Major Differences Between Old and New Testament

[Arial]

That is so hard to believe because he is so solid on apostolic teaching.

I know. But once they get that divide between Israel and Gentile, and the land as the geo/political ethnic people of God, set in their mind they won't even consider any other possibility. They can't read the prophecies any other way,no matter how many other scriptures are violated in the process.They actually don't see Christ as obtaining victory over sin and death on the cross. They don't see Him as being the fulfillment of all the promises given in the OT. They don't see Him as King now. They don't see that first is the natural and then the spiritual. And in all their attempt to not "spiritualize" the Bible, they forget early in the covenant relationship with Israel, God told us that the things on earth concerning the tabernacle and worship are copies of things in heaven.

They have lost sight of the goal and purpose of redemption and cannot see the big picture. That is my opinion on the matter!

 

[Eleanor]

I know. But once they get that divide between Israel and Gentile, and the land as the geo/political ethnic people of God, set in their mind they won't even consider any other possibility. They can't read the prophecies any other way,no matter how many other scriptures are violated in the process.They actually don't see Christ as obtaining victory over sin and death on the cross. They don't see Him as being the fulfillment of all the promises given in the OT. They don't see Him as King now. They don't see that first is the natural and then the spiritual. And in all their attempt to not "spiritualize" the Bible, they forget early in the covenant relationship with Israel, God told us that the things on earth concerning the tabernacle and worship are copies of things in heaven.

They have lost sight of the goal and purpose of redemption and cannot see the big picture. That is my opinion on the matter!

Agreed. . .they take it to the point of denying the gospel and the one body of Christ, and in particular diminish Christ in the process.

 

[Arial]

I have likewise heard this bizarre statement, which is totally contrary to apostolic teaching.

MacArthur's study Bble was one of the first I bought when I began moving into Reformed theology. At the time I knew nothing of the names or eschatological doctrines in dispensationalism or covenant theology. Although I agreed with the only thing I had been taught. Pre-trib rapture premillennialism. When I read his notes on Ez about the restored animal sacrifices I nearly through the Bible across the room so disturbed was I. (I could not bear that. It would not be heaven to me.) That is when I began to think----something is wrong here---and began the search to find it. Next thing I knew the mention of covenant theology came across my path. Coincidence? I think not.

And I discovered there are Calvinists who are dispensational, and there are Reformed Calvinists who are covenantal, and is the same as Reformed theology.

 

[Arial]

Agreed. . .they take it to the point of denying the gospel and the one body of Christ, and in particular diminish Christ in the process.

Amen to that.

 

[Alive]

Basically, Dispensationalism is popular because it’s exciting for folks to look at the headlines and say…” here we go, it’s proof of scripture”.
A whole lot of folks read the books since the 70’s and accept the construct. Those books are exciting fiction extending from Darby’s imaginings.
IMO, the sad thing is, at a variable level, not seeing Christ’s fullfillment of it all.
Again, IMO, it’s just mind boggling.
That, in the system, while Christ is present, animal sacrificing would continue.
I stand boggled.

 

[prism]

I have his study bible and one of his text notes said as much. From Ez I think. I have read him saying it in one of his books but I no longer know which one. You could google it. I promise I am not making it up. And I have conversed with many dispensationalist of forums that all say the same thing. The temple is restored and the OT sacrificial system of worship resumes.

I think they would consider that as the 3rd temple, aka the temple the antichrist enters and proclaims himself as god.i

2 Thessalonians 2:4 NKJV
who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

 

[prism]

Basically, Dispensationalism is popular because it’s exciting for folks to look at the headlines and say…” here we go, it’s proof of scripture”.
A whole lot of folks read the books since the 70’s and accept the construct. Those books are exciting fiction extending from Darby’s imaginings.
IMO, the sad thing is, at a variable level, not seeing Christ’s fullfillment of it all.
Again, IMO, it’s just mind boggling.
That, in the system, while Christ is present, animal sacrificing would continue.
I stand boggled.

True, but I don't read that of Chafer, Walvoord or Pentecost doing that sort of thing. It seems more like the Hal Lindsay-La Haye crowd.$$$

 

[prism]

I know. But once they get that divide between Israel and Gentile, and the land as the geo/political ethnic people of God, set in their mind they won't even consider any other possibility. They can't read the prophecies any other way,no matter how many other scriptures are violated in the process.They actually don't see Christ as obtaining victory over sin and death on the cross. They don't see Him as being the fulfillment of all the promises given in the OT.

Funny, I can walk and chew gum

 

[prism]

I have never heard a dispy that did not see another temple and instituting sacrifices.
Isn’t that a core of the system?

See post #86

 

[Arial]

I think they would consider that as the 3rd temple, aka the temple the antichrist enters and proclaims himself as god.i

2 Thessalonians 2:4 NKJV
who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

That is not telling me anything. If you really want to learn the unscriptural proposals by premil dispensation and post mil weighed against amil, if you really want to know all the options and then decide. Study the options. It takes too much space for me to cover all the bases here. Read The Israel of God: Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow by ). O.Palmer Robertson and the Kim Riddlebarger book I suggested. It will help you see how to correctly interpret prophecy in light of the big picture----the complete and consistently forward motion of redemption from Gen on. If it doesn't matter to you, fine. It is up to you. But you brought up the subject.

 

[prism]

Read The Israel of God: Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow by ). Palmer Robertson and the Kim Riddlebarger

I hate to be cute here, but whatever happened to Sola Scriptura and the perspicuity of Scripture, especially when it comes to prophecy?

 

[RR144]

Please list what you consider the major differences.
Maybe as I read the responses and ask questions my Dispensational leanings will be readjusted accordingly?

One is OLD and one is NEW LOL

 

[prism]

Here's a difference that recently came to mind...

(Joh 1:16) And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
(Joh 1:17) For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

 

[Arial]

I hate to be cute here, but whatever happened to Sola Scriptura and the perspicuity of Scripture, especially when it comes to prophecy?

In that very same Scripture it says God gave to His church teachers.
The Jews of the Bible had the very same Scripture that the writers of the NT had---the Law and the Prophets----and yet they needed help from teachers to understand them. We should do as the Bereans did when we read the works of others.

 

[Alive]

I will say this. The Lord has made sure that I have needed my brethren over these many years.
There is both wisdom and safety in the witness of many--all seeking Him.

 

[Eleanor]

I hate to be cute here, but whatever happened to Sola Scriptura and the perspicuity of Scripture, especially when it comes to prophecy?

As long as we understand that prophecy is given in riddles and not clearly (Nu 12:8) and, therefore, is subject to more than one interpretation.
The only rule being interpretation must be in agreement with NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church (Lk 10:16), which much of it is not.

 

[prism]

The only rule being interpretation must be in agreement with NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church (Lk 10:16), which much of it is not.

nor is the pope who claims apostolic interpretation/authority

 

[Eleanor]

nor is the pope who claims apostolic interpretation/authority

Not a good thing. . .

 

[Mr GLee]

As long as we understand that prophecy is given in riddles and not clearly (Nu 12:8) and, therefore, is subject to more than one interpretation.
The only rule being interpretation must be in agreement with NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church (Lk 10:16), which much of it is not.

The scripture does not teach the idea of apostolic teaching authority. (blasphemy)

That would be earthly inspired of the devil .

The doctrines of Christ fall like rain causing growth

How beautiful are thier feet shod with the gospel (sola scriptura) as sent messengers .

Every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor. The apostles were not crucified for the sin of the world .

Luke 10: 16 He that heareth you heareth me; (The prophetic words given from the father) and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him (the Father not seen) that sent me.

Not he that despises you despises me despises me. Replacing the invisible power of the Father with the flesh of a prophet, dying mankind, the creation.

Some followed Peter who declared . .. I rebuke you Lord our heavenly Father and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing your will (Mathew 16)

 

[Mr GLee]

I know. But once they get that divide between Israel and Gentile, and the land as the geo/political ethnic people of God, set in their mind they won't even consider any other possibility. They can't read the prophecies any other way,no matter how many other scriptures are violated in the process.They actually don't see Christ as obtaining victory over sin and death on the cross.

It would seem they did not understand the purpose of his division dividing, sects, families. Saying there must be heresies ,divisions as differences of opinion.

The kingdom of God that works within the new born again creatures does not come by observing the temporal dying things seen. They must be mixed with the unseen eternal things of Christ

1 Corinthians 11:18-20King James Version For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

Not the time to bite and devour one another so that believers are not consumed one of another. No room for jealousy like Peter and his jealousy of Jesus It can lead to murder.

In that way we can know it is God who makes men differ from another as in; what does a person have that they have not freely received and as if they have received it why glory as if it was not. In that way Christ protecting the integrity of his living word so that other do not puff up the apostles above sola scriptura.

1 Cortihians 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Acts 17 it seems to add give light to the gospel as to the need for division. Made from one blood all nations as families .Denominations No such thing non-denominational Christ the father of all the nations of the world

Acts17: 23-28 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.