In all the religious clutter of disputes and arguments, what are the only essential doctrines of salvation?

[EarlyActs]

Here is one of the Commandments that Jesus spoke out of His on mouth while on earth.

Matt 19
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

That’s several of them. I really don’t know what you mean. Those several are the ethical core he was preserving. He did not preserve the ceremonial or dietary.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

It is abolished
Eph 2
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

This is not referring to the law of God. It is referring to the enmity created by the law. If we look at other references that Paul made regarding this subject such as, Col 2:14, which states, “having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” We can see that it is the punishment due us that has been canceled.

If what you claim is true then Paul contradicted himself.

Romans 7:12​

So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

You don't believe God is love. It is God and Jesus' teachings.

You don't accept Jesus' word.

I know how firmly those who believe as you do cling to that belief even though it is problematic.

 

[grace2]

I know how firmly those who believe as you do cling to that belief even though it is problematic.

ramble on.

bye.

 

[A branch]

Luke 16
16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
John 5
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Rom 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 8
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 10
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
2 Corin 3
3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Gal 2
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 3
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 5
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Phill 3
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
this should give yall plenty to explain away as that is what you do so well

 

[EarlyActs]

This is not referring to the law of God. It is referring to the enmity created by the law. If we look at other references that Paul made regarding this subject such as, Col 2:14, which states, “having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” We can see that it is the punishment due us that has been canceled.

If what you claim is true then Paul contradicted himself.

Romans 7:12​

So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

But the direct object of the Eph 2 line is the law, not the enmity. Apparently there is a feature about it that warrants canceling.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

But the direct object of the Eph 2 line is the law, not the enmity. Apparently there is a feature about it that warrants canceling.

I have to take Ephesians 2 in light of what the rest of the Bible says about the Law including what the apostle Paul says about it. Paul does not support the idea that the Law was ever abolished and indeed if it was it draws into question the purpose of the Cross for if I abolish the law, there is no more sin, and consequently no need to atone for that which does not exist.

I think the Amplified version of the bible helps clarify the meaning of Eph 2:15.

By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.

So, the word "abolish" here is translated from the Greek word katargēsas, which basically means to make things stop or take away all its power. Paul's point is that the Law had done its job. He's cool with the law in other places (Romans 7:12; 1 Timothy 1:8), but here he's saying it doesn't keep Jews and Gentiles apart anymore. Now, believers should be all about shared salvation in Jesus, making us one big family.

Instead of the old beef between Jews and Gentiles, God's idea with the gospel is a family that's all about Christ, not rules, but rooted in salvation. And guess what? The outcome is "peace." Paul starts, highlights, and ends his letter with peace (Ephesians 1:2, 2:14, 15, 17, 4:3, 6:15, 6:23). Peace is his deal here. Peace between Jews and Gentiles, especially in a city that's had its fair share of wars. Everyone's after peace, and Paul says you find it in the one Lord Jesus Christ and not the law.

 

[EarlyActs]

I have to take Ephesians 2 in light of what the rest of the Bible says about the Law including what the apostle Paul says about it. Paul does not support the idea that the Law was ever abolished and indeed if it was it draws into question the purpose of the Cross for if I abolish the law, there is no more sin, and consequently no need to atone for that which does not exist.

I think the Amplified version of the bible helps clarify the meaning of Eph 2:15.

By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.

So, the word "abolish" here is translated from the Greek word katargēsas, which basically means to make things stop or take away all its power. Paul's point is that the Law had done its job. He's cool with the law in other places (Romans 7:12; 1 Timothy 1:8), but here he's saying it doesn't keep Jews and Gentiles apart anymore. Now, believers should be all about shared salvation in Jesus, making us one big family.

Instead of the old beef between Jews and Gentiles, God's idea with the gospel is a family that's all about Christ, not rules, but rooted in salvation. And guess what? The outcome is "peace." Paul starts, highlights, and ends his letter with peace (Ephesians 1:2, 2:14, 15, 17, 4:3, 6:15, 6:23). Peace is his deal here. Peace between Jews and Gentiles, especially in a city that's had its fair share of wars. Everyone's after peace, and Paul says you find it in the one Lord Jesus Christ and not the law.

That's all good, but another way to focus on the core of the law is to say that Paul did not advocate 2 laws about adultery. Does that help you see it's current role? If he did, there would be enmity between groups about that (and sometimes there is! believe it or not). It is possible to have harmony about the core, but the dietary and ceremonial more often create discord.

So yes, the core of it is still a guide, and it still has the role of 'revealing sin in sinful man' to press us to Christ.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

That's all good, but another way to focus on the core of the law is to say that Paul did not advocate 2 laws about adultery. Does that help you see it's current role? If he did, there would be enmity between groups about that (and sometimes there is! believe it or not). It is possible to have harmony about the core, but the dietary and ceremonial more often create discord.

So yes, the core of it is still a guide, and it still has the role of 'revealing sin in sinful man' to press us to Christ.

Agreed. The dietary laws were Fulfilled by Christ death on the cross. As we’re all the ceremonial laws which pointed to his death and resurrection. No laws are abolished but some were definitely fulfilled.

 

[donadams]

Is it lawful to reject a truth revealed by God cos you don’t think it’s essential?

Christ reveals the Christian faith Jude 1:3, we must believe all!

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:2

Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

 

[Mercy_Shown]

Is it lawful to reject a truth revealed by God cos you don’t think it’s essential?

Christ reveals the Christian faith Jude 1:3, we must believe all!

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:2

Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

Correct, only the Holy Spirit can give us the correct interpretation of scripture.

 

[donadams]

Correct, only the Holy Spirit can give us the correct interpretation of scripture.

Where do you get that idea?

The church! We must hear the church Matt 18:17


Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

 

[Mercy_Shown]

Where do you get that idea?

John 16: 13
However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

 

[Mercy_Shown]

Where do you get that idea?

The church! We must hear the church Matt 18:17


Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

Question: Was your teaching sanctioned by a priest or pope before you posted it?

 

[donadams]

John 16: 13
However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come.

Speaking only of the church of the apostles then they are commanded to teach us! Matt 28:19


Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:2

Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

 

[donadams]

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

The apostolic church yes!

 

[donadams]

Question: Was your teaching sanctioned by a priest or pope before you posted it?

I’m not a teacher, or apologist, or a priest, certainly not a pope!

Why don’t you believe in the papacy and new covenant priesthood established by Christ?

 

[Mercy_Shown]

The apostolic church yes!

Where is that distinction made?

 

[Mercy_Shown]

I’m not a teacher, or apologist, or a priest, certainly not a pope!

Why don’t you believe in the papacy and new covenant priesthood established by Christ?

Because Christ said that by their fruit we could know whether they spoke from God or not. I think Catholics are like all other Christians some will be saved and some will not. Those who are saved will be saved the same way all other Christians are saved, by the blood of Christ.

Now I would heartily agree with you that if a person is living in sin and rebelling against Christ they are lost because they do not know Christ and have never accepted His salvation. Jesus does not save us in our sins, He saves us from our sins.