Is it important to keep the Sabbath?

[Hobie]

Yes it is. In God's final warning messages to the world we find a call to worship the Creator.
Revelation 14:6-7
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The call to worship in Revelation 14:7 brings us back to the Sabbath Commandment which God set aside specifically for holy purposes:
Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Throughout the scriptures we can see an emphasis on the recognition of the Creator.
Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Nehemiah 9:6
Thou, even thou, art Lord alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalm 96:4-5
4 For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the Lord made the heavens.

Psalm 121:1-2
1 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.
2 My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

Acts 4:24
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

By keeping the Sabbath holy, as He commanded us, we show our love for Him and give recognition of His authority in our life.
1 John 5:1-3
1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Now some people say it doesn't matter what day we worship and God doesn't care, but He does.
Isaiah 58:14
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

And Christ Himself set for us the example...
Luke 4:16
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

 

[A branch]

Colos 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
This person was instructed by Jesus Himself. The Sabbath is or was part of the old covenant. One must follow All of old covenant or choose the new covenant God gave no choice to mix the covenants.

 

[Soyeong]

Colos 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
This person was instructed by Jesus Himself. The Sabbath is or was part of the old covenant. One must follow All of old covenant or choose the new covenant God gave no choice to mix the covenants.

Colossians 2:16 leaves room for two possibilities:

1.) The Colossians were not keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by Jews because they weren't keeping them, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge then for not keeping them.

2.) The Colossians were keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by pagans because they were keeping them, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge them for keeping them.

In Colossians 2:16-23, Paul described the people who were judging the Colossians as teaching human precepts and traditions, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, which means that they were being judged by pagans and that 2.) is the case. The Sabbath is also part of the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:33). In Galatians 3:19, a new covenant does not nullify the promises of a covenant that has already been ratified.

 

[Fred]

Yes it is.

No.

The Old Covenant command to keep the 7thb day Sabbath is not repeated one time in the New Covenant for Christians to obey.

Interestingly, the other 9 Commandments are repeated in the New Covenant, so they are to be obeyed.

 

[Fred]

Colossians 2:16 leaves room for two possibilities:

1.) The Colossians were not keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by Jews because they weren't keeping them, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge then for not keeping them.

Holy days are used in association with new moons and the Sabbath.
None are binding upon the Christian.

2.) The Colossians were keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by pagans because they were keeping them, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge them for keeping them.

As well as the other two. Whether pagans or Jews, no one is to judge a Christian concerning all three.

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): With liberation from bondage to the stoixeia tou kosmou the dogmata are also set aside, so that the Christian community is definitely freed from the Sabbath commandment - no matter whether this is based on the supposed necessity of the Law to salvation or on the controlling power of cosmic forces ((7:30, Sabbaton, Lohse).

The Sabbath is also part of the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:33).

Does not include the Sabbath in that passage.

In Galatians 3:19, a new covenant does not nullify the promises of a covenant that has already been ratified.

Which doesn't necessitate all of the same commands from the previous covenant are still binding.


Furthermore, people who live in the northern regions (like Barrow, Alaska) don't have a sunset for 2 months of the year (during winter). Unless you want to change the meaning of "sunset" there is no way for them to obey a sunset to sunset command when there is none for 2 months of the year.

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[Mr GLee]

I would offer the word sabbath is not a time sensitive word.it means rest with no other meaning added It should of ben translated in English ( eternal Rest)

Hebrew 4;1-7 identifies the eternal rest every time we do not hardens our own heart and do not do own own will we have entered that rest. Yoked with him he makes or daily sufferings lighter as we do feed on the bread of His will. . the strengthening power of our Holy father

Hebrews 4:1-7King James Version Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith (Christ's) in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts

Do you need more rest than today 24 /7

Used in a ceremony fast as a shadow or sign to the unbelieving world .A day set aside to share the goods, feed poor, cloth naked, shelter the homeless, preach the gospel

The atheist Jew used the shadow pointing to Christ to venerates each others dying flesh lording it over the faith of the non= venerable pew warmers . adding to the fast the kosher things of dying mankind. . how far to walk. . how much to eat. . who can perform. . it . . .dot the I cross the T . . get rid of that grin as imagination of the heart (oral traditions ) false prophecy

Not a ceremonial sign to those who perform the shadow of the unseen things of God. God using the opportunity of the ceremonies to draw dying powerless mankind to sola scriptura. . the power of Christ faith (as it is writen ) it reveals the mysteries of the shadows

Same mentality that made Jesus into a circus seal. Show us a miracle then when we see with our own eyes then we will believe .

Not a work of self edification .15 minutes of false fame " Look I did it, it proves myself .

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

He did no tricks

God is not a man .

 

[A branch]

Colossians 2:16 leaves room for two possibilities:

1.) The Colossians were not keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by Jews because they weren't keeping them, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge then for not keeping them.

2.) The Colossians were keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by pagans because they were keeping them, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge them for keeping them.

In Colossians 2:16-23, Paul described the people who were judging the Colossians as teaching human precepts and traditions, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, which means that they were being judged by pagans and that 2.) is the case. The Sabbath is also part of the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:33). In Galatians 3:19, a new covenant does not nullify the promises of a covenant that has already been ratified.

I do not agree. Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

 

[Soyeong]

I do not agree. Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

I don't see a good reason to interpret that verse as referring to the Law of God, especially considering the fact that all of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came not to abolish the Law of God and warned against relaxing the least part of it, and in Romans 3:31, Paul confirmed that our faith does not abolish the Law of God, but rather our faith upholds it, so interpreting Ephesians 2:15 as referring to the Law of God is calling Jesus a liar, disregarding his warning, and interpreting Paul as contradicting himself. God did not make any mistakes when He gave the law, so He had no need to abolish His own law. Laws for how to testify about God's nature can't be abolished without first abolishing God.

In Ephesians 2:10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so it wouldn't make sense to interpret 2:15 as saying that Jesus abolished his eternal laws for how to do good works. In regard to Ephesians 2:14, God did not give any laws for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves. In regard to Ephesians 2:15, the Greek word "dogma" is used to refer to something other than the Law of God every other time that it is used by the Bible, so justification needs to be give for why it should be interpreted as referring to the Law of God. In Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles were at one time separated from Christ, alienated from Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world, but through faith in Christ all of that is no longer true, so Gentiles are becoming joined to Christ, to Israel, to the covenants of promise, and to the God of Israel, which is all in accordance with living in obedience to the Law of Moses, not Jews becoming separated from Christ, from Israel, from the covenants of promise, and becoming joined to Gentiles in accordance with rejecting the Law of Moses.

 

[Soyeong]

No.

The Old Covenant command to keep the 7thb day Sabbath is not repeated one time in the New Covenant for Christians to obey.

Interestingly, the other 9 Commandments are repeated in the New Covenant, so they are to be obeyed.

Jesus would have still taught full obedience to the Mosaic Law by example even if the NT hadn't repeated any commands, including keeping the Sabbath holy, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of Paul as he is an imitator of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus also began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. So Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example, including keeping the Sabbath holy, and he did not establish the New Covenant for the purpose of negating anything that he taught, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33). Jesus was not in disagreement with the Father about which laws we should follow and said nothing about editing the Mosaic Law down to just what would eventually be recorded that he repeated, so we do not need for anything to be repeated in the NT in order to know that we should still obey the Father.

Holy days are used in association with new moons and the Sabbath.
None are binding upon the Christian.

Christ taught to follow God's holy days by word and by example and Christians are people who follow what Christ taught. Christians are required to refrain from sin and the Mosaic Law is how we know what sin is (Romans 3:20).

As well as the other two. Whether pagans or Jews, no one is to judge a Christian concerning all three.

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): With liberation from bondage to the stoixeia tou kosmou the dogmata are also set aside, so that the Christian community is definitely freed from the Sabbath commandment - no matter whether this is based on the supposed necessity of the Law to salvation or on the controlling power of cosmic forces ((7:30, Sabbaton, Lohse).

So does not say that the Colossians were being judged by pagans for keeping God's holy days and that they were being judged by Jews for not keeping them, but rather it only describes them as being judged by pagans, which means that they were keeping God's holy days in obedience to God's commands in accordance with the example that Jesus set for them to follow, and that they were not being judged for doing that by Jews. Paul was a servant of God, so he should not be interpreted as speaking against obeying Him.

Does not include the Sabbath in that passage.

It states that the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it our hearts, which includes the command to keep the Sabbath holy (Exodus 20:8-11).

Which doesn't necessitate all of the same commands from the previous covenant are still binding.

Indeed it does mean that otherwise the promise would have been nullified.

Furthermore, people who live in the northern regions (like Barrow, Alaska) don't have a sunset for 2 months of the year (during winter). Unless you want to change the meaning of "sunset" there is no way for them to obey a sunset to sunset command when there is none for 2 months of the year.

That is a separate issue.

 

[Fred]

That is a separate issue.

I edited/deleted all of my previous responses to your confusion to focus on this one.

One can't obey a sunset-to-sunset command when there is no sunset.

The above fact alone refutes your heresy.

 

[Soyeong]

Because He was born under the Law (Galatians 4:4).

Jesus expressed the nature of God by living in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he still would have lived in perfect accordance with it even if he hadn't been under it. In any case, Jesus being born under the law doesn't negate that fact that we are instructed to follow his example.

You ignored the evidence I presented. Try again.

You asserted that is is not binding on Christians, which is not presented evidence to support position. You are assertion is clearly false because following Christ is for followers of Christ.

Whether by pagans or Jews, it wouldn't matter. The Sabbath command is not necessary to be obeyed.

The fact that the Colossians were being judged by pagans because they were keeping God's holy days shows that that it is incorrect to use this passage against keeping them, but rather Paul was encouraging them to continue keeping them.

No New Covenant command says so.

In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves following the Torah, which contains the command to keep the Sabbath holy. Ignoring this verses doesn't cause it to go away.

{Physical circumcision was part of the Old Covenant, but a Christian does not have to obey that command.

The purpose for which God commanded circumcision was never in order to become saved, so the Jerusalem Council upheld the Mosaic Law by correctly ruling against requiring circumcision for an incorrect purpose, but they did not rule against obeying what God has commanded.

Only because it refutes your heresy.

People could live in northern areas even when the God first commanded to keep the Sabbath, so that doesn't refuse my position or mean that we shouldn't obey God.

 

[Fred]

People could live in northern areas even when the God first commanded to keep the Sabbath, so that doesn't refuse my position or mean that we shouldn't obey God.

Yeah, they could live there, but they couldn't obey that command then and now.

 

[Soyeong]

Yeah, they could live there, but they couldn't obey that command then and now.

Then perhaps people who want to keep that command should use a different halakhah or live somewhere else.

 

[Fred]

live somewhere else.

Yeah, that's the answer!

What are you doing living in this place on planet earth!?



Thus, proving the 7th day Old Covenant Sabbath command is not a universal.

 

[Soyeong]

Yeah, that's the answer!

What are you doing living in this place on planet earth!?



Thus, proving the 7th day Old Covenant Sabbath command is not a universal.

Again live somewhere else if someone wants to use that halakhah or use a different halakhah.

 

[Fred]

Again live somewhere else if someone wants to use that halakhah or use a different halakhah.

Again, this proves the Old Covenant 7th day Sabbath command is not a universal.

Thanks for proving this as well.

 

[turbomaniac]

Sabbath kept in the old testament as they were waiting for the Lord Day (Sunday) when the Lord resurrected. In ancient Greek there is no Sun-day they have named this day Lord-Day (Kiriaki). Those who believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Messiah and the Lord of New Israel they must keep Sunday because they are waiting the 8th day (resurrection of all human and Jesus Christ in glory 2nd Presence in Earth). And Sunday is the day of the Lord so we must go to Church, pray and avoid money profit jobs.

 

[Soyeong]

Again, this proves the Old Covenant 7th day Sabbath command is not a universal.

Thanks for proving this as well.

No, the fact that Israelites could go to those areas does not mean that they did not need to obey God's commands.

 

[Soyeong]

Sabbath kept in the old testament as they were waiting for the Lord Day (Sunday) when the Lord resurrected. In ancient Greek there is no Sun-day they have named this day Lord-Day (Kiriaki). Those who believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Messiah and the Lord of New Israel they must keep Sunday because they are waiting the 8th day (resurrection of all human and Jesus Christ in glory 2nd Presence in Earth). And Sunday is the day of the Lord so we must go to Church, pray and avoid money profit jobs.

Nowhere in the Bible did God come to stop keeping the 7th day holy or to keep the 8th day instead. We have the freedom to choose whether to follow our own tradition of worshiping God on Sunday in honor of the resurrection in addition to obeying God's command to keep the 7th day holy, but we should not hypocritically set aside God's command to keep the Sabbath holy or His commands against murder, idolatry, theft, idolatry, rape, kidnapping, or any of God's other commands, in order to establish our own traditions. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross while trying to honor the resurrection by returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from would be like a husband trying to honor his wife by committing adultery.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

No.

The Old Covenant command to keep the 7thb day Sabbath is not repeated one time in the New Covenant for Christians to obey.

Interestingly, the other 9 Commandments are repeated in the New Covenant, so they are to be obeyed.

Yup it's a bad career move to murder, steal, or make hay with your neighbor's wife.