Justification by Faith Alone

[brightfame52]

Justification follows the gift of faith (holy disposition, Php 1:29, 2 Pe 1:1, Ac 13:48, 18:27, Ro 12:3), which faith saves.

Faith --> salvation --> justification --> imputed righteousness (see post #393). . .all are God's work.

I know thats what you are saying, Justification b4 God is upon a holy disposition within man, and not exclusively upon the Holy dispositions in what Christ did in His Person and work.

 

[Eleanor]

I know thats what you are saying, Justification b4 God is upon a holy disposition within man, and not exclusively upon the Holy dispositions in what Christ did in His Person and work.

And that holy disposition within man is exclusively the work of the Holy Spirit.

 

[makesends]

I know thats what you are saying, Justification b4 God is upon a holy disposition within man, and not exclusively upon the Holy dispositions in what Christ did in His Person and work.

Are not justification and salvation intrinsically part of each other, or, at least, implicit of each other? Yet we don't say a person is saved before he is conceived. He is not saved "ever since" the cross, even though he was saved "at the cross" just like he was from before the foundation of the world. That the cross is central to the matter does not mean that there is a temporal measure there. Again, it is illogical to apply temporal principles to eternal fact.

 

[brightfame52]

And that holy disposition within man is exclusively the work of the Holy Spirit.

Yeah however you still basing Justification b4 God on whats in you, and not exclusively what was done for u. The Holy Spirit didnt satisfy Gods Law and Justice. And He directs to Christ for that Glory Jn 16:13-14

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

See Justification from sin is Christs exclusive work, thats what the Spirit shows to them Justified by Him

 

[brightfame52]

Are not justification and salvation intrinsically part of each other, or, at least, implicit of each other? Yet we don't say a person is saved before he is conceived. He is not saved "ever since" the cross, even though he was saved "at the cross" just like he was from before the foundation of the world. That the cross is central to the matter does not mean that there is a temporal measure there. Again, it is illogical to apply temporal principles to eternal fact.

Justification b4 God is an eternal acts and fact b4 its a temporal reality passed upon the conscience of the Justified, Faith persuades of that Eternal Fact

 

[brightfame52]

And that holy disposition within man is exclusively the work of the Holy Spirit.

So it boils down to God Justified you before His Law and Justice based upon goodness [faiths disposition] He saw in thee. Even though its the Spirits work in you, its your goodness in you Gal 5:22

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

 

[makesends]

Justification b4 God is an eternal acts and fact b4 its a temporal reality passed upon the conscience of the Justified, Faith persuades of that Eternal Fact

Yes. How does that contradict or amend what I said?

 

[brightfame52]

Yes. How does that contradict or amend what I said?

What you mean ? You can say a lot of things, doesnt mean you and i see things the same. What I just said proves Justification b4 God prior to ones birth, and new birth and believing, yet as far as I can tell you disagree with that. So what do you mean by that question ?

 

[Eleanor]

Yeah however you still basing Justification b4 God on whats in you, and not exclusively what was done for u.

And what's "in me" is what he has done for me.

 

[brightfame52]

And what's "in me" is what he has done for me.

Yes but you basing still your Justification b4 God on a inward grace, thats merit. The word merit means:

something that deserves or justifies a reward or commendation; a commendable quality, act, etc..

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We know scripture recognizes Faith as a commendable quality Heb 11 and its called precious 2 Pet 1:1

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

So congratulations, God justified you because He saw in you a commendable quality.

 

[Eleanor]

Yes but you basing still your Justification b4 God on a inward grace, thats merit.

The issue is not merit, the issue is the source of the merit.

 

[brightfame52]

The issue is not merit, the issue is the source of the merit.

Yes it is, you are saying God Justified you because of a good quality in you, Faith and Faith is the quality that one must have to believe and please God. Faith and believing are actually one in the same Heb 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

 

[makesends]

What you mean ? You can say a lot of things, doesnt mean you and i see things the same. What I just said proves Justification b4 God prior to ones birth, and new birth and believing, yet as far as I can tell you disagree with that. So what do you mean by that question ?

I just don't see how that contradicts or denies anything I said. But, I'm tired of it. Nevermind.

 

[Hazelelponi]

So congratulations, God justified you because He saw in you a commendable quality.

Yes, He did. Do you know why? Because the Faith came from God so it was a pure thing, not of man.

The commendable quality is HIS Son!

Not us. It's not from us. It's from His Hand and His perfect Work. God sees in us His Son.

"We are not born again by blood, nor by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man—but by God" John 1:13

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, He did. Do you know why? Because the Faith came from God so it was a pure thing, not of man.

The commendable quality is HIS Son!

Not us. It's not from us. It's from His Hand and His perfect Work. God sees in us His Son.

"We are not born again by blood, nor by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man—but by God" John 1:13

Then you guys are Justified b4 God based on your goodness within you.

The commendable quality is HIS Son!

Then why wasnt Christ death alone enough for God to see you justified prior to anything in you ? Wasnt His Sons work commendable in His sight b4 you were ever born ?

 

[Eleanor]

Yes it is, you are saying God Justified you

Yes, God justified me (declared me "not guilty," acquitted me, pronounced me sinless) because of the remission of my sin through faith (Ro 3:28).

because of a good quality in you,

And who's work is that good quality (faith, sinlessness), mine or God's?

God "rewards" his own work within me. . .it is the only work that is worth rewarding.

Faith and Faith is the quality that one must have to believe and please God. Faith and believing are actually one in the same Heb 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

And that faith is a gift (Php 1:29, 2 Pe 1:1, Ac 13:48, 18:27, Ro 12:3).

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, God justified me (declared me "not guilty," acquitted me, pronounced me sinless) because of the remission of my sin through faith (Ro 3:28).

And who's work is that good quality (faith, sinlessness), mine or God's?

God "rewards" his own work within me. . .it is the only work that is worth rewarding.

And that faith is a gift (Php 1:29, 2 Pe 1:1, Ac 13:48, 18:27, Ro 12:3).

So now you saying Justification b4 God is a reward to you for something in you.
Mod edit: @brightfame52 , are you not being merely contentious at this point? The conversation has grown inane. "Argumentative", not, "argument".

 

[Hazelelponi]

So now you saying Justification b4 God is a reward to you for something in you.
Mod edit: @brightfame52 , are you not being merely contentious at this point? The conversation has grown inane. "Argumentative", not, "argument".

So what you're saying is that justification by Grace through Faith is unbiblical?

It comes straight from Scripture. What you are saying you don't believe in, are the verses which show we are justified by Grace through faith. I believe all Scripture is God breathed, and it doesn't contradict itself.

 

[brightfame52]

So what you're saying is that justification by Grace through Faith is unbiblical?

It comes straight from Scripture. What you are saying you don't believe in, are the verses which show we are justified by Grace through faith. I believe all Scripture is God breathed, and it doesn't contradict itself.

Im saying what I have posted. Did the Person and work of Christ for you Justify you b4 God on His Work Value alone, or not until your God given Faith was in you ?

You stated yourself

The commendable quality is HIS Son!

So did He have that commendable quality b4 God before you had faith in you ? Yes or no

 

[Hazelelponi]

Im saying what I have posted

I'm asking you if you believe the Bible where it says we are justified by Grace through faith?

New question calls for a new answer.