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In all the religious clutter of disputes and arguments, what are the only essential doctrines of salvation?

Nicodemus could not see the kingdom of God at work bc he was confined in physical descent (lineage) in Judaism. He could not see the kingdom doing things.

While there is a new life, it happens when a person understands vs 16+—that God was in Christ and made a way for condemnation from sin to be taken away through the righteousness that Christ completed.
 
grace2 said:
You have to be born again for salvation.

I will teach you what it means:

You have to trust all that Jesus says and do them.

Jesus is the Lord. If you are not born again, your devotion is not for Jesus.
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everything I have posted is only about Jesus being in complete 100% control of everything given to Jesus by the Father.
The old law was til John it is gone now no one needs follow old law
Rom 9
29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
 
A branch said:
everything I have posted is only about Jesus being in complete 100% control of everything given to Jesus by the Father.
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What you say and what you do is the opposite.

You don't accept Him as the Lord by dismissing His word of His Father as His God.

bye.
 
EarlyActs said:
Nicodemus could not see the kingdom of God at work bc he was confined in physical descent (lineage) in Judaism. He could not see the kingdom doing things.

While there is a new life, it happens when a person understands vs 16+—that God was in Christ and made a way for condemnation from sin to be taken away through the righteousness that Christ completed.
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Your reasoning is meaningless.

You are not born again.

bye.
 
grace2 said:
You have to be born again for salvation.

I will teach you what it means:

You have to trust all that Jesus says and do them.

Jesus is the Lord. If you are not born again, your devotion is not for Jesus.
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Show a verse that "Jesus says follow the old law or follow the old ten commandments" I can not find any verse that says that. I can post about 30 Verses that say the Law is done away with if you like.
 
grace2 said:
Your reasoning is meaningless.

You are not born again.

bye.
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That's not for you to say, friend. I have been a Christian for 50 years. I know my way around. This does not change that Jn 3's person (Nicodemus) was being told how to see the kingdom at work. Being born from above is not a command from Christ like 'you shall not steal.' It is a description of a problem.
 
grace2 said:
What you say and what you do is the opposite.

You don't accept Him as the Lord by dismissing His word of His Father as His God.

bye.
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grace2 said:
What you say and what you do is the opposite.

You don't accept Him as the Lord by dismissing His word of His Father as His God.

bye.
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Eph 1
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
 
Bob Carabbio said:
Simple -
When you are CONVICTED OF YOUR SIN by the Holy Spirit (the beginning of FAITH), you're then able to REPENT of your SIN and cry out to God IN FAITH for salvation.

THEN you're "Born Again", and indwelled by the Holy Spirit, who'll lead you into truth when you take HIS YOKE upon you, and start learning of Him, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit being your primary sources.

SOME Church systems can help your journey, But Other NON-BIBLICAL church systems can lead into confusion.

Ignorance of what the Bible says, makes you FAIR GAME for deception.
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Well put. God saves those who choose to commit their ways to Him.
 
A branch said:
Show a verse that "Jesus says follow the old law or follow the old ten commandments" I can not find any verse that says that. I can post about 30 Verses that say the Law is done away with if you like.
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But justification is the question. The only thing that solves this is the justifying righteousness of Christ, which is not an experience inside us, even though we become more like him. It is credited, imputed. That is very different from internal change, and has to do with sin as a debt, like the classic hymn 'Rock of Ages.'
 
EarlyActs said:
But justification is the question. The only thing that solves this is the justifying righteousness of Christ, which is not an experience inside us, even though we become more like him. It is credited, imputed. That is very different from internal change, and has to do with sin as a debt, like the classic hymn 'Rock of Ages.'
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Gal 2
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
 
EarlyActs said:
But justification is the question. The only thing that solves this is the justifying righteousness of Christ, which is not an experience inside us, even though we become more like him. It is credited, imputed. That is very different from internal change, and has to do with sin as a debt, like the classic hymn 'Rock of Ages.'
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My question is: If the law was done away with, what are we justified to? A follow-up question would be: If the law was done away with then what condemned Christ to death?
 
Mercy_Shown said:
My question is: If the law was done away with, what are we justified to? A follow-up question would be: If the law was done away with then what condemned Christ to death?
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There is no being justified to. Did you mean ...to do? That would be to the heart of the law, not the ceremonial and dietary.

Yes sinning against the law (by others) was laid on him.
 
Mercy_Shown said:
My question is: If the law was done away with, what are we justified to? A follow-up question would be: If the law was done away with then what condemned Christ to death?
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See Gal 2:16 you are justified by having Faith in Jesus the one sent by God the Father to Save us , the same one that Israel rejected. If you believe in Jesus then the free gift of justification is accounted as righteous thru Jesus by god the Father
 
A branch said:
See Gal 2:16 you are justified by having Faith in Jesus the one sent by God the Father to Save us , the same one that Israel rejected. If you believe in Jesus then the free gift of justification is accounted as righteous thru Jesus by god the Father
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Yes, but the question is justified to what? What is the metric that we are justified to. Christ suffered and died to take our wages of sin upon Himself that we might live eternall through and with him. But where there is no law, there is no sin, so if the law is done away with, there was no need for Chrst to suffer for our sins since we could not be guilty of law breaking.

Perhaps the laws has not been done away with but it has been fulfilled by Christ so that we may face it fully justified to its standards because of Chrost's imputed rigteousness. This would explain a lot. Paul never says that the law itself was done away with, he only states that we have a righteousness apart from its works which none of us could accomplish anyway.
 
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