No Deal with the Devil: Christ's Ransom and the Justice of God

[Hazelelponi]

I’m interested in the fact that you’re a Calvinist Baptist. Those are your thoughts on John Calvin, what are your thoughts on his contemporaries, Thomas Hobbes and Martin Luther?

Especially Thomas Hobbes, since besides writing Behemoth and Leviathan, he invented the Thompson Gun, and inspired the mighty Who’s two volume English rock opera “Tommy”, which some longhaired hippy type pinkos in London apparently think is as good as Johnny Cash’s electric two volume folio “The Gospel”?

Johnny Cash was an American Baptist.

You might like to read the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith and compare it to the WCF ...

It's an enjoyable task to find out the difference.

https://www.the1689confession.com/
https://prts.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Westminster_Confession.pdf

 

[brightfame52]

The true nature of our bondage.

We are in bondage to sin and death—sin as a result of the old nature in Adam, and death as the consequence of sin. We are only secondarily in bondage to Satan and only as a result of our sin;

So is unbelief part of the old nature in Adam and in bondage to Satan ?

 

[EarlyActs]

So is unbelief part of the old nature in Adam and in bondage to Satan ?

I would say so.

 

[brightfame52]

I would say so.

I will say so too. So does Christ ransom from unbelief?

 

[EarlyActs]

I will say so too. So does Christ ransom from unbelief?

It is a financial exchange in the ordinary sense, so you have to find things that would qualify on their end as ransom holders. I don't think the abstract term 'unbelief' does that. John explained that God's justice demands a 'payment'. Normally a ransom holder is a person.

You could qualify it and say Christ ransoms from the debt of unbelief, a debt concept that was created by the righteousness of God. (Many passages about righteousness or justification refer to the barrier as being a debt).

 

[brightfame52]

It is a financial exchange in the ordinary sense, so you have to find things that would qualify on their end as ransom holders. I don't think the abstract term 'unbelief' does that. John explained that God's justice demands a 'payment'. Normally a ransom holder is a person.

You could qualify it and say Christ ransoms from the debt of unbelief, a debt concept that was created by the righteousness of God. (Many passages about righteousness or justification refer to the barrier as being a debt).

Yes Christ redeemed the elect from all iniquity Titus 2:14 which includes unbelief