Major Differences Between Old and New Testament

[Red Baker]

Incorrect. The gospel means "good news". What is the good news? That the Messiah Jesus had paid for the sins of those who trust in Him. The Old Testament lays the foundation to explain that. But it is NOT the gospel. { edit}

Why are you saying that this is incorrect? The truth of the gospel's foundation is laid in the OT scriptures, and not in just a few places, but many. The gospel was first preached to Adam and Eve, and from them it is seen over and over in the OT scriptures. The OT scriptures are more Soteriology than Eschatology~for without the doctrine of Salvation there is no Eschatology, or any other theology. Genesis 3:15 sits at the pinnacle of all scriptures.

The scriptures mainly reveal the everlasting covenant, beginning in Genesis through different covenants made with men from Adam to Noah, to Abraham, to David to Christ.

The covenant of work to our father Adam, which covenant he was unable to keep, and as soon as God left him to himself he sinned~Proving that flesh and blood was unable to keep the word of God, even for a second! From Adam to Abraham, God begin to slowly reveal his eternal purposes of grace to his chosen people through the seed of the woman.

The everlasting covenant, or the covenant of grace, was based upon a better covenant than that one made with Adam, even in his unright condition in which he was created in. In the covenant of grace, God provided a surety for his elect, in the person of Jesus Christ, and all of the covenant of grace is based upon two immutable acts of God~his oath and his promises. Adam had neither given to him at creation! In Christ we live under a better covenant, not even worthy to be compared with a covenant of works, which covenant Adam prove that flesh and blood was unable to keep, even in an upright condition without even having a sinful flesh to deal with.

Early on in the Old Testament, we see the covenant of grace in operation in Abraham's two sons, which we want to come back and address in depth.

 

[Josheb]

nt

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

Why are you saying that this is incorrect? The truth of the gospel's foundation is laid in the OT scriptures, and not in just a few places, but many. The gospel was first preached to Adam and Eve, and from them it is seen over and over in the OT scriptures. The OT scriptures are more Soteriology than Eschatology~for without the doctrine of Salvation there is no Eschatology, or any other theology. Genesis 3:15 sits at the pinnacle of all scriptures.

The scriptures mainly reveal the everlasting covenant, beginning in Genesis through different covenants made with men from Adam to Noah, to Abraham, to David to Christ.

The covenant of work to our father Adam, which covenant he was unable to keep, and as soon as God left him to himself he sinned~Proving that flesh and blood was unable to keep the word of God, even for a second! From Adam to Abraham, God begin to slowly reveal his eternal purposes of grace to his chosen people through the seed of the woman.

The everlasting covenant, or the covenant of grace, was based upon a better covenant than that one made with Adam, even in his unright condition in which he was created in. In the covenant of grace, God provided a surety for his elect, in the person of Jesus Christ, and all of the covenant of grace is based upon two immutable acts of God~his oath and his promises. Adam had neither given to him at creation! In Christ we live under a better covenant, not even worthy to be compared with a covenant of works, which covenant Adam prove that flesh and blood was unable to keep, even in an upright condition without even having a sinful flesh to deal with.

Early on in the Old Testament, we see the covenant of grace in operation in Abraham's two sons, which we want to come back and address in depth.

As I pointed out before, God Himself prophesied the new covenant was coming. It had not come yet in the Old Testament. What was secret and hinted at for several thousand years, was finally revealed at the exact mid point of human history and took place on April 25, 31 AD.

And I will give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations, Is 42:6

Behold, the former things have come to pass; Now I declare new things; Before they spring forth I cause you to hear them.” Is 42:9

 

[prism]

That view has God returning to the shadows of the OT for a literal thousand years, while Christ rules and reigns on earth. Does that seem right to you?

It also acknowledges that God has had a preserving hand on the Jews scattering them for nearly 2000 years, preserving them as a people, bringing them back to their land and continue to preserve them (Deut 28). .So yes, I believe Christ will continue to fulfill what He said in the First Testament concerning His coming and reigning on earth.

 

[Alive]

nt

What does this mean? Ya got me.

 

[Josheb]

It also acknowledges that God has had a preserving hand on the Jews scattering them for nearly 2000 years, preserving them as a people, bringing them back to their land and continue to preserve them (Deut 28). .So yes, I believe Christ will continue to fulfill what He said in the First Testament concerning His coming and reigning on earth.

None of which has happened. Dispensationalists abuse scripture to say that is what has happened, but none of modern-day condition meets the criteria of scripture when examined in its entirety. First of all, the original promises were made to the sons of Israel, NOT a geo-political nation-state Israel. Look it up Israel is not called a nation in the geo-political sense until well after they'd entered and possessed the promised land which they never fully inhabited or controlled. To this day they possess only a sliver of what God gifted the descendants of Abraham, the sons of Israel. Modern day Israel is not a theocracy, it's not a monarchy, it does not practice the Law, it doesn't own its land, and it has no covenant relationship with God. The entire nation stands as an unlabeled act of disobedience, not a fulfillment of promise!

Dispensationalists twist and pervert the OT, ignoring the NT, to make claims about the nation-state Israel that are scripturally unfounded.

The promises are two-fold: everlasting blessing or everlasting destruction. Go back to the chapter you cited, Deuteronomy 28, and count the number of times God promised to destroy them. That promise is just as everlasting as the promises of blessing. Dispensationalism ignores the latter and selectively overemphasizes the former.

Galatians 6:7-10
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.

Bloodline, genetics, and geo-political-nation-state status have absolutely nothing to do with God's covenant people. Dispensationalism has always had it wrong.

 

[Josheb]

What does this mean? Ya got me.

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I stated to note the ad hominem but saw the admonition and decided to erase my comment. Sometimes the forum (or my browser) preserves the never-posted so when I go to reply to some other poster's contribution the unused text appears anyway. It's best to type something rather than nothing. Clicking "Post reply" wipes the cache clean. "nt" is useful if I manage to go back to a post within the allotted edit period and decide to delete the post fr any other reason. This forum doesn't have a self-deleting option so "nt" serves that purpose.

 

[Arial]

It also acknowledges that God has had a preserving hand on the Jews scattering them for nearly 2000 years, preserving them as a people, bringing them back to their land and continue to preserve them (Deut 28). .So yes, I believe Christ will continue to fulfill what He said in the First Testament concerning His coming and reigning on earth.

He already has. He is reigning over the earth from heaven and when He returns the dead in life will be raised incorruptible and those who are alive will all be changed. There is no room for a thousand year interval, which would also be temporal and and contain sinners, which is not in accordance with the word of God. I will bring up the scriptures if you like but right now I don't have time.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

No Text.

I stated to note the ad hominem but saw the admonition and decided to erase my comment. Sometimes the forum (or my browser) preserves the never-posted so when I go to reply to some other poster's contribution the unused text appears anyway. It's best to type something rather than nothing. Clicking "Post reply" wipes the cache clean. "nt" is useful if I manage to go back to a post within the allotted edit period and decide to delete the post fr any other reason. This forum doesn't have a self-deleting option so "nt" serves that purpose.

Yes, please do not post your ad hominems and false statements. They aren't appreciated

 

[prism]

None of which has happened. Dispensationalists abuse scripture to say that is what has happened, but none of modern-day condition meets the criteria of scripture when examined in its entirety. First of all, the original promises were made to the sons of Israel, NOT a geo-political nation-state Israel. Look it up Israel is not called a nation in the geo-political sense until well after they'd entered and possessed the promised land which they never fully inhabited or controlled. To this day they possess only a sliver of what God gifted the descendants of Abraham, the sons of Israel. Modern day Israel is not a theocracy, it's not a monarchy, it does not practice the Law, it doesn't own its land, and it has no covenant relationship with God. The entire nation stands as an unlabeled act of disobedience, not a fulfillment of promise!

Dispensationalists twist and pervert the OT, ignoring the NT, to make claims about the nation-state Israel that are scripturally unfounded.

The promises are two-fold: everlasting blessing or everlasting destruction. Go back to the chapter you cited, Deuteronomy 28, and count the number of times God promised to destroy them. That promise is just as everlasting as the promises of blessing. Dispensationalism ignores the latter and selectively overemphasizes the former.

Galatians 6:7-10
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.

Bloodline, genetics, and geo-political-nation-state status have absolutely nothing to do with God's covenant people. Dispensationalism has always had it wrong.

I've heard all those arguments before, ad hominems included.

 

[prism]

He already has. He is reigning over the earth from heaven and when He returns the dead in life will be raised incorruptible and those who are alive will all be changed. There is no room for a thousand year interval, which would also be temporal and and contain sinners, which is not in accordance with the word of God. I will bring up the scriptures if you like but right now I don't have time.

You can bring them up if you'd like. I'll take a look at them.

 

[Arial]

You can bring them up if you'd like. I'll take a look at them.

To clarify what I am bringing up, I will quote the post this is responding to.

He already has. He is reigning over the earth from heaven and when He returns the dead in life will be raised incorruptible and those who are alive will all be changed. There is no room for a thousand year interval, which would also be temporal and and contain sinners, which is not in accordance with the word of God. I will bring up the scriptures if you like but right now I don't have time.

Christ is ruling now from where He is---heaven. The same place the the resurrected martyrs are who reign with Him for a thousand years. (Rev 20:4; 1Co 15:23-26)

When He returns what happens?

1 Thess 4:13-18; 1 Cor 15:51-56
The believing dead are raised and glorified. The unbelieving are judged, Satan is destroyed.

If a literal thousand years follows this then we have the devil destroyed and then released. We have the unjudged and and the glorified living alongside each other in temporal conditions, all while Jesus is sitting on the throne, and in dispensationalism, we have a return to the shadows of the OT while the True is seated on David's throne, and the animal sacrifices are renewed. (Rev 19 and 20.)

 

[Josheb]

I've heard all those arguments before, ad hominems included.

Don't tell me; tell the guy posting ad hominem and other fallacy.

 

[prism]

To clarify what I am bringing up, I will quote the post this is responding to.

Christ is ruling now from where He is---heaven. The same place the the resurrected martyrs are who reign with Him for a thousand years. (Rev 20:4; 1Co 15:23-26)

When He returns what happens?

1 Thess 4:13-18; 1 Cor 15:51-56
The believing dead are raised and glorified. The unbelieving are judged, Satan is destroyed.

If a literal thousand years follows this then we have the devil destroyed and then released. We have the unjudged and and the glorified living alongside each other in temporal conditions, all while Jesus is sitting on the throne, and in dispensationalism, we have a return to the shadows of the OT while the True is seated on David's throne, and the animal sacrifices are renewed. (Rev 19 and 20.)

The quote:
"He already has. He is reigning over the earth from heaven and when He returns the dead in life will be raised incorruptible and those who are alive will all be changed. There is no room for a thousand year interval, which would also be temporal and and contain sinners, which is not in accordance with the word of God. I will bring up the scriptures if you like but right now I don't have time."

Can be addressed with...
(2Pe 3:7) But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

In both cases we have a truncated series of events passing over many details.

If a literal thousand years follows this then we have the devil destroyed and then released. We have the unjudged and and the glorified living alongside each other in temporal conditions, all while Jesus is sitting on the throne, and in dispensationalism, we have a return to the shadows of the OT while the True is seated on David's throne, and the animal sacrifices are renewed. (Rev 19 and 20.)

I take the event that the devil is chained and released as literally true, mainly because Scripture says so.
As far as unjudged, isn't that what Mt 25:31-46 is about? But I agree a mixed multitude is a weakness of the Dispys.
I just don't get the charge of 'a return to the shadows of the OT', or the 'renewal of animal sacrifices'. Maybe there's something I'm not seeing here?

 

[Arial]

I take the event that the devil is chained and released as literally true, mainly because Scripture says so.

Well, and I am smiling here. Do your take it as literal or do you take it literalistically.
The first, I agree and take it as Satan is restrained in what he can do. It specifically says "so that he could not deceive the nations" and for a thousand years. If the thousand years represents a long period of time between the two advents---this age as both Jesus and Paul call it---- then that would be the gospel going to all nations. At the end of this age, the restraints are lifted and the persecution of the church and Christianity increases, and may be world wide all at the same time.

But no, Satan is not literally bound in chains. Neither is he completely bound as Scripture and real life show he is very active in the world. He prowls around looking for who he can devour.

I just don't get the charge of 'a return to the shadows of the OT, or the renewal of animal sacrifices. Maybe there's something I'm not seeing here?

I don't know what form of dispensationalism you follow. But the one that MacArthur believes, has a return to the sacrificial priestly form of worship that were the shadow of Christ in the OT. I presume all the law stipulations and requirements would also be reinstated.

 

[Eleanor]

Well, and I am smiling here. Do your take it as literal or do you take it literalistically.
The first, I agree and take it as Satan is restrained in what he can do. It specifically says "so that he could not deceive the nations" and for a thousand years. If the thousand years represents a long period of time between the two advents---this age as both Jesus and Paul call it---- then that would be the gospel going to all nations. At the end of this age, the restraints are lifted and the persecution of the church and Christianity increases, and may be world wide all at the same time.

But no, Satan is not literally bound in chains. Neither is he completely bound as Scripture and real life show he is very active in the world. He prowls around looking for who he can devour.

I don't know what form of dispensationalism you follow. But the one that MacArthur believes, has a return to the sacrificial priestly form of worship that were the shadow of Christ in the OT. I presume all the law stipulations and requirements would also be reinstated.

That is so hard to believe because he is so solid on apostolic teaching.

 

[prism]

I don't know what form of dispensationalism you follow. But the one that MacArthur believes, has a return to the sacrificial priestly form of worship that were the shadow of Christ in the OT. I presume all the law stipulations and requirements would also be reinstated.

Could you give me a source where he claims such?

 

[Alive]

Could you give me a source where he claims such?

I have never heard a dispy that did not see another temple and instituting sacrifices.
Isn’t that a core of the system?

 

[Arial]

Could you give me a source where he claims such?

I have his study bible and one of his text notes said as much. From Ez I think. I have read him saying it in one of his books but I no longer know which one. You could google it. I promise I am not making it up. And I have conversed with many dispensationalist of forums that all say the same thing. The temple is restored and the OT sacrificial system of worship resumes.

 

[Eleanor]

I have his study bible and one of his text notes said as much. From Ez I think. I have read him saying it in one of his books but I no longer know which one. You could google it. I promise I am not making it up. And I have conversed with many dispensationalist of forums that all say the same thing. The temple is restored and the OT sacrificial system of worship resumes.

I have likewise heard this bizarre statement, which is totally contrary to apostolic teaching.