Is Double Predestination Biblical?

[Eternally-Grateful]

The poster in question had someone with the patience of Job and myself put him on ignore in this thread alone, and he insults others from one end of the forum to the other.

Your a newer Christian kind of so you might just consider that.

Wow. I insult people?

I have heard it all now

Note to self. If you do not agree with people you insult them.

 

[David1701]

<sigh> let's go back to the basics of the English language
definition of choice/choose: an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities

The empirical evidence is indisputable the all Christians "selected/made a decision" to belief salvificly

... are you saying you are a Christian and have not "selected/made a decision/choosen" to belief salvificly

<end of sigh>

Aside: now, the ultimate (first) cause of any Christian choosing to belief salvificly is God ... I can give verses if you want

Yes, I state categorically that I did not make a decision to believe savingly!

I was in my room, in March, 1985, reading the Gospel of Luke. To make a long story short, I had realised that I'd broken God's law and was in big trouble (I didn't know how big). One moment I was reading, looking for the answer to my problem, but still without faith in Jesus (although I respected him strongly, based on what I'd read of Luke so far), then I read Luke 23:34 "Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they are doing.” Dividing his garments among them, they cast lots.".

Suddenly (and miraculously), I knew that Jesus had taken my sins and punishments on the cross, dying in my place. I was sobbing with tears of repentance, yet with great joy in my heart at the same time. I knew that Jesus had saved me and I wanted to follow him for the rest of my life.

Yes, I made a decision (to follow Jesus forever) AFTER God had made me born again, giving me repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.

You cannot decide/choose to believe in Jesus; it's a gift from God, not a human decision. Any "faith" that is a result of a human decision is no more than mental assent and/or emotion; it certainly is not saving faith.

I note that you made no attempt to provide any Bible verses saying that faith in Jesus is a result of a human decision; and you can't, because there aren't any.

 

[Arial]

It was humor. I have a high degree of respect for your view point. Granted, prophetess was an exaggeration of my admiration.

Well thanks. I consider myself on the down side of ordinary but life----and I have been around a long time---does teach one to be observant. Or should.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Well thanks. I consider myself on the down side of ordinary but life----and I have been around a long time---does teach one to be observant. Or should.

Since you're around I found that Voddie Baucham sermon, but I didn't want to post it:

https:// youtu.be/XI04WJWG6nI?si=UJV4lmrjFtwa9FaK

^^^ this will save you hunting for the link.. Just close the gap

It's an awesome sermon I already listened to it... Lol.. this will be great in the video section.

 

[Arial]

Since you're around I found that Voddie Baucham sermon, but I didn't want to post it:

https:// youtu.be/XI04WJWG6nI?si=UJV4lmrjFtwa9FaK

^^^ this will save you hunting for the link.. Just close the gap

It's an awesome sermon I already listened to it... Lol.. this will be great in the video section.

I was just looking for it and couldn't find it, so go ahead and post it in videos if you would please. I want to hear it again.

 

[Arial]

Since you're around I found that Voddie Baucham sermon, but I didn't want to post it:

https:// youtu.be/XI04WJWG6nI?si=UJV4lmrjFtwa9FaK

^^^ this will save you hunting for the link.. Just close the gap

It's an awesome sermon I already listened to it... Lol.. this will be great in the video section.

I typed in the URL and still couldn't find it.

 

[David1701]

I typed in the URL and still couldn't find it.

You need to remove the gap before the "y" in "youtu.be".

Youtube link

 

[Arial]

You need to remove the gap before the "y" in "youtu.be".

Youtube link

I never put it in. Could be I miss-typed a letter or more. I will try again later, maybe. Did you bring it up? If so would you post it in the video section?

 

[Arial]

You need to remove the gap before the "y" in "youtu.be".

Youtube link

Ignore post #349 I see you gave a link. All good.

 

[Arial]

Psalm 2 video is up and running!

 

[ReverendRV]

this is true!! Although where are are the arminians?? lol

I haven't seen a real Arminian online in years...

I think I've mentioned this already

 

[Arial]

I haven't seen a real Arminian online in years...

I think I've mentioned this already

I suppose the use of Arminian should be qualified as the modern form of the ism in the church. Like Calvinism has been reduced to to the TULIP Arminianism bears little resemblance to the view of Arminius, and has been reduced to rejecting some points of the doctrines of grace (TULIP) and accepting some or accepting some of them by redefining them.

 

[fastfredy0]

Yes, I state categorically that I did not make a decision to believe savingly!

hmmm ... so you do not believe savingly ? or God is believing for you?

Aside: I think we have a semantic issue

Suddenly (and miraculously), I knew that Jesus had taken my sins and punishments on the cross, dying in my place.

hmmm... I think we have a semantic issue ... when you put it this way I think I see it from your view point. I think the critical point is that we both believe God is the cause of your faith. Lovely testimony by the way.

You cannot decide/choose to believe in Jesus; it's a gift from God, not a human decision.

Agreed. I put it as God causing me to choose Him and you don't call it a choice/decision. Semantic IMO.

 

[DialecticSkeptic]

I haven't seen a real Arminian online in years...

I think I've mentioned this already

They're still around, but they slipped into Pelagianism. They refer to themselves as Provisionists and they are everywhere.

 

[ReverendRV]

They're still around, but they slipped into Pelagianism. They refer to themselves as Provisionists and they are everywhere.

Two different animals...

 

[Rescued One]

They're still around, but they slipped into Pelagianism. They refer to themselves as Provisionists and they are everywhere.

I think most of them have never heard the word Arminian. It isn't mentioned in Wesleyan churches.

 

[atpollard]

I haven't seen a real Arminian online in years...

I think I've mentioned this already

Have you visited “Berean Apologetics Ministries”?
I find BAM to be the antithesis of CCC (It is where I go to take a beating when I am feeling a shortage of hate for “Calvinism” and need to rattle some cages.)

[MOD EDIT: Tried to add a link to the Berean Apologetics Ministry discussion board but it would not work. I am guessing that it doesn't like the *.forum domain name.]

[Edit: I had deliberately left out a link since many Forums frown on linking to other forums.]
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[ReverendRV]

Have you visited “Berean Apologetics Ministries”?
I find BAM to be the antithesis of CCC (It is where I go to take a beating when I am feeling a shortage of hate for “Calvinism” and need to rattle some cages.)

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[MOD EDIT: Tried to add a link to the Berean Apologetics Ministry discussion board but it would not work. I am guessing that it doesn't like the *.forum domain name.​

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[Edit: I had deliberately left out a link since many Forums frown on linking to other forums.]​

Most other Forums get on my nerves, because I'm not looking to fight. This Forum is well controlled...

Non Calvinists may not like it, but I do...

 

[David1701]

hmmm ... so you do not believe savingly ? or God is believing for you?

Aside: I think we have a semantic issue

I think that you have a semantic issue.

The point I made is that our faith in Jesus is not a result of human choice; rather, faith in Jesus is a direct gift from God, so that no-one may boast.

hmmm... I think we have a semantic issue ... when you put it this way I think I see it from your view point. I think the critical point is that we both believe God is the cause of your faith. Lovely testimony by the way.

If you believe that your faith is a result of your choice/decision, then, in that scheme, God would only be an indirect cause of your faith. The direct cause would be your own decision, which is a freewill stance, not a godly stance.

My testimony is of what God did in my life; every such testimony is lovely, because it's all of God.

A "testimony" that places one's own will as the direct cause of faith in Jesus, is not a testimony that glorifies God.

Agreed. I put it as God causing me to choose Him and you don't call it a choice/decision. Semantic IMO.

Where does THE BIBLE say that faith in Jesus is a result of man's choice? It does not...

I know that I did not choose to believe in Jesus. My faith in him was given to me instantaneously and miraculously; it was not the result of me weighing options and deciding to trust in the Lord (that would be mental assent, not genuine faith).

 

[David1701]

I haven't seen a real Arminian online in years...

I think I've mentioned this already

They've become an endangered species. I think one was seen scuttling through the woods recently, grubbing for roots, but corroboration is lacking.