Is belief a choice?

[ElectedbyHim]

I speak in tongues, it’s biblical my friend it’s not nonsense.....I can’t interpret what I speak in tongues though....

When you say speaks to us personally...not really sure what that means...he does minister or witness through us, if we’re open to it...I’m very open to the witness of the Holy Spirit..the Spirit was witnessing through me in my doctors surgery to a receptionist all about the death and resurrection of Jesus..long story on how that came about...so yes...the Spirit most definitely speaks through us..if it’s his will to do so..I don’t believe it can be stopped.Gods will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

I figured you did, that is why i mentioned tongues.

What language is it? Russian, French?

We can open a thread on tongues and the Charismaniac stuff if you like.

Anyhow, I am guilty of going off topic.

Need to get back on topic.

Is belief a choice?​

 

[Ritajanice]

How can anyone say they belief or do not believe what they do not know? Do you think the Holy Spirit ever tells someone to believe something they do not know? Or disbelieve something they do not know?

The Holy Spirit brings scripture to our understanding..like the 5 points of tulip...all in his timing though......total depravity...agreed and understand that one..irresistible grace , yup, God is irresistible...if God chooses to birth us in the Spirit, there can be no stopping it...we were chosen before the foundation of the world....we just don’t know it...not until in Gods timing he gives birth to our spirit.

 

[Josheb]

God would never contradict his word....

Correct.

Therefore, we can reason that anytime Calvin (or Augustine, or Aquinas, or Arminius, or you, me, @Carbon, @Elected, or anyone else is asserting a position that affirms and does not contradict God's word) the Holy Spirit will not steer you or me in a different direction and it might even be the Holy Spirit that brought you or me to that source . Make sense?

The Holy Spirit brings scripture to our understanding..like the 5 points of tulip...all in his timing though......total depravity...agreed and understand that one..irresistible grace , yup, God is irresistible...if God chooses to birth us in the Spirit, there can be no stopping it...we were chosen before the foundation of the world....we just don’t know it...not until in Gods timing he gives birth to our spirit.

Yeah, sorta.

If a person hears/reads any given set of information over and over, again and again, and that information aligns with scripture then the Holy Spirit's "timing" was the first time the information was provided and the one requiring repetition is wrestling with his or her flesh, not the Holy Spirit.

Let me take a moment to make note of something. This op is about whether or not belief is a choice. Everything else is off topic. I read several posters posting about tangential matters (like speaking in tongues). I have also read you several times post things that are correct, but they read like you're trying to placate the reader or otherwise assure us of some kind of bona fides you possess. Other may want or need that, but when you trade posts with me once will be enough. Say your piece and let's move on with the discussion together. I do not need scripture uoted to me, and I definitely don't need it quoted to me to prove you know something. Your posts will be your best witness and the sum of them will either be consistent or not. I will affirm them when correct, refute them where they are not correct, and ask questions when I am not sure what to make of the post. I expect the same from you. Sound reasonable and fair?

We were discussing TULIP, and discussing TULIP relevant to this op. Posts 259 and 262 were addressed to me but they do not address the contents of Post #256. Would you please do me the courtesy of responding to what's posted there? TULIP was clarified and it was clarified in a manner that (hopefully) you can reconcile with scripture and, therefore, the Holy Spirit's illumination and witness. If you like, I can post relevant scripture for each of the five points, but you seem to already have a fair grasp of scripture. If not, just ask and I will gladly make the scripture-only case for any of the five points.


In the end, if the TULIP representation of Calvinism reconciles with God's word without flaw, then Calvinism is scriptural and additional testimony from the Spirit is unnecessary. It' kind of like asking a mechanic what oil viscosity your car takes. He's just going to ask you, "What does your owner's manual state?" Same thing with the Spirit. Asking the Spirit something that's already been revealed in the written word is a vain request. He's going to ask you, "What does the Owner's manual state?" The Spirit and the word will never contradict and waiting on the Spirit to measure a doctrine when the word will almost always be the first witness is risky, potentially bordering on disobedience.


So let's give Calvinism a test. Please respond to Post 256 and let's move the discussion about whether or not belief is a choice forward.

 

[Ladodgers6]

The Bible is not God...it confirms who God is?....why do you think Spirit must give birth to spirit?...do you understand that God is a Living Spirit...how would you know that God or Jesus even exist?...you are going to need more that studying your Bible my friend..you may well be following the teachings of Jesus via his Bible.....how could you possibly know that your spirit is Born Again?...do you even know that you have a spirit?

I understand what you are saying, but the Word of God was give to us for a reason. To dismiss it as if it has no relevance for the Christian life and instruction is incorrect. All false religions and false teachers have deceived many because they do not know the Bible. Paul says we must grow in the knowledge of the Lord. BTW, we must not separate God from His word or vice versa. Our hearts is the last thing we should trust in, instead we must believe and trust in Him who saves sinners.

2 Peter 3:17 Therefore, beloved, since you already know these things, be on your guard so that you will not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure standing. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

Mysticism has plagued the church since the beginning.​

 

[Ritajanice]

Correct.

Therefore, we can reason that anytime Calvin (or Augustine, or Aquinas, or Arminius, or you, me, @Carbon, @Elected, or anyone else is asserting a position that affirms and does not contradict God's word) the Holy Spirit will not steer you or me in a different direction and it might even be the Holy Spirit that brought you or me to that source . Make sense?

Yeah, sorta.

If a person hears/reads any given set of information over and over, again and again, and that information aligns with scripture then the Holy Spirit's "timing" was the first time the information was provided and the one requiring repetition is wrestling with his or her flesh, not the Holy Spirit.

Let me take a moment to make note of something. This op is about whether or not belief is a choice. Everything else is off topic. I read several posters posting about tangential matters (like speaking in tongues). I have also read you several times post things that are correct, but they read like you're trying to placate the reader or otherwise assure us of some kind of bona fides you possess. Other may want or need that, but when you trade posts with me once will be enough. Say your piece and let's move on with the discussion together. I do not need scripture uoted to me, and I definitely don't need it quoted to me to prove you know something. Your posts will be your best witness and the sum of them will either be consistent or not. I will affirm them when correct, refute them where they are not correct, and ask questions when I am not sure what to make of the post. I expect the same from you. Sound reasonable and fair?

We were discussing TULIP, and discussing TULIP relevant to this op. Posts 259 and 262 were addressed to me but they do not address the contents of Post #256. Would you please do me the courtesy of responding to what's posted there? TULIP was clarified and it was clarified in a manner that (hopefully) you can reconcile with scripture and, therefore, the Holy Spirit's illumination and witness. If you like, I can post relevant scripture for each of the five points, but you seem to already have a fair grasp of scripture. If not, just ask and I will gladly make the scripture-only case for any of the five points.


In the end, if the TULIP representation of Calvinism reconciles with God's word without flaw, then Calvinism is scriptural and additional testimony from the Spirit is unnecessary. It' kind of like asking a mechanic what oil viscosity your car takes. He's just going to ask you, "What does your owner's manual state?" Same thing with the Spirit. Asking the Spirit something that's already been revealed in the written word is a vain request. He's going to ask you, "What does the Owner's manual state?" The Spirit and the word will never contradict and waiting on the Spirit to measure a doctrine when the word will almost always be the first witness is risky, potentially bordering on disobedience.


So let's give Calvinism a test. Please respond to Post 256 and let's move the discussion about whether or not belief is a choice forward.

No Josheb..the Holy Spirit didn’t bring me here to be taught by you....most of what you have posted here makes no sense...becoming Born Again is very easy to understand, provided it was the Spirit who birthed our spirit...we are all on our own journey with the Lord..I’m not here to be quizzed by you ...maybe you should ask yourself the same questions that you have asked me....because they make no sense to me and they don’t have to because the Spirit is my master...I don’t have to answer one question of yours...you seem to think you have it all right..which I’ve underlined for you..be open to learning Josef,..if you think that you know it all, then you are walking on dangerous territory..just saying, bye.

 

[Ritajanice]

I understand what you are saying,​

If you understand what I’m saying it would have been nice that you answered my questions...maybe Josef could have done the same....Flesh gives birth to flesh...Spirit gives birth to spirit....how would you know that your spirit is Born Again?...remember what you said to me...Mysticism plagued the church since the beginning...one could well be following Jesus of the Bible and yet has no spiritual knowledge of Jesus in their heart...it happens all the time..you can tell a religious person a mile off.

but the Word of God was give to us for a reason. To dismiss it as if it has no relevance for the Christian life and instruction is incorrect. All false religions and false teachers have deceived many because they do not know the Bible. Paul says we must grow in the knowledge of the Lord. BTW, we must not separate God from His word or vice versa. Our hearts is the last thing we should trust in, instead we must believe and trust in Him who saves sinners.

2 Peter 3:17 Therefore, beloved, since you already know these things, be on your guard so that you will not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure standing. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

Mysticism has plagued the church since the beginning.​

The word of God is confirmation..it confirms how we are Born Again of imperishable seed...no one is dismissing the word of God..it’s those who dismiss Gods Living testimony the Holy Spirit, that has my concern, you could have a degree in theology, that does not mean that their spirit is Born Again...also quoting scripture does not mean that one’s spirit is Born Again...

By the way we must be sure not to mistake the Bible for the Living God..God can’t be contained he is not a Bible..also a few of you guys make me laugh..you are very good at firing questions..but, when I ask you questions...they get ignored..hmmm, that’s telling in itself...our heart is to seek the Lord God out..just as his word confirms..yet you make no mention of that..it’s a shame when some only want to control the discussion and have no intention of listening to others...only posting their own beliefs ..many have been indoctrinated also...very sad..bye as I can see that discussion here hasn’t changed...it’s the same brigade who run the show....

 

[prism]

Who is the witness of Gods word...the Bible or the supernatural Living Holy Spirit?...who witnesses Gods truth to our spirit/ heart...?...the carnal mind has no understanding of the Spirit...

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The witness of Gods word is Alive and Active, the Bible confirms this?

Who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, the Bible or the Living Holy Spirit?

The Bible does not give birth to our spirit, the Spirit does that, no Bible can birth your spirit..the Bible “ confirms “ how we become Born Again....

Who is Gods witness?...The Living Holy Spirit?...or the Bible?..

How would I know that it is the Spirit “ testifying “ with my spirit that I am Gods child....that’s a man made question.....my spirit recognised the testimony of the Living Holy Spirit straight away, ...

Reading the bible does not bring your spirit Alive in Christ...only the Living Spirit can do that..

How do you know that your spirit is Born Again?.....by whose Living testimony?

1 John 5:7-8 NKJV
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. [8] And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

 

[Ritajanice]

1 John 5:7-8 NKJV
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. [8] And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

If one posts scripture then one should be able to interpret it..?

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children...how would I know this?..just by reading a Bible and believing it?

Or believing the the testimony of the Living Holy Spirit?..when Spirit gives birth to spirit...please clarify if you understand what I’m saying @prism ?

Romans 8:16​

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16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Flesh gives birth to flesh = human birth.

Spirit gives birth to spirit = Supernatural Living birth by Gods Living testimony the Holy Spirit.

Both births are Alive and Active....

How do you know God and how do you know that Jesus died and was resurrected?

Do you also know the Love Of God in your heart, maybe @Josheb and @Ladodgers6 can answer this question?..how do you know that God loves us?...they seem to fire an awful lot of questions my way, yet don’t answer my questions...that’s a one way discussion, which is no discussion at all...

 

[prism]

How do you know God and how do you know that Jesus died and was resurrected?

Do you also know the Love Of God in your heart, maybe @Josheb and @Ladodgers6 can answer this question?..how do you know that God loves us?...they seem to fire an awful lot of questions my way, yet don’t answer my questions...that’s a one way discussion, which is no discussion at all...

I can't answer for them, but I know God loves us through the new birth and His Spirit has been shedin our heart, besides God's Word says no grearer love does a man have than laying down his life or his friends and Jesus took that quite a bit farther by laying down His life for those who were His enemies...
Romans 5:8-10 NKJV
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. [9] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. [10] For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

There needs to be a balance between God's Word and God's Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

I can't answer for them, but I know God loves us through the new birth and His Spirit has been shedin our heart

My question is, how do we know that we have been reborn, in other words what in us knows that it’s been reborn and by whose testimony?and how would you know that his Spirit has been shedin in your heart?....

, besides God's Word says no grearer love does a man have than laying down his life or his friends and Jesus took that quite a bit farther by laying down His life for those who were His enemies...
Romans 5:8-10 NKJV
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. [9] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. [10] For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

There needs to be a balance between God's Word and God's Spirit.

Ah, so you have read that from the Bible?

I see...well..I know that God is pure Love the moment he birthed my spirit into his...Spirit gives birth to spirit...he filled my heart with so much Love, that it blew my mind and still does....God is very much a Living Spirit...and he is a God Of Love...the Holy Spirit testifies to our heart how much God Loves us..when our spirit becomes Born Again of His imperishable seed....it’s a Love like no other...no one on the planet can Love us like God does.

God reveals his Love to our heart, once it’s Born Again of His imperishable seed....His Living seed resides in our heart, that is where the seed of supernatural faith will grow...because it was planted by Gods Living testimony, the Holy Spirit....we have a new heart and spirit within.

 

[Ritajanice]

There needs to be a balance between God's Word and God's Spirit.

Which means what?

 

[Hazelelponi]

How do you know God and how do you know that Jesus died and was resurrected?

Hello. I hope you don't mind me interjecting a few thoughts please

I was saved out of Islam.

Did you know things like dreams and visions are common to Muslims and are things they believe in and will follow? The problem is, not every spirit is from God, so we test the spirits as Christians.

We do this by comparing everything against the Word of God written, making sure we are understanding the issues carefully.

The problem we face is that prophecy is not a matter of private interpretation--and the Bible written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is prophecy--therefore when we want to know the truth of any matter, should there be a matter of question, we take it to the Church, and to Scripture.

For hundreds of years the Church has been under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit interpreting the Scriptures, explaining the Word with clarity in our own languages.

When I was first being drawn to Christ I was given a deep and burning need to understand why the Christians thought Jesus has to die in order to forgive the sins of men.

God led me to a Christian man who knew Scripture and Islam enough to have a real discussion with me, and of course everything I asked of him I also asked of the sheikh (Islamic "holy" man)

The spirit world is real, and spirits do attack Christians, not just non-Christians.

So when Christians have a question, or a spirit telling them this thing or that, or we feel a conviction of this thing or that, we check it against Scriptures, and the Church's Holy Spirit led interpretation of those Scriptures.

For a long time after leaving Islam, "religion" terrified me. I didn’t trust people. I found a place to hide—comfortably, quietly—but it wasn’t the place I was reborn for. It wasn’t where I belonged. Over time, God has been teaching me to trust His people—to love His Church, because she is the Bride of Christ. And now I do.

Just yesterday at the meeting, we shared communion. A couple of the elders stood and gave their testimonies—how they came to know Christ. It was beautiful to be with God’s people, gathered as one body in worship and remembrance. We’re not perfect. But we are His.

Scripture is the final word. It judges our thoughts and discerns the heart (cf. Hebrews 4:12). It corrects, exhorts, comforts, and instructs us in righteousness (cf. 2 Timothy 3:16). It tells us how to live as children of the Living God, and it cannot be overthrown—not by sheikhs, not by false prophets, not by the world.

It is the Living Word in written form. And when we speak it, we do not breathe out our own birth story, but the crucified and risen Christ—because He is our life.

And that breath, that Spirit filled breath breathing Christ crucified is what changes lives

 

[Ritajanice]

Hello. I hope you don't mind me interjecting a few thoughts please

I was saved out of Islam.

Did you know things like dreams and visions are common to Muslims and are things they believe in and will follow? The problem is, not every spirit is from God, so we test the spirits as Christians.

We test the spirits as Born Again, by referring to Gods word...all that is testified with our spirit by the Holy Spirit should line up with scripture ...some think they can read being Born Again into play...they can’t...becoming Born Again is solely the act of the Living Holy Spirit...we are predestined to become spirit children of God before we were even born.

‘Tis The Spirit who gives birth to spirit..no Bible can do that ,plus you don’t need any bible reading to become Born Again..you only need to know about Jesus.

We do this by comparing everything against the Word of God written, making sure we are understanding the issues carefully.

The problem we face is that prophecy is not a matter of private interpretation--and the Bible written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is prophecy--therefore when we want to know the truth of any matter, should there be a matter of question, we take it to the Church, and to Scripture.

For hundreds of years the Church has been under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit interpreting the Scriptures, explaining the Word with clarity in our own languages.

When I was first being drawn to Christ I was given a deep and burning need to understand why the Christians thought Jesus has to die in order to forgive the sins of men.

God led me to a Christian man who knew Scripture and Islam enough to have a real discussion with me, and of course everything I asked of him I also asked of the sheikh (Islamic "holy" man)

The spirit world is real, and spirits do attack Christians, not just non-Christians.

So when Christians have a question, or a spirit telling them this thing or that, or we feel a conviction of this thing or that, we check it against Scriptures, and the Church's Holy Spirit led interpretation of those Scriptures.

For a long time after leaving Islam, "religion" terrified me. I didn’t trust people. I found a place to hide—comfortably, quietly—but it wasn’t the place I was reborn for. It wasn’t where I belonged. Over time, God has been teaching me to trust His people—to love His Church, because she is the Bride of Christ. And now I do.

Just yesterday at the meeting, we shared communion. A couple of the elders stood and gave their testimonies—how they came to know Christ. It was beautiful to be with God’s people, gathered as one body in worship and remembrance. We’re not perfect. But we are His.

Scripture is the final word. It judges our thoughts and discerns the heart (cf. Hebrews 4:12). It corrects, exhorts, comforts, and instructs us in righteousness (cf. 2 Timothy 3:16). It tells us how to live as children of the Living God, and it cannot be overthrown—not by sheikhs, not by false prophets, not by the world.

It is the Living Word in written form. And when we speak it, we do not breathe out our own birth story, but the crucified and risen Christ—because He is our life.

And that breath, that Spirit filled breath breathing Christ crucified is what changes lives

Thanks for your testimony..

Scripture backs up Gods Living testimony the Holy Spirit....and no..the written word is not the Living God, the word confirms who God is, he is a Living Spirit Of Purity and Love..there is no sin in the Living Spirit Of God.

The written word was written under the influence of men...The Living God is very much Alive and Active..how else can the Spirit Of God birth our spirit, if not by his Living testimony the Holy Spirit?

The Bible confirms how the Spirit births our spirit into his...Spirit gives birth to spirit?...

 

[Hazelelponi]

The written word was written under the influence of men...T

No, men spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Reading those words is reading God speaking to you. Hearing those words is hearing God speak to you.

Believing those words is believing God.

 

[Ritajanice]

No, men spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

They were under the influence of the Spirit..the Spirit gave them the words to write down.

Reading those words is reading God speaking to you. Hearing those words is hearing God speak to you.

Hearing the written word..how can you hear the written word?

We hear the teachings from the Spirit, the Bible confirms how we hear from God..we are led by the Holy Spirit..how do you think Jesus was led by God?..do you think that he had to refer to The Bible? @Hazelelponi


The Spirit speaks and testifies to our heart who we are in Christ..the Bible confirms how Spirit gives birth to spirit?..which means what?

Flesh gives birth to flesh = human birth
Spirit gives birth to spirit = supernatural Living birth, that comes by the heart revelation from the testimony of the Living Holy Spirit.

Believing those words is believing God.

Believing the testimony of the Living Holy Spirit when Spirit gives birth to spirit..which then lines up with the Bible...the rebirth is a mighty Living birth..it’s not something that you read .

How do you think that Mary became pregnant by the Holy Spirit?

Do you understand that God is a Living Pure Holy Spirit?

Or do you think that the Bible is God?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Jesus was led by God?..do you think that he had to refer to The Bible? @Hazelelponi

Jesus referred to the Scriptures continually, that's what Jesus was, He was a Rabbi who taught the Scriptures to His disciples and the people who wanted to learn.

This is where we get the Bible from, and why we have it. These are the Books Jesus taught from and what He and His disciples and apostles taught about how t interpret them in light of the New Covenant.

Do you understand that God is a Living Pure Holy Spirit?

Of course.

Or do you think that the Bible is God?

No the Bible is not God, but it is the special revelation of God, in the words of the Holy Spirit as men were carried to speak, to God's Covenant people (whether natural or adopted).

 

[Ritajanice]

Jesus referred to the Scriptures continually, that's what Jesus was, He was a Rabbi who taught the Scriptures to His disciples and the people who wanted to learn.

Jesus was led by the Holy Spirit..he came to spread the good news..everything that the Father asked Jesus to do he did with 100% obedience, right up to dying on a cross...

It’s because of the death and resurrection of Jesus that we can become Born Again..

This is where we get the Bible from, and why we have it. These are the Books Jesus taught from and what He and His disciples and apostles taught about how t interpret them in light of the New Covenant.

The Bible confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit, Jesus explains to Nicodemas how we are Born Of The Spirit....you never know when the Living Holy Spirit will birth our spirit into his..

Of course.

How do you know that God is a Living Spirit?

No the Bible is not God, but it is the special revelation of God, in the words of the Holy Spirit as men were carried to speak, to God's Covenant people (whether natural or adopted).

The Living Holy Spirit is the special revelation of God..the Bible confirms this, without the Spirit we are still in darkness and sin...the Holy Spirit regenerates our spirit brings it from death into his new life..we receive a new heart and spirit within, when our spirit becomes Born Again..in the world no longer of the world..we are in the Supernatural Kingdom Of God....

 

[Hazelelponi]

Jesus was led by the Holy Spirit..he came to spread the good news..everything that the Father asked Jesus to do he did with 100% obedience, right up to dying on a cross...

It’s because of the death and resurrection of Jesus that we can become Born Again..

. Jesus' obedience to the Father was no less the obedience required of man under the Law, it was His perfect obedience to this law that made Him our Savior and confirmed Him as God the Son, as He did for us what we couldn't do for ourselves. As the second Adam when we are born again of the Spirit we are born into the New Covenant, and into the household of God.

That has real and tangible meaning, it's not some spiritual high that requires nothing of you. We find this meaning in His written Word.

God is a God of order and of structure, not of chaos.

At any rate I will leave you to speak with more mature believers than I. God bless you. I wasn't intending to run into anything I just wanted to point out something quickly.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Jesus was led by the Holy Spirit..he came to spread the good news..everything that the Father asked Jesus to do he did with 100% obedience, right up to dying on a cross...

It’s because of the death and resurrection of Jesus that we can become Born Again..

The Bible confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit, Jesus explains to Nicodemas how we are Born Of The Spirit....you never know when the Living Holy Spirit will birth our spirit into his..


How do you know that God is a Living Spirit?

The Living Holy Spirit is the special revelation of God..the Bible confirms this, without the Spirit we are still in darkness and sin...the Holy Spirit regenerates our spirit brings it from death into his new life..we receive a new heart and spirit within, when our spirit becomes Born Again..in the world no longer of the world..we are in the Supernatural Kingdom Of God....

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

 

[Ritajanice]

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Yes, the Bible is not Alive and Active....Gods Living testimony is Alive and Active..the Living Holy Spirit..just like when Mary became pregnant by the power of the Spirit....she never became pregnant by any Bible.

[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Spirit gives birth to spirit...Flesh gives birth to flesh...both Living Active births...Born Again of imperishable seed..which is Alive and Active in the heart of Gods child...when their spirit becomes Born Again.

We have a new heart and spirit within, the moment the Spirit births our spirit into his.

A New Heart and Spirit
…25I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols. 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spiritwithin you; I will remove your heart of stoneand give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances.