In all the religious clutter of disputes and arguments, what are the only essential doctrines of salvation?

[Mercy_Shown]

There is no being justified to. Did you mean ...to do? That would be to the heart of the law, not the ceremonial and dietary.

Yes sinning against the law (by others) was laid on him.

Indeed justification is done to a standard. Just as you can justfy text to a margin, alligining all text to that margin. When we are justified we are brought equal to the margin of eternal righteousness. But what defines righteousness? Even Paul says, "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law."

The law stands as it always has and we stand justified to its margin, fully righteous as its precepts demand. But did we get this rigteousness from the law. No, we were givin it apart from doing the works of the law. We were given it by the infinite price Christ paid on the cross.

 

[A branch]

Yes, but the question is justified to what? What is the metric that we are justified to. Christ suffered and died to take our wages of sin upon Himself that we might live eternall through and with him. But where there is no law, there is no sin, so if the law is done away with, there was no need for Chrst to suffer for our sins since we could not be guilty of law breaking.

Perhaps the laws has not been done away with but it has been fulfilled by Christ so that we may face it fully justified to its standards because of Chrost's imputed rigteousness. This would explain a lot. Paul never says that the law itself was done away with, he only states that we have a righteousness apart from its works which none of us could accomplish anyway.

The law was not done away with until after Jesus was raised from the dead. He brought the New Covenant to Israel first and they rejected him as the Messiah/Savior. They also rejected the New covenant that would include Faith in that messiah/Savior. All Power was ginen to Jesus the Son by God the Father. Jesus had authority to make all NEW LAW under the New Covenant. He spoke in the Red Letters of the Bible the Law. we are justified to the New Law Jesus put in the New Covenant. Jesus had fulfill the Law in order to set it aside and he did, Matt 5:17 and he also gave us a way to set the old law aside also. The old law is not used anymore I can give 20 or more verses that say old law is no longer in use.
see below
John 5
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Rom 3
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
jere 31
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Heb 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Matt 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Gal 5
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[grace2]

A man's way are right in his own eyes.

Triun god is man-made.

 

[EarlyActs]

I don't think we disagree, however, it is generally understood that the life Christ lived was his righteousness, while the sacrificial death was a payment of suffering for the debt of sin. In a few cases, it is near impossible to see the difference. In the 1st few of Rom 8, his life of righteousness did what the law could not do in an ordinary human.

This thread is asking for clutter to be cleared away from the essential. The essential is the righteousness that Christ accomplished for us. 'Christ is our righteousness.'

 

[EarlyActs]

The law was not done away with until after Jesus was raised from the dead. He brought the New Covenant to Israel first and they rejected him as the Messiah/Savior. They also rejected the New covenant that would include Faith in that messiah/Savior. All Power was ginen to Jesus the Son by God the Father. Jesus had authority to make all NEW LAW under the New Covenant. He spoke in the Red Letters of the Bible the Law. we are justified to the New Law Jesus put in the New Covenant. Jesus had fulfill the Law in order to set it aside and he did, Matt 5:17 and he also gave us a way to set the old law aside also. The old law is not used anymore I can give 20 or more verses that say old law is no longer in use.
see below
John 5
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Rom 3
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
jere 31
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Heb 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Matt 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Gal 5
14 Forall the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this;Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

But as Rom 3:31 says, the law is supported because it was the measurement that Christ had to fulfill. (He means the ethical core; not the ceremonial/dietary).

 

[EarlyActs]

The law was not done away with until after Jesus was raised from the dead. He brought the New Covenant to Israel first and they rejected him as the Messiah/Savior. They also rejected the New covenant that would include Faith in that messiah/Savior. All Power was ginen to Jesus the Son by God the Father. Jesus had authority to make all NEW LAW under the New Covenant. He spoke in the Red Letters of the Bible the Law. we are justified to the New Law Jesus put in the New Covenant. Jesus had fulfill the Law in order to set it aside and he did, Matt 5:17 and he also gave us a way to set the old law aside also. The old law is not used anymore I can give 20 or more verses that say old law is no longer in use.
see below
John 5
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Rom 3
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
jere 31
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Heb 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Matt 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Gal 5
14 Forall the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this;Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I don't know what the expression 'to be justified to a new law' would mean. The existing law was used as the standard; it defined sin; we needed to be justified (declared righteous by 3rd party--Christ's--credit) from those sins.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

Triun god is man-made.

We all have strong opinions and each of us thinks our interpretation of the scriptures is straight from God's lips to our ears. If the Unitarians are correct, then God is a God of power, if the Trinitarians are correct God is a God of Love.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

The law was not done away with until after Jesus was raised from the dead. He brought the New Covenant to Israel first and they rejected him as the Messiah/Savior. They also rejected the New covenant that would include Faith in that messiah/Savior. All Power was ginen to Jesus the Son by God the Father. Jesus had authority to make all NEW LAW under the New Covenant. He spoke in the Red Letters of the Bible the Law. we are justified to the New Law Jesus put in the New Covenant. Jesus had fulfill the Law in order to set it aside and he did, Matt 5:17 and he also gave us a way to set the old law aside also. The old law is not used anymore I can give 20 or more verses that say old law is no longer in use.
see below
John 5
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Does the law dishonor God?

Rom 3
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
jere 31
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Heb 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Matt 5

A change of the law is not abolishing the law. How was it changed?

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Gal 5
14 Forall the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this;Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

And yet, we cannot even manage that so thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[grace2]

We all have strong opinions and each of us thinks our interpretation of the scriptures is straight from God's lips to our ears. If the Unitarians are correct, then God is a God of power, if the Trinitarians are correct God is a God of Love.

You don't believe God is love. It is God and Jesus' teachings.

You don't accept Jesus' word.

 

[A branch]

But as Rom 3:31 says, the law is supported because it was the measurement that Christ had to fulfill. (He means the ethical core; not the ceremonial/dietary).

The Bible says one under the law Must follow the Whole Law not once can I find where it is ok to choose part of the law to follow.

 

[A branch]

I don't know what the expression 'to be justified to a new law' would mean. The existing law was used as the standard; it defined sin; we needed to be justified (declared righteous by 3rd party--Christ's--credit) from those sins.

John 15
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Here Jesus is clearly not talking about keeping the Old Core Of The Law. He is specifically speaking of His New Law He Spoke and Taught.
The New law was Faith in Christ that God the Father would accept, and He did accept because He chose the Perfect unblemished Jesus.

 

[A branch]

Does the law dishonor God?

A change of the law is not abolishing the law. How was it changed?

And yet, we cannot even manage that so thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

It is abolished
Eph 2
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

 

[EarlyActs]

The Bible says one under the law Must follow the Whole Law not once can I find where it is ok to choose part of the law to follow.

So then you don’t think Christ fulfilled it, but Paul said he did in Rom 9-10.

 

[EarlyActs]

John 15
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Here Jesus is clearly not talking about keeping the Old Core Of The Law. He is specifically speaking of His New Law He Spoke and Taught.
The New law was Faith in Christ that God the Father would accept, and He did accept because He chose the Perfect unblemished Jesus.

The new law was the core…

 

[EarlyActs]

John 15
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Here Jesus is clearly not talking about keeping the Old Core Of The Law. He is specifically speaking of His New Law He Spoke and Taught.
The New law was Faith in Christ that God the Father would accept, and He did accept because He chose the Perfect unblemished Jesus.

That’s true but it doesn’t answer whether way may commit adultery. At least try to be practical, OK?

 

[A branch]

So then you don’t think Christ fulfilled it, but Paul said he did in Rom 9-10.

You are twisting my words. Christ fulfilled the whole law. It is people like you that say follow the Ten from the old Law. which is bs.

 

[A branch]

The new law was the core…

The New law was put in the New Covenant that Jesus taught and preached from Matt 4:17. The core was Faith in Jesus.

 

[A branch]

That’s true but it doesn’t answer whether way may commit adultery. At least try to be practical, OK?

Here is one of the Commandments that Jesus spoke out of His on mouth while on earth.

Matt 19
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

 

[EarlyActs]

You are twisting my words. Christ fulfilled the whole law. It is people like you that say follow the Ten from the old Law. which is bs.

Did you ever read Acts 15?

 

[EarlyActs]

The New law was put in the New Covenant that Jesus taught and preached from Matt 4:17. The core was Faith in Jesus.

You are confusing what is needed for justification with what is needed for moral guidance. What situation does ‘faith in Jesus’ apply to?

I can’t twist words when you haven’t made yourself clear.