FOUNDING OF THE NEW COVENANT CHURCH: Acts 2:8-11

[Josheb]

3000 JEWS.

Acts 2 is the beginning of spiritual Israel. If 3000 is a median number, and Christ "added to His Church daily such as should be saved," (Acts 2:47) then by weeks end 21,000 Jews were born again. It's a Jewish covenant. Jesus is a Jewish Messiah and fulfillment of Jewish promises. For four decades until the destruction of the Jewish Temple at least 40 million Jews were born again. And this is throughout the Roman Empire and beyond its borders. Jews were everywhere and God got His message to all of them.

Verse 41, not verse 47. Verse 47 states what was added daily. Verse 41 states what was added that day.

This is another example of 1) a failure to read the chapter in its entirety and 2) a selective use of scripture. The facts of the entire chapter are "that day there were added about three thousand souls," AND "the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved." The number "3,000" is nowhere found in verse 47. Nowhere. The only place in the entire chapter that number is found is in verse41 and that verse explicitly states the 3000 were added.

Added to what?

The Church, of course.

Matthew 18:15-17
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

The Church existed back in Matthew 18, according to Jesus (and he should know). The disciples could not tell it to the Church if there was no Church. Jesus' Matthew 18 teaching would have been useless until Pentecost if the Church did not exist until Acts 2.

If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, wait until I build the Church and then tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.​

That is not what the scriptures state.

But until Jesus arrived the covenant is still with his seed even to this day.

No, it was established in Genesis 17.

Not according to chapter 15.

Genesis 15:18
On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates...

Once again: an abject failure to read all of scripture and repeated selective use of scripture.

Genesis 15 is a covenant God made with Himself................

The covenant made with Abram is a covenant with Himself. The two are not mutually exclusive conditions, and the fact is the text actually explicitly states "the LORD made a covenant with Abram." The covenant God made with Abram was that God Himself would walk through the suzerain ritual and pledge fealty to Himself. That is exactly what Jesus did - and even though he was ever-faithful to his Father he nonetheless took on the penalty due Abraham and his promised descendants.

If you can't see Abraham and his seed (descendants) then you can't see the one seed. And you don't.

Nice ad hominem. When scripture proves an op incorrect then call the one using scripture blind. Your post is reported for personal attack, violating rules 2, 6, and 7 of the tos. Please stick to the topic of the op and keep the posts about the posts, not the posters.
The Church was founded long before Acts 2. The righteous have always lived by faith, and the Church's original members simply did not find perfection outside of us.

Hebrews 11:39-40
And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.

All the ancient men and women of faith find completion with the saints and none of us are complete apart from Christ - to whom and with whom the promises of God were first made. Whole scripture.

The Church was not founded in Acts 2. Its construction may have been completed in Acts 2 but it was founded millennia before then, and God has been gracious enough to continue choosing, calling and adding new converts ever since.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

Nope. It's your Constantinian theology that is flawed.
Come out from among them and be ye separate.
But you won't. I can't help you. Nor will I pray for you. God has sent you and your Gentile fellowship a STRONG delusion.
When Christ returns, you'll understand.
And there will be gnashing of your teeth and serious regret.
Rots of ruck.

Great. You trash the forum rules as well by calling anyone who doesn't subscribe to your drivel as not a Christian. Don't worry, the mods have been informed of all your posts.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

How about you actually read the posts before posting again in this thread. Why? Because I quoted every single introduction of all the Pauline epistles, in chronological order, quoting exactly what is explicitly stated in every single one of them. The letters were written to the saints, both Jewish and Gentile converts to and bondservants in Christ.

It is self-event you do. Not a single epistle mentions "Jew," "Jews," or "Jewish converts" in any of their introductions.

I quoted the verse for all to see and objectively verify what I posted.

I understand you believe the apostles wrote their letters in Aramaic but there is no proof of that. At best Matthew alone was written in Aramaic and Matthew and possibly an Aramaic source may have been used in the transcriptions of the gospels. Acts 2:47 was not cited and Exodus 12 says nothing about the Genesis.

This is now the third and fourth posts in which irrelevancies have been posted in this thread. First straw men and ad hominem, then requests already for content already posted, claims made about scripture that are completely unfounded and contrary to what is plainly stated in the intros of the epistles, and non sequiturs.

Everybody is wrong and you're right.

Always falsehoods. Always holier than thou. It pains you deeply to come across someone who won't let you get away with it, huh?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Great. You trash the forum rules as well by calling anyone who doesn't subscribe to your drivel as not a Christian. Don't worry, the mods have been informed of all your posts.

I am giving you the definition. If the shoe fits...

 

[jeremiah1five]

Always falsehoods. Always holier than thou. It pains you deeply to come across someone who won't let you get away with it, huh?

If your eyes are closed, I can do nada about it. God controls that and if He wants your eyes and mind closed it may have been that way early on. He gives people time to repent and when they don't, He gives them a push (hands them over) to their error.
I just find you don't know what I know. That's all. But if this were to come to you in a classroom with a known teacher I'm sure you'd accept it.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

If your eyes are closed, I can do nada about it. God controls that and if He wants your eyes and mind closed it may have been that way early on. He gives people time to repent and when they don't, He gives them a push (hands them over) to their error.
I just find you don't know what I know. That's all. But if this were to come to you in a classroom with a known teacher I'm sure you'd accept it.

Take your own advice.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Take your own advice.

I take the Word of God. I AM a BIBLICAL Christian that has NOT rejected its Hebrew roots assigned by God to this covenant people.
On the other hand (and it's always the other hand that defeats us) the Constantinian Gentile church has dissolved any connection to God's covenant and His covenant people for Salvation is OF THE JEWS.
Come out from among them, Eclipse.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

I take the Word of God. I AM a BIBLICAL Christian that has NOT rejected its Hebrew roots assigned by God to this covenant people.
On the other hand (and it's always the other hand that defeats us) the Constantinian Gentile church has dissolved any connection to God's covenant and His covenant people for Salvation is OF THE JEWS.
Come out from among them, Eclipse.

blah, blah, blah. Same old, same old from you. Talk to some who actually cares what you shovel.

 

[jeremiah1five]

blah, blah, blah. Same old, same old from you. Talk to some who actually cares what you shovel.

Is Salvation OF THE JEWS?

 

[Josheb]

Is Salvation OF THE JEWS?

Ignore him and the trolling, jer.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

Ignore him and the trolling, jer.

Likewise to you. You have disqualified yourself LONG ago.

 

[jeremiah1five]

A covenant with only one family, a family known as Hebrews.

9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deut. 7:8–9.

A "thousand generations" implies an eternal covenant God made with Abram the Hebrew (descendant of Eber) and with his seed of a "thousand generations of Hebrews. Notice that there are no Gentiles, or non-Hebrews in the Abrahamic Covenant as also the Mosaic and New covenants. God is saving Abraham and his family line only and the only way to be saved is to be the seed of Abraham. This helps explain Jesus' words that salvation is of the Jews (Hebrews.)