James White

[Rella]

In the thread titled Do you need to be baptised to be saved ( including poll) James White was brought up to Wycliffs_Shillelagh by Dave_Regenerated

Having been unfamiliar with him myself I did a shallow dive.... and came up with this.

Not wanting to take that thread in a new direction... although they are tied together at the hip this is what I found.... for those, who like myself and @Andia and @Wycliffs_Shillelagh may not be familiar.

Certainly the following link is an interesting read ... and more baptism confusion then settled IMHO.

Dave_Regenerated,

You asked Jarrod... "Do you live near James White?"

Followed up with.... "It seems pretty impossible to me that you are a Christian and don't know who James White is. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. But I guess it could be better in general." ....You did not say based on where they live in relation to each other BUT said It seems pretty impossible to me that you are a Christian and don't know who James White is.

So I went hunting.....

Just the same as I had to look up Dr. Jack Cottrell last year as another member was always referencing him as their favorite theologian and I, admittedly, was clueless on that, published, one too.

But back to James White.

Yes, indeed....A very interesting read here. And according to James White not only am I not a Christian... my entire Presbyterian lineage back through time is evidently is also not Christian.... because according to him they error on calling Baptism a sacrament.
Which seemingly makes us Presbys non Christian at all, in his opinion.........

" Thus, he thinks baptism and “the grace of God” are antithetical to each other. Above, he said baptism was contrary to “the blood of Christ.” Not only that, he holds that people who believe in baptism as a sacrament (and above all, those — like Luther — who think it is a sacrament that regenerates) ought not be called “Christian”

This is from https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davea...l-regeneration-refutation-of-james-white.html

Titled "Baptismal Regeneration: Refutation of James White"

And further into my shallow diving on him.. turned up this.

Ahhhhhhhh... View attachment 549

James White Joins Controversial ‘Booze and Tattoos’ Church

It is unclear, at the time of publication, whether White is leaving Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church as elder and member, however, dual-membership is not really something that happens regularly in R…

christianresearchnetwork.org

It is unclear, at the time of publication, whether White is leaving Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church as elder and member, however, dual-membership is not really something that happens regularly in Reformed Baptist Churches.

(Pulpit & Pen) Apologia Church is the congregation that became embroiled in a controversy after the Christians News Network posted an article about a number of questionable fundraisers undertaken by the church. On two separate occasions, church members hosted separate events that exchanged booze and tattoos (respectively) for money designated to a Hawaii church plant. Christian News Network found a video posted online under the church’s affiliated media ministry (by the same name), in which a man was receiving a tattoo on his arm in exchange for charity to the church. …

Phoenix apologist, James White, became enraged, as the church was that of his daughter’s and the man receiving the tattoo in the video was his son-in-law. Furthermore, that tattoo was designed to match one already received by the Reformed Baptist statesmen, his father-in-law, James White. The entire controversy stemming from this is referred to as the “Booze and Tattoos Debacle of 2016.”

So now we know a bit of James White. For someone who allegedly should be known in the Christian world, my shallow dive showed not much on his beliefs... only those written in the link above....

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

In the thread titled Do you need to be baptised to be saved ( including poll) James White was brought up to Wycliffs_Shillelagh by Dave_Regenerated

Having been unfamiliar with him myself I did a shallow dive.... and came up with this.

Not wanting to take that thread in a new direction... although they are tied together at the hip this is what I found.... for those, who like myself and @Andia and @Wycliffs_Shillelagh may not be familiar.

Certainly the following link is an interesting read ... and more baptism confusion then settled IMHO.

Dave_Regenerated,

You asked Jarrod... "Do you live near James White?"

Followed up with.... "It seems pretty impossible to me that you are a Christian and don't know who James White is. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. But I guess it could be better in general." ....You did not say based on where they live in relation to each other BUT said It seems pretty impossible to me that you are a Christian and don't know who James White is.

So I went hunting.....

Just the same as I had to look up Dr. Jack Cottrell last year as another member was always referencing him as their favorite theologian and I, admittedly, was clueless on that, published, one too.

But back to James White.

Yes, indeed....A very interesting read here. And according to James White not only am I not a Christian... my entire Presbyterian lineage back through time is evidently is also not Christian.... because according to him they error on calling Baptism a sacrament.
Which seemingly makes us Presbys non Christian at all, in his opinion.........



This is from https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davea...l-regeneration-refutation-of-james-white.html

Titled "Baptismal Regeneration: Refutation of James White"

And further into my shallow diving on him.. turned up this.

Ahhhhhhhh... View attachment 549

James White Joins Controversial ‘Booze and Tattoos’ Church

It is unclear, at the time of publication, whether White is leaving Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church as elder and member, however, dual-membership is not really something that happens regularly in R…

christianresearchnetwork.org

So now we know a bit of James White. For someone who allegedly should be known in the Christian world, my shallow dive showed not much on his beliefs... only those written in the link above....

You will have to either find his website or just look around YouTube. He's very popular. Google searches don't always turn up much.

 

[makesends]

You will have to either find his website or just look around YouTube. He's very popular. Google searches don't always turn up much.

Particularly if Google doesn't want you to know...

 

[Arial]

In the thread titled Do you need to be baptised to be saved ( including poll) James White was brought up to Wycliffs_Shillelagh by Dave_Regenerated

Having been unfamiliar with him myself I did a shallow dive.... and came up with this.

Not wanting to take that thread in a new direction... although they are tied together at the hip this is what I found.... for those, who like myself and @Andia and @Wycliffs_Shillelagh may not be familiar.

Certainly the following link is an interesting read ... and more baptism confusion then settled IMHO.

Dave_Regenerated,

You asked Jarrod... "Do you live near James White?"

Followed up with.... "It seems pretty impossible to me that you are a Christian and don't know who James White is. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. But I guess it could be better in general." ....You did not say based on where they live in relation to each other BUT said It seems pretty impossible to me that you are a Christian and don't know who James White is.

So I went hunting.....

Just the same as I had to look up Dr. Jack Cottrell last year as another member was always referencing him as their favorite theologian and I, admittedly, was clueless on that, published, one too.

But back to James White.

Yes, indeed....A very interesting read here. And according to James White not only am I not a Christian... my entire Presbyterian lineage back through time is evidently is also not Christian.... because according to him they error on calling Baptism a sacrament.
Which seemingly makes us Presbys non Christian at all, in his opinion.........



This is from https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davea...l-regeneration-refutation-of-james-white.html

Titled "Baptismal Regeneration: Refutation of James White"

And further into my shallow diving on him.. turned up this.

Ahhhhhhhh... View attachment 549

James White Joins Controversial ‘Booze and Tattoos’ Church

It is unclear, at the time of publication, whether White is leaving Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church as elder and member, however, dual-membership is not really something that happens regularly in R…

christianresearchnetwork.org

So now we know a bit of James White. For someone who allegedly should be known in the Christian world, my shallow dive showed not much on his beliefs... only those written in the link above....

Why are you learning about James White by reading about him from a Catholic website that is opposed to him---and then reposting it here declaring that "Now we know a bit about James White? I read the article and it was very misleading, poorly written, full of unproven statements, arrogant, misstated the position it quoted etc. Read what James White writes if you want to know what he believes.

 

[Rella]

Why are you learning about James White by reading about him from a Catholic website that is opposed to him---and then reposting it here declaring that "Now we know a bit about James White? I read the article and it was very misleading, poorly written, full of unproven statements, arrogant, misstated the position it quoted etc. Read what James White writes if you want to know what he believes.

And now you know a bit about him too.

The question to Wyvliffs by Dave-Regenerated was if he lived near James White.

Followed up with.... "It seems pretty impossible to me that you are a Christian and don't know who James White is.

And Jarrod responded NO. And he also suggested he did not even know that person... As did Andia... and me too.

So I did a little looking and there is next to nothing anbout him.... under a google search. To me that says he is not so important and not worth a deep dive that it would take to see about him.

BTW... I look at Catholic websites... As well as Jewish. Didn't know that was against the Protestant mindset because it should not be.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then....

How else to know about the deep seated beliefs of any "Christian" than to know why they believe as they do based on who they follow, for it is certain that if one ONLY believes what is written in the four corners of the bible... they will come away understanding differently then their neighbor. And compound that with outside "preachers and teachers" ... well.

Anyway... I never had heard of one of the members here favorite theologian until last year. Dr. Jack Cottrell ... And this one I dont agree with either.

But I look at it this way.

NO CHURCH IS 100% RIGHT AND NO CHURCH IS 100% WRONG.

 

[Arial]

So I did a little looking and there is next to nothing anbout him.... under a google search. To me that says he is not so important and not worth a deep dive that it would take to see about him.

https://www.ligonier.org › learn › teachers › james-white
https://books.google.com › books › about › The_Forgotten_Trinity.html?id=NhhOmXxt4osC
https://www.aomin.org › aoblog › misc › james-r-white
https://www.youtube.com › watch?v=89u9xb2IUOU
Just to list four that are at the top of the google search.

BTW... I look at Catholic websites... As well as Jewish. Didn't know that was against the Protestant mindset because it should not be.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then....

Quite a leap----me asking why you used as your source to tell us about James White as a Catholic one that dislikes him (because he comes against some of their doctrines)----to making me to be saying that I (and by extension evidently all Protestants)have a mindset of never looking at Catholic websites or any other websites of other religions. But then I guess such a leap gives opportunity to lob in there a passive aggressive insult. Address what is said instead of changing what is said and then addressing that.

How else to know about the deep seated beliefs of any "Christian" than to know why they believe as they do based on who they follow, for it is certain that if one ONLY believes what is written in the four corners of the bible... they will come away understanding differently then their neighbor. And compound that with outside "preachers and teachers" ... well.

Considering what you are saying, and the fact that you put Christian in quotes, should you change "Christian" to religion? If one only believes what is written in the four corners of the Bible, and believe what it is in those four corners by understanding it, they will do well. Fully fed and fully taught. Since when is understanding just as your neighbors do necessary for salvation? The whole world is our neighbor. And the community of God, His covenant children through faith in the person and work of Christ, are pilgrims and strangers on the earth, a holy nation. We are told that we are in the world but not of the world. Our true home is in His kingdom. You conflate knowledge with truth. It is good to have knowledge but not all knowledge is truth.

NO CHURCH IS 100% RIGHT AND NO CHURCH IS 100% WRONG.

Is that a reason for----anything?

 

[Rella]

https://www.ligonier.org › learn › teachers › james-white
https://books.google.com › books › about › The_Forgotten_Trinity.html?id=NhhOmXxt4osC
https://www.aomin.org › aoblog › misc › james-r-white
https://www.youtube.com › watch?v=89u9xb2IUOU
Just to list four that are at the top of the google search.

Quite a leap----me asking why you used as your source to tell us about James White as a Catholic one that dislikes him (because he comes against some of their doctrines)----to making me to be saying that I (and by extension evidently all Protestants)have a mindset of never looking at Catholic websites or any other websites of other religions. But then I guess such a leap gives opportunity to lob in there a passive aggressive insult. Address what is said instead of changing what is said and then addressing that.

Considering what you are saying, and the fact that you put Christian in quotes, should you change "Christian" to religion? If one only believes what is written in the four corners of the Bible, and believe what it is in those four corners by understanding it, they will do well. Fully fed and fully taught. Since when is understanding just as your neighbors do necessary for salvation? The whole world is our neighbor. And the community of God, His covenant children through faith in the person and work of Christ, are pilgrims and strangers on the earth, a holy nation. We are told that we are in the world but not of the world. Our true home is in His kingdom. You conflate knowledge with truth. It is good to have knowledge but not all knowledge is truth.

Is that a reason for----anything?

Awe come on Arial....

This time when I say goodbye it will be for far longer then you expect.

I don't need a smack down from you. I have my hands full taking care of my mother with dementia.

I call things as I see them.... but yes... absolutely to

NO CHURCH IS 100% RIGHT AND NO CHURCH IS 100% WRONG.

Is that a reason for----anything?

Anyway... this non pre-determined by God woman is gone.

Bye

 

[Arial]

Awe come on Arial....

This time when I say goodbye it will be for far longer then you expect.

I don't need a smack down from you. I have my hands full taking care of my mother with dementia.

I call things as I see them.... but yes... absolutely to

NO CHURCH IS 100% RIGHT AND NO CHURCH IS 100% WRONG.

Is that a reason for----anything?

Anyway... this non pre-determined by God woman is gone.

Bye

Do as you please. It is your own desire, not that of anyone else. If disagreeing with you is considered a smack down by you then I don't know what to say, other than it puts one walking on eggshells as to presenting their own views, in order to accommodate one person.

 

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

NO CHURCH IS 100% RIGHT AND NO CHURCH IS 100% WRONG.

I have a pretty good idea where that came from.

Is that a reason for----anything?

Anyway... this non pre-determined by God woman is gone.

Bye

I hope not.

 

[DialecticSkeptic]

If someone says that it's practically impossible for a Christian to be unfamiliar with James White, that person is living in either a Calvinist or Christian apologetics bubble. His popularity beyond those circles is fairly limited, as he hasn't received much exposure or even attention from mainstream media or academia. He does not have the kind of name recognition enjoyed by the likes of Tim Keller or N. T. Wright.

 

[donadams]

Only Jesus Christ has the words of eternal life so James white don’t!
Jn 6:68

 

[makesends]

Only Jesus Christ has the words of eternal life so James white don’t!
Jn 6:68

Nor do you.

 

[Arial]

Only Jesus Christ has the words of eternal life so James white don’t!
Jn 6:68

Didn't He give those words of eternal life to us? If we can't know them then how are they to give us eternal life?

 

[donadams]

Didn't He give those words of eternal life to us? If we can't know them then how are they to give us eternal life?

To his apostolic church? Yes!
We must be taught!

Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

Members of the communion of saints must submit to the teaching of the apostles the light of the world and the pillar of truth! Matt 5:14
1 Tim 3:15

Thanks

 

[Arial]

To his apostolic church? Yes!

By that you mean the Catholic church. WHich is something you cannot prove or support as it is a blasphemous lie. The scriptures you give are meaningless as support because they are used as nothing more than confirmation bias with no attempt to show or determine what they really mean. Your head is buried in the sand iow.

 

[donadams]

By that you mean the Catholic church. WHich is something you cannot prove or support as it is a blasphemous lie. The scriptures you give are meaningless as support because they are used as nothing more than confirmation bias with no attempt to show or determine what they really mean. Your head is buried in the sand iow.

How many authentic churches are there?

Who has authority to establish a church?

 

[fastfredy0]

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs!

Hilarious!!!

 

[donadams]

Hilarious!!!

Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

 

[donadams]

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13) one faith (eph 4:5) the faith delivered to the apostles (Jude 1:3)

 

[Arial]

How many authentic churches are there?

Who has authority to establish a church?

Millions.

Anyone who wants to, files the right papers, and gets the proper permits. Your question needs to be more specific.

But who gives the Catholic church the authority to say they are the only true church? And who gives them the authority to be the only interpreter of scripture. And who gave the pope the authority to be called Holy Father, or the priests to intercede in the place of Christ?

And don't just list a bunch of scripture references. The authority of the Catholic church to give a meaning to them that is beneficial to them and no one else has not been established.