• **Notifications**: Notifications can be dismissed by clicking on the "x" on the righthand side of the notice.
  • **New Style**: You can now change style options. Click on the paintbrush at the bottom of this page.
  • **Donations**: If the Lord leads you please consider helping with monthly costs and up keep on our Forum. Click on the Donate link In the top menu bar. Thanks
  • **New Blog section**: There is now a blog section. Check it out near the Private Debates forum or click on the Blog link in the top menu bar.
  • Welcome Visitors! Join us and be blessed while fellowshipping and celebrating our Glorious Salvation In Christ Jesus.

Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament

Fred said:
You dodged this fact.
Click to expand...
You don't have a Biblical argument. Look how simple and beautiful this is. I get to quote scripture where the Lord tells us how to pray and all of the disciples listened. Look at you, you got nothing.

Begin here:

Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
7And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.
 
Fred said:
Stephen called upon Jesus (= prayed to Him) which Paul would later do (Acts 22:16), which Peter said to do (Acts 2:21) and which Paul said to do (Romans 10:13).
Click to expand...
Wrong. There was no such prayer made to Jesus.

But while we are on it, the Son of Man was standing at the right hand of God? That means Jesus isn't God.
 
Fred said:
You are still dodging.
Click to expand...
And you still haven't quoted anything about praying to Jesus.

I'll teach you using Christ's teachings what we Christians believe concerning prayer:

Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
7And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.
 
Fred said:
Acts 7:59-60 refutes your false doctrine.
Click to expand...
Fred said:
Click to expand...
The Lord directly taught differently than you. If you're a Christian, you'll pray to the Father like Jesus said. This is very simple to understand. There is no refuting Jesus. Get real.

I'll teach you using Christ's teachings what we Christians believe concerning prayer:

Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
7And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.
 
Runningman said:
The Lord directly taught differently than you. If you're a Christian, you'll pray to the Father like Jesus said. This is very simple to understand. There is no refuting Jesus. Get real.

I'll teach you using Christ's teachings what we Christians believe concerning prayer:

Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
7And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.
Click to expand...

Jesus didn't say pray "only" to the Father.

That was easy.

Thanks.
 
Fred said:
Jesus didn't say pray "only" to the Father.

That was easy.

Thanks.
Click to expand...
He didn't teach otherwise. Case closed. Follow the Lord or you're lost.
 
Fred said:






Your mind is closed.




Which would entail believing what He affirmed in John 14:14.
Click to expand...
Read Matthew 6:6-9 if you want to know how to pray and who to pray to. If that's wrong to you then I can't help you, but the only teachings on praying for Christians are in the passage I provided you... repeatedly. No one ever taught a thing about praying to Jesus. Get over it and quit trying to make the Bible submit to your idolatry.
 
Fred said:
Which proves Paul taught singing to Jesus.

Great.
Click to expand...
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible disagrees with you.

"singing and making melody in your hearts to the Lord; singing, as it is a distinct thing from prayer, so from giving of thanks, which is mentioned in Ephesians 5:20 as another duty; it is not a mental praising of God, for it is called speaking, and teaching, and admonishing, but it is a praising of God with the modulation of the voice; and is rightly performed, when the heart and voice agree; when there is a melody in the heart, as well as in the tongue; for singing and making melody in the heart, is singing with, or from the heart, or heartily; of as elsewhere, "with grace", and which the Alexandrian copy reads here; that is, either with gratitude and thankfulness, or with grace in exercise; and the end in view should be the glory of God."
 
Runningman said:
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible disagrees with you.

"singing and making melody in your hearts to the Lord; singing, as it is a distinct thing from prayer, so from giving of thanks, which is mentioned in Ephesians 5:20 as another duty; it is not a mental praising of God, for it is called speaking, and teaching, and admonishing, but it is a praising of God with the modulation of the voice; and is rightly performed, when the heart and voice agree; when there is a melody in the heart, as well as in the tongue; for singing and making melody in the heart, is singing with, or from the heart, or heartily; of as elsewhere, "with grace", and which the Alexandrian copy reads here; that is, either with gratitude and thankfulness, or with grace in exercise; and the end in view should be the glory of God."
Click to expand...

Yeah, so?

I can quote Unitarians who disagree with you.
 
Fred said:
John 14:14....Ask Me
Click to expand...
John 16
23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Arial
I AM That I AM: What Does It Really Mean?
3 4 5
Replies
93
Views
627
LeviR
L
Hobie
Creation points to the Sabbath
Replies
2
Views
124
Hobie
Hobie
C
Is There Equal Authority Within Trinity Doctrine?
2 3
Replies
54
Views
293
Mr GLee
M
jeremiah1five
THE IMPORTANCE OF THE TORAH
2 3 4
Replies
76
Views
1K
jeremiah1five
jeremiah1five
C
Jesus's Warnings To Be Ready Are For Saved Believers Before the Great Tribulation
Replies
0
Views
4
ChristB4us
C
Back
Top