatic Union.( Col 2:9, Heb 1:3,2:16)
3. The Communicatio Idiomatum (Communication of the Properties) states that the attributes of His Divine nature and human nature are both ascribed to the one Person of Jesus. So Jesus can exhibit attributes of Divinity (Omnipresence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, . John 2:23, 3:13, 8:58, He was prayed to in Acts 7:59, John 14:13, He was is worshiped Matt 2:2:11, Rev 5:13-14) and at the same time exhibit attributes of His humanity( He was tempted, ate, prayed,wept, grew in wisdom and stature,was anointed,was baptized, the Father was greater, didn’t know the day or the hour of His Return, He cried My God my God why has Thou forsaken Me, He died etc.). The communicatio idiomatum does not mean that any part of the Divine nature was communicated to the human nature.
4. The Man(anthropos) Jesus is what we perceive (if we were there 2000 years ago in Israel) and through the Man we encounter the Divine nature (Jesus knowing all things, is on earth while in heaven, answers prayer, forgiving sins, etc.).
5. The Person of Jesus will always be both Divine and human. (John 1:1,14,20:28, 1 John 5:20, 1 Timothy 2:5) Those who deny this fact are the spirit of antichrist. (1 John 4:1-4,2 John 7)
So, according to the above, the one person is both divine and human, not just divine.
6. The Divine Nature is within the Trinity.(Father, Son and Holy Spirit)
7. Since the Person of Jesus claims the attributes of Divinity(John 3:13,8:58,Matthew 9:2,12:8), then the Person of Jesus is a member of the Trinity.( John 14-16, Math 28:19)
Anything said of either of Christ's two natures applies to the one Person of Christ, so that is how it is said that Christ died on the cross. The term "hypostatic union" refers to the two natures united in the one Person, so anything said of those two natures in the one Person applies to the whole Person. So we see that the Person of Christ is ]both God and man.

The phrase hypostatic union was adopted by the general council at Chalcedon 451 AD. That council declared that the union of two natures is real (against Arius), not a mere indwelling of God in a man (against Nestorius), with a rational soul (against Apollinaris), and that in Christ’s Divine nature remains unchanged (against Eutyches).

We need to look to the Monothelite Controversy which had to deal with whether there was one or two wills/minds in the person of Christ. The outcome was that there were two; one human and one divine with the human subjected to the divine. The eternal Son of God did not assume a part of a human nature without a mind, without a will, without human activity, but He assumed all the things that were planted in our nature by God.

Now then, to act (or in this case, speak) is the work of a person, but the form or nature is the cause of this action; for each person acts in accord with the form or nature which it has. A difference in causes (natures) produces a difference in effects (actions). Therefore, where there are different natures, there are also different activities. So in the one Person of Christ there are two natural actions, the divine and the human, each of which has its own essential attributes, functions, and actions. Jesus was thirty years old according to His human nature (Luke 3:23); according to His divine nature He could say: "Before Abraham was born, I am" (John 8:58). The question is did both natures know this and communicate it to the Person. The answer is yes because the divine nature with its corresponding divine will willed the human nature to respond in such a fashion in keeping with Christ's office and ministry.

Chist is one person comprised of two natures and that these natures never co-mingle or mix. He most certainly acts as one person for as you and I said that what he is. But, some things according to one nature and others according to the other. Christ is fully aware of His deity just as He is His humanity. However, it has been taught that Christ does indeed have two distinct minds/will, one human and the other the divine will. The human will is at all times subjected to the divine will. At times the divine will remains quiescent so that Christ has a truly human development. "He grew in wisdom and stature ... " (Luke 2:52); "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father (Mark 13:32); "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done" (Luke 22:42). These passages should make it clear that Jesus' human mind/will is distinct from the divine will which He nonetheless possesses in His divine nature. If Christ, who indeed is both God and man in one person, has a conjoined or co-mingled divine-human will, then either His divine will was diminished at times or His human will augmented or both. Christ would have had to be lying when He says He does not know the day or the hour and can read the orthodox position witht the "Monothelite Controversy" which covered this aspect of the person of Christ.

To act is the work of a person but the nature of a person is the cause of the action; for each person acts in accord with the nature that it has. A difference in causes (natures) produces a difference in effects (actions). Therefore, where there are different natures; i.e., human and divine, there are also different activities. So in the one person of Christ there are two natural activities driven by two natural wills, the divine and human. We say that the human will wills whatever the divine will wills it to will. The Monothelite Controversy and the Sixth General council of which the summary definition was that "Two natural wills and two natural activities are shown in our one Lord Christ."

hope this helps !!!
 
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I hope you are happy to be here 😃
I Love it here....and I know I have much to learn....I believe God is growing me here through the Spirit....this is a MATURE forum....I must admit a lot of the time if I don’t understand, I usually stay out and just listen to what is being said.

I know Preacher4us from another forum...he helped me so much....now he’s admin here....makes me happy.
 
Actually, true believers can be led astray by false teachers and false teachings.

Galatians, 2 Corinthians, Acts 20:28ff teach and show this to be true. Nevertheless, though they may be led astray, they still stand firm in their faith, 2 Corinthians 1:24. Jesus, as He said, will lose none.
Yes!....I agree with that...🙏
 
Why is it your own? Is it not orthodox?

Hypostatic Union
1. Jesus is a person. (1 Tim 2:5)
2. Jesus, the Person, has two natures- Divine and human (John 1:1, 14, 1 Timothy 3:16): Divine and human. This is the Hypostatic Union.( Col 2:9, Heb 1:3,2:16)
3. The Communicatio Idiomatum (Communication of the Properties) states that the attributes of His Divine nature and human nature are both ascribed to the one Person of Jesus. So Jesus can exhibit attributes of Divinity (Omnipresence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, . John 2:23, 3:13, 8:58, He was prayed to in Acts 7:59, John 14:13, He was is worshiped Matt 2:2:11, Rev 5:13-14) and at the same time exhibit attributes of His humanity( He was tempted, ate, prayed,wept, grew in wisdom and stature,was anointed,was baptized, the Father was greater, didn’t know the day or the hour of His Return, He cried My God my God why has Thou forsaken Me, He died etc.). The communicatio idiomatum does not mean that any part of the Divine nature was communicated to the human nature.
4. The Man(anthropos) Jesus is what we perceive (if we were there 2000 years ago in Israel) and through the Man we encounter the Divine nature (Jesus knowing all things, is on earth while in heaven, answers prayer, forgiving sins, etc.).

So, according to the above, the one person is both divine and human, not just divine.


Point being what I believe about the Trinity and 2 natures of Christ is orthodox to the core.
 
You have been birthed in the Spirit, have you not?

Then I’m surprised you aren’t understanding what I’m saying?

How do we understand his “ LIVING “ word?

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come

Has God Through the Holy Spirit ever revealed his will to you, for a certain area of your life?

Maybe this is another topic..that we could discuss together..what say you?
I don't know what you are saying because you are using words that all Christians know but do not all look at the same way. Which is why I asked in "your experience" how does He do this. Me wanting to get at what it means to you. And you did not answer. You simply posed a series of other questions.

But sure. Another topic another thread. I will start one.
 
Point being what I believe about the Trinity and 2 natures of Christ is orthodox to the core.
That does not address yours following, and which I have presenting:
5. The Person of Jesus will always be both Divine and human. (John 1:1,14,20:28, 1 John 5:20, 1 Timothy 2:5)
Those who deny this fact are the spirit of antichrist. (1 John 4:1-4,2 John 7)
So, according to the above, the one person is both divine and human, not just divine,
and only the antichrist denies it
 
I can smell them a mile away...

This is a good reason to start a Sunday Seminary Class at Church; a 101 Class, and a 201 Class. The 101 Class can teach the Theology that's easy to understand and easy to agree with; and the 201 Class can introduce Theology that needs to be chewed on like Cud...
What do you think happened but that I caught the scent? :) Sometimes I try to expose it to cut to the chase. But in all honesty the first time I joined a Christian forum a few years ago, I was shocked that there were non-Christians posing as Christians on there. I had the thought "What has happened to Christ's visible church! It is in worse condition that I even knew."
 
I don't know what you are saying because you are using words that all Christians know but do not all look at the same way. Which is why I asked in "your experience" how does He do this. Me wanting to get at what it means to you. And you did not answer. You simply posed a series of other questions.

But sure. Another topic another thread. I will start one.
Ok, that would be great Arial...and yes, you are right...we don’t all look at those words the same way....
 
That does not address yours following.

5. The Person of Jesus will always be both Divine and human. (John 1:1,14,20:28, 1 John 5:20, 1 Timothy 2:5) Those who deny this fact are the spirit of antichrist. (1 John 4:1-4,2 John 7)

So, according to the above, the one person is both divine and human, not just divine.
I have never ever online in 20 years ever written it said anything to contradict the above .

You have several times in this thread alone by saying Jesus is a human person and a divine person that is Nestorian . And you have said nature is person as in a 1 to 1 ratio. That is also wrong as that is Arianism . That’s why they say God is one person and one nature . When God is 3 Persons and 1 Nature which is Divine.

I’ve debated Unitarians my entire Christian life for over 4 decades . I know how to defend the deity of Christ, His 2 natures, One Divine Person( not human person) and the Trinity against the cults . I can do it with it without the creeds using scripture alone.

hope this helps !!!
 
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