I know. But your doctrines are all out of context with Je
All your doctrines are according to triune god worshipers.
Mystery of the most holy trinity!
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All your doctrines are according to triune god worshipers.
I won't take your manipulative tactics.
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What they don't seem to understand (or accept rather) is that the Father is the only true God. John 17:3
They read that, but can't accept it because it rules Jesus out as being God. Through the centuries, they have come up with all sorts of fancy creeds and doctrines to try to circumnavigate this. For example, OP likes to quote the Athanasian Creed because it enables him to keep the idol he prefers. If you will read what this creed says, it converts God into a substance or essence that inhabits three beings known as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Trinitarianism actually says that neither Father, Son, or Holy Spirit are God, but actually God is the substance or essence that inhabits them. Therefore, none of them are God but the substance or essence is God; that's Unitarianism and they don't even know it. Trinitarianism contradicts itself.
They convert God into a substance because a substance can be evenly distributed among containers, but a person can't. That's why they cannot accept the Father is the only true God and a person. It actually goes much deeper than this, too. If being Christlike is some unstainable, far out of reach, goal then they have the excuse they need to live in sin. This only works if Jesus is God because it follows that people cannot reach God status. As a result, there are numerous other heresies that have spawned off of this such as the license to sin and once saved always saved.
excellent analysis.
You don’t receive the blessing or make the sign of the cross? Matt 24:30
In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit! Amen!
Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen!
Or sing Christmas carols
Oh come let us adore Him, Christ the Lord! Matt 2:11
Christ is Lord!
Lk 2: 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Deut. 6:4 one Lord, the God of our fathers.
His angels? God has angels psalm 46:11
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Is that what scripture says?
Even a believer is not a Christian, but only a catechumen.
Baptism in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is the invitation into the new covenant!
Thanks
I did not present an interpretation only a quote
Where does scripture require context?
What’s the context of Jesus if “the way”?
If a verse ain’t context how can two words be a context?
There are only two words in all scripture that says Jesus is “the way”!
The Bible says
2 Timothy 2:15
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Rightly dividing, meaning contextually read.
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Are you ever going to answer directly if you believe the one God is the Father?
Ephesians 4
6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Yes one God, and father of all
One God, and savior of all (Jesus Christ)
One God the spirit
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Quite the opposite. The Trinity doctrine is a progressive revelation, which is revealed to the elect because of Jesus prayer. For instance, in Matthew 16:15, Jesus asked his disciples, "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Peter's answer is quite simple in verse 16 Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God". Peter identified Jesus as the Messiah who is the Living God the Son. And Jesus himself said: John 13:19, "I am who I am" has a two-fold understanding. This phrase not only declares that Jesus is the Messiah, but also indirectly referring to God’s self identification as “I AM” in Exodus. 3:14, or to God’s repeated claim that “I am he” in Isaiah 43:10, 13, 25 and Jesus Christ's repeated claim in John 8:24, 28, 58]. As a Trinitarian, and for others too, we believe there is only one true God, that the Father is the true God and also Jesus Christ too. This is the testimony of John:
Jesus is praying to the Father for the elect,
John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Father -
a). the elect may know that the Father is the true God
b). and the Father sent Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ -
a). the elect my know that Jesus Christ is the true God
b). and Jesus Christ is sent from the Father.
Jesus prayer was answered,
1 John 5:20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him (the Father) who is true. And we are in him (the Father) who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Jesus Christ is the immediate antecedent of the pronoun "this" - οὗτος, "he," the last person mentioned according to the grammar construction. Even Paul said in his letters:
Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
Titus 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
If you notice in the next verse 14,who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
In verse 14 "who gave himself" the who is alluding back to verse 13 and is identified as "God and Savior, Jesus Christ" a clear reference to God incarnate. God in the flesh has accomplished the purpose of salvation as our SAVIOR. Even Peter literally identified Jesus Christ is God:
2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
Its straightforward that Jesus Christ is both "God and Savior". The verse is not dividing "God and Savior" into two different subject-persons. The same sentence structure occurs again in the same letter:
2 Peter 1:11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our LORD and Savior Jesus Chris and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
2 Peter 3:18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our LORD and Savior Jesus Chris and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
2 Peter 3:18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
In each verse above has the phrase "LORD and Savior," which is not two subject-persons. The grammar sentence structure "LORD and Savior" is exactly the same as "God and Savior". Jesus Christ is identified as both God and Savior, and also, both Lord and Savior.
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Good Job
You must also believe this!
Decree of the apostolic Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.
If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.
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Correct.
The Bible doesn't say this. Just stick with Sola Scriptura.
God is indeed Spirit, but you are probably misunderstanding "Holy Spirit" as being a third person who is also God. God is Holy and Spirit, that's just a different name for the Father, but sometimes the Holy Spirit is an anointing.
What is your personal understanding of the context?
Its like when the Father worked in the Son of man Jesus, Jesus prophesied he said to our brother in the Lord Peter . . .who do you think I am? and a confession of the new faith that worked in Peter Not what do others say. And then the Holy Father gave Peter his understanding of faith. Then Peter seduced by the devil rebuked the Holy Father and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the Holy Father .
Peter thought it was all about Peters dying flesh and blood. He learned it is the gospel key that the gates of hell could never prevail against. Not his own dying flesh.
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Thank you.
I'm more of a Chalcedonian Christology, and quite big when it comes to Cyril.
Anyways, originally the phrase "Mother of God" or "Theotokos" (God bearer) wasn't in the same sense that Catholicism teaches it. Because Mary was not viewed in the eternal sense, in the same way, God the Son is Eternally Begotten from the Eternal Father. She is blessed by not being a goddest, but a mere human being who simply is a vessel or God bearer and was predestined to become the dwelling place of the Holy One, God the Word who united with the flesh. She was given this title "Mother of God" to emphasize the Divine Person and his birth containing Divine characteristics being ascribed. Because in her blessed womb she is carrying the blessed "Holy One" the second Person in the Trinity who has both God and Man to be born according to manhood, but truly "God with us" since she is the one who given birth to God.
Logically, the root basis of his person seems to follow the structural pattern in the Gospels about his birth:
a). Holy One
b). Son of God
c). Emmanuel (God is with us)
d). Christ and Lord - at his birth
e). Jesus (Yah's Salvation)
f). No human father
g). Worshipped at his birth.
No where do we even read in Scriptures of his humanity being emphasized, like "man" or "Son of man" etc. in relation to his birth. This is one reason why we call Mary the Mother of God because his birth carries the attributes of Divine characteristics. The Divine Nature did NOT assume a human person, but the Divine Person (second Person in the Trinity, God the Son, the Word) assumed a human nature without a human person. The Son-Person is already God according to the Divine Nature and Man upon the assumption according to the Human Nature. While the Divine Nature is automatically present in the joint union by the conjunction in the Son-Person who is "both God and Man". Since the Divine Nature is underived and cannot be begotten, eternally or through physical birth.
