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God's word teaches how to live in a way that points to God's word made flesh and so we should live in a way that points to him by obeying it rather than a way that point away from him by refusing to obey it. Rather, it is refusing to obey God's word that declares that Christ has not come.
The way to believe in God is by believing that we ought to be doers of His character traits. For example, by doing good works in obedience to God's law, we are testifying about or pointing towards God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying or pointing toward God's goodness, we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words, we are believing in Him. The same is true for the Son who is the exact image of God's character (Hebrews 1:3). God did not give His law to His children for the purpose of teaching us how to deny that Christ has come, but just the opposite.
Those are a few of the things commanded in God's law.
Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4) and the NT instruct us to refrain from sin. In 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, Paul spoke about how Passover foreshadowed Christ by drawing the connection of him being our Passover Lamb and then concluded that we should therefore continue to observe Passover.
Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so he would have still taught full obedience to it by example even if he had said nothing, including keeping the Sabbath holy, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6).
Either Paul only spoke against circumcision for incorrect reasons or according to Galatians 5:2, he caused Christ to be of no value to Timothy when he had him circumcised right after the Jerusalem Council (Acts 16:3) and Christ is of no value to roughly 80% of the men in the US. In Acts 15:1, they were wanting to require all Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, however, that was never the reason for which God commanded circumcision, so the Jerusalem Council upheld God's law by correctly ruling against requiring circumcision for an incorrect purpose. The Jerusalem Council did not have the authority to countermand God, so they should not be interpreted as ruling against becoming circumcised in accordance with the reasons that God commanded it for, such as if a Gentile wanted to eat of the Passover lamb (Exodus 12:48).
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Do you mean that works demonstrate one as having faith? The seed in good soil producing a crop? If so that is correct. But the way you are saying it does present that faith comes from works rather than works come from faith, when you say works are the way to have faith.
I'll another way. We become someone who has faith, someone who is an obeyer of God's law, and someone who will be justified all at the same time and anyone who is not one of those is also not the others. It's different ways of talking about the same thing.
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Oral traditions of dying mankind call a "law of the fathers" . Used by Jew as well as Catholics point to another gospel, another teaching master other than sola scriptura.
Again, Deuteronomy 17:8-13 gives the basis for the oral law. Moreover, Hebrew script did not originally have vowel points and consonants can have a variety of means depending upon which vowels are between them, such as with mad, med, mid, mod, or mud, so there needed to be an oral tradition of how to pronounce the Torah in order to correctly know which words it uses.
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God has made the tongue he gives us his understanding.
Basis for oral law of dying mankind called a law of the fathers. Or the written law (sola scriptura)? Which teaching master?
If no oral traditions of dying mankind. Then no Catholicism. Catholicism is built on oral tradition of dying mankind as its one foundation.
The word of God does not promote the oral traditions of dying mankind as if we did need a man to teach us.
Matthew 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mark 7:13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Romans 3:For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
You did not address the issue of an oral tradition being required in order to correctly know which words the Bible uses. If you go by sola scripture, then you need to abide Deuteronomy 17:8-13, which gives authority to priests and judges to make rulings about how to correctly obey God's law. Furthermore, in Matthew 23:2-4, Jesus said that the Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses, so do and observe all that they tell you, so Jesus recognized that they had this authority. Jesus celebrated Hanukkah (John 10:22) and Purim is also a manmade holiday (Esther 9:20-32).
A number of God's laws almost ask for further explanation for how exactly they should be put into practice. For example, in Numbers 15:38, it instructs to wear tassels on the corners of our garments with a thread of blue in each, however, it doesn't say anything about which shade of blue to use, what other colors should be used, what to use to make the pigment, how long these tassels should be, how to attach them to our garments, how many knots should be tired in them, what to do if our garments don't have corners, etc., so all of these things got left to tradition and there is nothing wrong with following these traditions. The critics of Jesus certainly wouldn't have missed the opportunity to criticize him if he hadn't been following this tradition.
In Leviticus 19:23-25, it instructs that we should not eat the fruit of a tree that has been planted in the last for the first three years, the fourth it is holy to God, and the fifth we can eat. However, it doesn't say what we should do if a tree is planted on a hill and the fruit of its tree rolled down the hill to mix with the fruit of a tree planted during a different year, so someone had to make a ruling about what to do, which got passed down orally as case law. Again, there is nothing wrong with someone following this ruling.
The problem that Jesus had was not with following the traditions of the elders, but with the instance of people setting aside the commands of God in order to follow them. So while there is room for using Scripture as the highest authority, that also leaves room for coming under the authority of the leaders of a community.
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Thanks for the reply. .
Yes the, as the as it is writen authority (sola scriptura) not of dying mankind as a oral traditions . . powerless to please God, the powerful merciful. gracious one...
Three times (Mathew 4) in the beginning of the ministry of two (the Father and the Son of man ) three times tempted by the spirit of error .
The Holy Father gave words to his prophet Jesus . . . as it is writen, again as it written and again three represents the end of a matter throughout scripture
LOL . .strike three the devil, it's back to the bottomless dugout . never saw the faith ball come
It in that phrase as it is writen. . it represents the unseen power of God .He the storeroom of our new born again faith.He gives us little calling us "of little faith" the golden measure, just enough power to please him . in that way. Peter said increase our new born again faith asking for strength to do it to the good pleasure of our Faithful Creator.
Dying mankind has no power of his own to raise himself from the dead. With our new faith (understanding) we have His power working in us . . but would never blaspheme the name as the power our Holy Father. in respect to . . . His work of faith or called a labor of His love .
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
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The shade is not important is the color . What does the color blue used in ceremonial parables represent to you?
The word blue is used 50 times in the old to represent something in the parables as ceremonial law shadow. The shadow became sight during the first century reformation (Hebrew 9)
one in new one (1 Corinthian 11) in new testament, tradition of headship and the consummation of the wedding ceremony of the bride. . when the veil is lifted in the new heaven and earth the in celebration eat and drink , bread and blood of the grapes
Exodus 39 And of the blue, and purple, and scarlet, they made cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, and made the holy garments for Aaron; as the Lord commanded Moses. And he made the ephod of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen. And they did beat the gold into thin plates, and cut it into wires, to work it in the blue, and in the purple, and in the scarlet, and in the fine linen, with cunning work. ...
Below in that parable the metaphors would seem to be saying blue in respect to the wisdom of God. secondary to gold (faith) blue wisdom .One function, the 70 ft high veil was to to represent the circumcision of His first born, the bloody husband Christ . the veil was rent to signify circumcision of His first born . the it is finished
Exodus 35:35 Them hath he filled with wisdom of heart, to work all manner of work, of the engraver, and of the cunning workman, and of the embroiderer, in blue, and in purple, in scarlet, and in fine linen, and of the weaver, even of them that do any work, and of those that devise cunning work
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Blue The conning wisdom of God that works in the blue ones.
Below it is used to represent the bruised heel of the son of man that crushed the head of the serpent. The father striking the Son of man Jesus, The father pouring out His holy Spirit on the flesh of the son of man strengthening him to finish the work of two (Genesis 3:15 with Isaiah 53 ). The witness of two that one God has spoken
Proverbs 20:30 The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.
What do you think blue represent as a ceremonial law ?A sign the the world ?
I think God using those ceremonies as shadows . . drawing mankind to himself , through the hearing of living word (the gospel) Believers have prophecy no need for signs . Sent out two witness God spoke not the witness of one. no man can be put to death by the witness of one
Our Holy Father working with His son revealing demonstrating to us the mind and power of the Holy Father God sends out two be two as the witness God spoke two just as today
Many messengers on this forum . In these last days we can go out to the whole word with the gospel of our salvation without leaving the cave
Two needed to preach to the new believers drawn in by God We can preach. He is the Teacher ..The Golden with Blue Army
Matt 4:17
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
And this was at the end or maybe closer to the beginning.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
And this was at the end or maybe closer to the beginning.
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now nocondemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
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Is it OK to walk after the flesh of Peter or our blessed by the mercy of our Holy Father. our blessed sister in the Lord Mary flesh?
If no condemnation does that mean no Limbo or purgatory
In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, so the verses like Romans 8:1 that speak about those who are in Christ only apply to those who are following his example of walking in obedience to the Mosaic Law. Furthermore, in Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh, who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God, and the Law of Moses is referred to at being the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23.
When Christ told his audience to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, how do you think that they knew what sin is?
establish
To establish something means to begin it or bring it about.
The New covenant Law began with Jesus or was instituted by Jesus.
He did not bring in old law He made a new law of Faith.
Rom 3
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
To establish something means to begin it or bring it about.
The New covenant Law began with Jesus or was instituted by Jesus.
He did not bring in old law He made a new law of Faith.
Rom 3
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
In Romans 3:31, it says that our faith does not abolish God's law, but rather our faith establishes it, yet you seek to abolish it rather than establish it.
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