Is it important to keep the Sabbath?

[Soyeong]

why were all the apostles and new believers meeting on Sunday rather that on Sabbath evidently they were not following the sabbath

They continued to meet on the Sabbath throughout Acts. The command to keep the Sabbath holy does not prohibit meeting on other days or the week, so there is nothing about meeting on Sunday that would mean that they weren't also obeying God's command to keep the Sabbath holy. In Acts 2:46, they were meeting together, breaking bread, and attending the temple on every day. In Mark 7:6-9, Jesus criticized the Pharisees as being hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own tradition, so while we are free to follow a tradition of meeting on Sunday, we should not hypocritically set aside any of God's commands in order to establish that tradition.

It is important to keep in mind that for Jews the day starts at sundown, so a meeting on the 1st day of the week would occur on Saturday night at sundown. Jews have a longstanding tradition of meeting at this time for a Havadalah service to mark the end of the Sabbath and the start of the work week. Jews also don't handle money on the Sabbath, so this was also a time when offerings could be collected. So did not speak from morning until midnight, but rather he spoke from sundown until midnight, then left on Sunday morning to travel. So this does not establish that they met on Sunday morning, and even if they had, it does not establish that this was the start of a new tradition, and even if it was, it does not establish that they hypocritically set aside God's command in order to establish their own tradition, and even if that is what they were doing, it would not establish that we should follow their example of sin.

 

[Soyeong]

If it is important to keep the Sabbath than it is important also to do the circumcision or sacrifice sheeps?

of course not.

Jesus Christ and Saint Paul had answered about all these things that we must keep from God given law to Moses. The new testament was given reformed by the same entity who gave the Law to Moses.

So we must leave the Jews keeping the Sabbath since they are still waiting for the Messiah.

Jesus did not come to start his own religion following a different God, but rather he came as the Jewish Messiah of Judaism in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and he set a perfect example for us to follow of how to practice Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah. In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousand of Jews were coming to faith who were all zealous for the Torah, which is in accordance with believing that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works (Titus 2:14). So Jews coming to faith were not ceasing to practice Judaism, which means that there was a period of time between the resurrection of Jesus and the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10 that is estimated to be around 7-15 years during which all Christians were Torah observant Jews, so Christianity at its origin was the form of Judaism that recognized Jesus as its prophesied Messiah. So there is nothing about Jews keeping the Sabbath that means that they are still waiting for the Messiah, thought there is something about Gentiles not keeping the Sabbath that mean that they are still waiting for the Messiah.

 

[turbomaniac]

I know it is not possible to convince you but eventually we both going to find out. You can ask your spiritual father about this subject. I have asked mine.

 

[Fred]

I said that someone could do that, so you're still making an irrelevant point.

They can do it if they so choose, but to say the 7th day Sabbath command is still binding is absurd.
No sunset to go by then no sunset command to obey.
Simple.

 

[Fred]

If it is important to keep the Sabbath than it is important also to do the circumcision or sacrifice sheeps?

of course not.

Jesus Christ and Saint Paul had answered about all these things that we must keep from God given law to Moses. The new testament was given reformed by the same entity who gave the Law to Moses.

So we must leave the Jews keeping the Sabbath since they are still waiting for the Messiah.

Great point.
Physical circumcision is no longer required under the New Covenant. In fact, if a male child was to be circumcised on the 8th day and it fell on the 7th day Sabbath then circumcision was to be done.

Since physical circumcision is gone as a requirement then so goes the command to obey the 7th day Sabbath,

 

[Eleanor]

Colossians 2:16 leaves room for two possibilities:
1.) The Colossians were not keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by Jews because they weren't keeping them, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge then for not keeping them.
2.) The Colossians were keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by pagans because they were keeping them, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge them for keeping them.
In Colossians 2:16-23, Paul described the people who were judging the Colossians as teaching human precepts and traditions, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, which means that they were being judged by pagans and that 2.) is the case. The Sabbath is also part of the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:33). In Galatians 3:19, a covenant does not nullify the promises of a covenant that has already been ratified.

Or. . .
3.) They were being proselytized to the Colossian heresy, a happy blend of Jewish law, asceticism and angel worship, to which Paul was exhorting them to let no one take them captive (Col 2:8).

 

[A branch]

They continued to meet on the Sabbath throughout Acts. The command to keep the Sabbath holy does not prohibit meeting on other days or the week, so there is nothing about meeting on Sunday that would mean that they weren't also obeying God's command to keep the Sabbath holy. In Acts 2:46, they were meeting together, breaking bread, and attending the temple on every day. In Mark 7:6-9, Jesus criticized the Pharisees as being hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own tradition, so while we are free to follow a tradition of meeting on Sunday, we should not hypocritically set aside any of God's commands in order to establish that tradition.

It is important to keep in mind that for Jews the day starts at sundown, so a meeting on the 1st day of the week would occur on Saturday night at sundown. Jews have a longstanding tradition of meeting at this time for a Havadalah service to mark the end of the Sabbath and the start of the work week. Jews also don't handle money on the Sabbath, so this was also a time when offerings could be collected. So did not speak from morning until midnight, but rather he spoke from sundown until midnight, then left on Sunday morning to travel. So this does not establish that they met on Sunday morning, and even if they had, it does not establish that this was the start of a new tradition, and even if it was, it does not establish that they hypocritically set aside God's command in order to establish their own tradition, and even if that is what they were doing, it would not establish that we should follow their example of sin.

Acts 11: 26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 29:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
In the Synagogues the jews were still preaching old covenant law. The jews that had acepted Jesus as the Christ knew they were under a new covenant.
Why would god make a New Covenant and Tell Jeremiah to write it is not like the old covenant it is a New Cvoenant. Then tJesus go around and tell everybody to follow the old covenant while he is preaching the new covenant
Matt.4: 127
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

 

[Soyeong]

Acts 11: 26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 29:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Again, the first day of the week starts on Saturday at sundown. Jews have a longstanding tradition of meeting that this time to mark the close of the Sabbath and the start of the work week, so Paul did not speak from morning until midnight, but rather he spoke from sundown until midnight, then left on Sunday morning to travel.

In the Synagogues the jews were still preaching old covenant law. The jews that had acepted Jesus as the Christ knew they were under a new covenant.
Why would god make a New Covenant and Tell Jeremiah to write it is not like the old covenant it is a New Cvoenant. Then tJesus go around and tell everybody to follow the old covenant while he is preaching the new covenant
Matt.4: 127
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Furthermore, Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). So Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example and he did not establish the New Covenant for the purpose of negating his ministry, but rather the New Covenant involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). So following the Mosaic Law is not one of the way that the New Covenant is different from the Mosaic Covenant.

 

[Soyeong]

Or. . .
3.) They were being proselytized to the Colossian heresy, a happy blend of Jewish law, asceticism and angel worship, to which Paul was exhorting them to let no one take them captive (Col 2:8).

It is absurd to think that the Colossians were being judged both for keeping God's holy days and for not keeping them. Christ set a perfect example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so it is absurd to think that teaching people to follow his example is taking people captive by philosophy and empty deceit, are not according to human tradition, are not elemental spirits of the world, but rather they are according to Christ, but rather every aspect of Colossians is describing paganism. Paul describe the elemental spirits of the world in Colossians 2:20-23 as being human teachings and traditions, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, which is in contrast with keeping God's feasts. Nothing is indicating that they were being judged by a happy blend of pagans and Jews.

 

[Soyeong]

They can do it if they so choose, but to say the 7th day Sabbath command is still binding is absurd.
No sunset to go by then no sunset command to obey.
Simple.

There is sunset, it just takes longer than 24 hours. It is also possible to define a day as a 24-hour period. There is still a sunset even if you don't see it.

Great point.
Physical circumcision is no longer required under the New Covenant. In fact, if a male child was to be circumcised on the 8th day and it fell on the 7th day Sabbath then circumcision was to be done.

Since physical circumcision is gone as a requirement then so goes the command to obey the 7th day Sabbath,

It should not make sense to you to interpret the Bible as speaking against obeying God and if you think that the Bible is doing that, then you should still obey God.

 

[Fred]

There is sunset, it just takes longer than 24 hours.

Thus, they can't obey the Old Covenant 7th day Sabbath command.

Your arguments aren't getting any better.

 

[Eleanor]

It is absurd to think that the Colossians were being judged both for keeping God's holy days and for not keeping them.

Depends on which group was doing the blaming, the apostles blaming them for the Colossian heresy, or the Judiazers blaming them for not keeping the Mosaic law (Ac 15:5).

 

[Eleanor]

It is absurd to think that the Colossians were being judged both for keeping God's holy days and for not keeping them.

They aren't in my possibility #3, where those of the Colossian heresy were judging them for not keeping holy days.

 

[A branch]

Again, the first day of the week starts on Saturday at sundown. Jews have a longstanding tradition of meeting that this time to mark the close of the Sabbath and the start of the work week, so Paul did not speak from morning until midnight, but rather he spoke from sundown until midnight, then left on Sunday morning to travel.


In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Furthermore, Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). So Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example and he did not establish the New Covenant for the purpose of negating his ministry, but rather the New Covenant involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). So following the Mosaic Law is not one of the way that the New Covenant is different from the Mosaic Covenant.

I think Jesus spent the Sabbath showing the old Testament and prophets was speaking of the Messiah and that Jesus was the Messiah. The Jews did not believe his testimony and turned against him. It clearly says Matt 13
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
The old law was given only to Israel (Jacob) Gentiles were not any part of it. gentiles were only brought in after the beginning of this my post. And were given what and how to live and I see no where one apostle or Jesus says one must keep the Law of Moses. Also one can not just follow Sabbath or just the 10 commandments one must follow All 613 laws Gal 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

 

[A branch]

Again, the first day of the week starts on Saturday at sundown. Jews have a longstanding tradition of meeting that this time to mark the close of the Sabbath and the start of the work week, so Paul did not speak from morning until midnight, but rather he spoke from sundown until midnight, then left on Sunday morning to travel.


In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Furthermore, Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). So Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example and he did not establish the New Covenant for the purpose of negating his ministry, but rather the New Covenant involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). So following the Mosaic Law is not one of the way that the New Covenant is different from the Mosaic Covenant.

Rom 3
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

1Pet 2
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[Mr GLee]

No.

The Old Covenant command to keep the 7thb day Sabbath is not repeated one time in the New Covenant for Christians to obey.

Interestingly, the other 9 Commandments are repeated in the New Covenant, so they are to be obeyed.

God's rest is eternal. Not just one day a week.

The word rest (sabbath) is not a time sensitive word.

Any 24/7 time we hear his voice and do not harden of our hearts we have entered eternal rest(sabbath) .

Today when ever we hear not Saturday or Sunday.

Hebrews 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

The rest 6th or 7th day was used as a cerinonal sign or shadow of the eternal. The sabbath day as a shadow keep it holy.A sign to the world not unto their own self(self edification)

The whole period of time thier were kings in Israel God set aside again as a shadow of the good thing to come the cross and the new ceremonial law 1 Cortuian 22 the breaking of bread it as a show point to new heavens and earth

Hebrews 9:8-10 The Holy Ghost this signifying, (use a sign the temporal things in a parable ) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure( Parable ) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation

Christ in us is the substance of shadows.

Colossians 2:16-18King James Version16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a "shadow" of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

 

[Hobie]

No.

The Old Covenant command to keep the 7thb day Sabbath is not repeated one time in the New Covenant for Christians to obey.

Interestingly, the other 9 Commandments are repeated in the New Covenant, so they are to be obeyed.

And yet the Creator, Christ says if you love Him to keep His commandments which He wrote with His own finger. Have to think about that and what it means..

 

[Fred]

And yet the Creator, Christ says if you love Him to keep His commandments which He wrote with His own finger. Have to think about that and what it means..

The commandments Christians are to keep are in the New Covenant.
Hebrews 8:13 abrogates all the commands from the Old Covenant.

 

[A branch]

The commandments Christians are to keep are in the New Covenant.
Hebrews 8:13 abrogates all the commands from the Old Covenant.

In Jere 31 it clearly says a New Covenant NOT like the one made with the Fathers. It is a New Covenant and not one thing was brought forward into the New Covenant. People who try to bring old covenant law into the New Covenant omit This verse from the Bible
Jame 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
It is clear one can not pick and choose any part of the Old Law to bring into the New Covenant. The whole law must be followed or the New Covenant must be followed. Jesus was asked several times about the commandments to follow and in all cases he could have said follow the 10 BUT he did not in each case he spoke out of his mouth the commandments to follow. Granted some seem the same as the Ten but they are not the old Ten written on stone. If they were the old ten it would make Jere 31 out to be a lie when it says " I will make a NEW Covenant NOT like the one I made with your fathers. Jesus answered each time with his own words what commandments to follow. and in John 15:10
0 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
He has another chance to say follow the old Ten but again he does not. He states He Himself was made under the old law and He Himself follwed the old law BUT now He says "IF you keep my Commandments as I have kept My fathers; showing his and his Fathers are NOT the Same. Remember Matt 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Heb 1: 2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;