Justification by Faith Alone

[Hazelelponi]

I explained my pov and it appears you still didnt receive it. I cant express it more clearer. Sometimes you may need to read things over more than once to get a proper understanding.

You gave your opinion which I refuted with Scripture and reason in post #120.

 

[brightfame52]

From your comment.

I dont remember, maybe you can prove it ? Provide the quote

 

[brightfame52]

Okay, when is the benefits of Christ applied to us to be redeemed and justified? Very simple question, can you answer this?

I have stated a million times, the elect are Justified by His Blood at the Cross. It was applied to their account b4 God when Christ shed His Blood for them and washed away their sins. Rom 5:9 So now you know, is that clear enough for you ?

 

[brightfame52]

@Ladodgers6

So, I understand what you are saying by stating we are righteous before Faith.

So thats my point, so why you saying Im not explaining my point ?

 

[brightfame52]

You gave your opinion which I refuted with Scripture and reason in post #120.

You gave me your opinion which I believe is in error because it disagrees with what I have stated.

 

[Hazelelponi]

You gave me your opinion which I believe is in error because it disagrees with what I have stated.

I gave Scripture top to bottom, to which you provided no Scriptural refutation yet.

 

[brightfame52]

I gave Scripture top to bottom, to which you provided no Scriptural refutation yet.

I gave scripture duh

 

[Hazelelponi]

I gave scripture duh

Not since I refuted you. Are you conceding that I am correct in accordance with Scripture?

 

[Ladodgers6]

@Ladodgers6



So thats my point, so why you saying Im not explaining my point ?

Because as I said before, you are talking about election and predestination. Not about how a sinner is declared righteous through Faith Alone. Which this thread that I started is about Justification by Faith Alone. That's why I asked you about election and you said I don't understand your point.

BTW, I am not a Hyper-Calvinist as you statements seem to indicate. I am a Classical Calvinist. Because your comments you believe that sinners are justified before they're actually justified by Christ through Faith Alone. This I do not hold.

But when I press you on how a sinner is declared righteous you do not answer. Even your previous posts do not answer this question in detail. This is not hard to do, if you really know. But you avoid it, why?

But ironically enough you insist that a person is righteous before Faith, no he is not. He is a sinner; in fact he's a condemned sinner; under the curse of the Law & God.

If a sinner is righteous before Faith, then why would he need Faith at all. He's already righteous, meaning not needing a Savior or Faith to be saved in Christ. Without being untied to Christ through Faith Alone no one is saved.

But I do not see any of these statements from you. Why? This is the confusion you present.​

 

[Ladodgers6]

I have stated a million times, the elect are Justified by His Blood at the Cross. It was applied to their account b4 God when Christ shed His Blood for them and washed away their sins. Rom 5:9 So now you know, is that clear enough for you ?

No mention of Faith here anywhere! What does Paul say in Hebrews 11 regarding having Faith? Believing and trusting God and his word in who Christ is and what he has done for the ungodly is our salvation and this sir is received by Faith, and without Faith you are not justified by His blood nor is it applied to your account before God.

His elect will possess God's divine gift of Faith through the hearing of His word and by the power of the Holy Spirit.

This is missing in your equation.​

 

[Ladodgers6]

I dont remember, maybe you can prove it ? Provide the quote

Our Justification b4 God exists but its not seen.

This comment is a bit confusing.

Our Justification exists before God, but it's not seen. This is what you should've wrote.

 

[Ladodgers6]

I dont remember, maybe you can prove it ? Provide the quote

Our Justification b4 God exists but its not seen.

BTW, as I said before, this is a Hyper-Calvinist teaching not John Calvin's teaching.

 

[Carbon]

Our Justification b4 God exists but its not seen.

BTW, as I said before, this is a Hyper-Calvinist teaching not John Calvin's teaching.

I know one thing, brother, Hyper-Calvinism is heresy.

 

[brightfame52]

@Ladodgers6

Our Justification b4 God exists but its not seen.

Yeah I may have said that. The Justification the elect have by the blood of Christ, its a legal transaction between Christ and the Father. He satisfied the Justice of God on behalf of the elect with His Blood Rom 5:9 which Justified them, however the dont know about until its revealed to them by Faith. The elect doesnt see the Legal transaction. Just because they dont realize it, or see it by Faith, it existed.

 

[brightfame52]

I know one thing, brother, Hyper-Calvinism is heresy.

Do you believe the elect were Justified by the Blood of Christ at the Cross b4 they were born ?

 

[brightfame52]

Not since I refuted you. Are you conceding that I am correct in accordance with Scripture?

I have nothing else for you, in my opinion you in error and dont believe the Death/Blood of Christ alone Justified the elect b4 God. And Im not judging your eternal destiny, thats between you and God.

 

[brightfame52]

This comment is a bit confusing.

Our Justification exists before God, but it's not seen. This is what you should've wrote.

Lol I dont really need you to give me a grammar lesson if you understood what I stated. Thats what I stated either way.

 

[Carbon]

Do you believe the elect were Justified by the Blood of Christ at the Cross b4 they were born ?

That's a good question that I dont think I can really answer. However, I think since the covenant of redemption, as far as God is concerned, it's finished. Time was made for us, and in time (for us) these things are accomplished. As @Ladodgers6 stated, we cannot see it.

God is not subject to time, and I believe He functions in many dimensions. So, as scripture states
and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. Revelation 13:8,
God does not take names out of the Book of Life.

Hope this makes sense.
I'm just one of those dumb humans.

 

[Carbon]

Do you believe the elect were Justified by the Blood of Christ at the Cross b4 they were born ?

Question for you. Why did you ask me this as a reply to what I said here?

Carbon said: I know one thing, brother, Hyper-Calvinism is heresy.

 

[brightfame52]

@Carbon

That's a good question that I dont think I can really answer.

At least you are honest about it, my answer as you know is YES

However, I think since the covenant of redemption, as far as God is concerned, it's finished. Time was made for us, and in time (for us) these things are accomplished. As @Ladodgers6 stated, we cannot see it.

Yeah but God sees it, its He who Justifies the elect for Christs Sake. Im speaking about are the Elect Justified B4 God by Christ Shed Blood before the Elect are Born ? Didnt Christ put away the sins of the Elect b4 they were born ? See Faith sees what has always been a reality b4 God

God is not subject to time,

Of course not, but man is, so the elect comes into the knowledge of what God already knows as a reality. It was a secret thing to the elect, but God later reveals it to them in the Gospel. See the Gospel reveals to the elect that righteousness of God, that has been imputed to them when Christ was made sin for them 2000yrs ago 2 Cor 5:21

21 ;For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

That was a legal transaction betweed the Father and Son, the elcts sin charged to Him, Christs Righteousness charged to them. Then later a preacher of the Gospel gives the good news of that righteousness imputed, and its revealed to Faith Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Something revealed had to exist prior to it being revealed, or made known.

I hope this makes sense to you !