I chose God..Or God chose me...

[ChristB4us]

Nowhere does the NT present three different resurrections on different days, nor three groups.

Matthew 12:33 & 1 Corinthians 15:22-28

Jesus presents two groups, the sheep and the goats, rising at the same time.

I believe that reference is about how He will judge those coming out of that last rebellion by Satan for a small season when he is released from the pit after a thousand years.

You are adding to apostolic teaching, which you have no authority to do.

You are missing out on some other apostolic teaching for why what you are applying as apostolic teaching is wrong..

 

[makesends]

To prove otherwise is to rightly divide the word of truth if I am not doing that "rightly".

Example: tongue speakers today try to hype another gospel for saved believers to seek after; that gospel of tongues. They apply Acts 19:1-7 as proof that believers do not always have the Holy Spirit for why they should seek that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues.

Acts 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about twelve.

Now what is overlooked by those that err is that there are 3 kinds of disciples back in Paul's days.

Luke 5:33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?
So there are the disciples of the Pharisees, the disciples of John the Baptist's, and the disciples of Jesus Christ's.
So when Paul came across these certain disciples, he did not know what kind but he believed they were disciples for why he had asked them about having received the holy Ghost since they had believed, thus assuming they were disciples of Jesus Christ.

But they never knew anything about the Holy Ghost, and so Paul had asked them of what water baptism they were under. John the Baptist's. So now Paul knew what kind of disciples they were. Because they were not believers in Hesus Christ, Paul told them about Whom it as John the Baptist was preaching about and then they obviously believed because afterwards, they were water baptized in Jesus's name & got saved.

So tongue speakers today cannot use that scripture reference in preaching that false calling as if believers may not always have the holy Ghost for why they hype saved believers to seek a baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues, because in Acts 19:1-7, those certain disciples were disciples of John the Baptist's and not disciples of Jesus Christ and so they were never believers in Jesus Christ until Paul told them about Him.

So do you agree that tongue speakers today cannot use Acts 19:1-7 for hyping another calling for saved believers to seek after by using that reference because by His grace & by His wisdom, I rightly divide the word of truth or do you believe that tongue speakers are right?

So as an example, for you to correct me by the scripture, you do not do that by ignoring it, but by addressing the scripture that I had applied if I did it wrong and testify to what that scripture is actually talking about.

That is the only way a discussion in proving all things by Him in the scripture can progress when we address scripture that opposes how the other side is applying other scripture to mean to prove they cannot be applying it rightly after all.

I say that @Eleanor 's application of the last day is to be done in respect to the order of the resurrection of Christ's the first fruits ( note plural of firstfruits thus the pre great tribulation rapture event when He comes as the Bridegroom to receive into Heaven ) and then they that be Christ's at His coming.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Then you have that 1000 year reign of Christ before Satan is loose from the pit for a small season as those remaining loyal to Christ is the last harvest before Satan is cast into the lake of fire & the Great White Throne Judgment commence & death is defeated forever.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

That is when the kingdom of heaven is leavened in the whole lump by that 3 measures of meal that was hid in that making of the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 13;33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

That is the shortest parable testifying to what makes up the kingdom of heaven as a whole. Until someone testifies otherwise, that is what I believe the Lord has taught me of what that parable is about and how it applies to that "last day" respectively to the order of the resurrection.

Let me put a little more plainly, what I have been trying to put with humor, then with sarcasm, then with distasteful comment. You may believe what you do, but don't teach it for established fact until you can prove it from Scripture, and that, by extensive exegesis and proper hermeneutic. Then, if you are still sure, don't lay on so thick this notion that you, if nobody else, are endowed with the wisdom from above. If you want people to agree with you, or at least to be convicted, show a little humility. You don't know if you are right or not. Don't lord it over your underlings by declaring your piety.

 

[makesends]

It is my position no human is able to judge for him/herself about his own experience. It may have seemed to us that we were choosing God when we converted from being non-Christian to be Christian but that's not what scripture states. Scripture repeatedly describes how we cannot rely on the perceptions of the sinful flesh and until a person is brought from life to death and indwelt with the Holy Spirit, all that person has is sinful flesh by which to measure his/her experience.

Even THEN, we don't walk by sight. We are necessarily —even the born again— short of the facts, and all-too dependent on experience, instead of faith, which faith never contradicts Scripture.

To submit EVERYTHING to the word of God necessarily means we submit ALL our own observations and experience to that same word. We are not the measure of God's word. God's word is the measure of us, and that includes every minute detail of our experience.

Amen THAT!

Jesus to Nic that unless a person was born anew from above s/he could not see the kingdom of God so it's illogical a non-believer could believe something he can't see and does not believe exists. If the example of Jesus and the disciples is relevant, then not a single one of them chose Jesus until after he had first chosen them.

 

[makesends]

The indwelling of the Spirit is the result of Christ.
The Spirit intermittently operated within the OT saints, but they did not have the fullness of his indwelling, which came with Christ in the NT.

I'm not so sure about this last sentence, but I think I get what you are saying. But the fact that "the indwelling of the Spirit is the result of Christ" doesn't (to me) imply that it only happens post-Calvary/ Pentecost. We have, for example, the very same salvation by the death of Christ, applying to all the saints of the OT —not just those after Calvary. Why not the indwelling of the Spirit? I'm aware of quite a bit of Scripture that sounds that way, at first, because it is talking about what happened, such as this apparent displacement ("Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.")

To me, regeneration necessarily remains continuous. We are not (in my opinion) once regenerated, able to continue therein apart from the continuing work of the Spirit of God within. And I can't see the Gospel, salvation, apart from regeneration —to me, at least, the principle applies from Adam to the last believer alive. But: We both believe the Spirit does as it will.

 

[fastfredy0]

They [RCs] also have the only thought-through moral theology.

I've had the same thought. RCC is organized and I think semi-monolithic. RCs also have the advantage of creating doctrine from scratch (without God's input).

Do you live in the piney woods?

No, I live on a lake just south of Chandler, TX.
Where is Piney Woods? Why'd you guess that?

 

[Ladodgers6]

A sinner can only come to God through Jesus....that’s how we are made right with God....much more to it than that....

Getting the gospel right...can only come from God and I am very careful who I listen to.....my priority is listening to the Holy Spirit....he doesn’t rush me to understand everything that is in his living written word...everything is in God’s timing...

And who knows that what one says as in man/ woman...that what they say is right.....as I say..I only listen to the Lord, he may speak to me through another....which ever way, I test everything...

If I’m still on milk so be it...that’s where God has me......God’s knows my understanding and my intellect.....I don’t understand the way some understand intellectually.....neither do I have to.....God gets his message across to me “ His Way”......and only his way.....Praise God.

God speaks to us through the Holy Spirit....I’m hungry for his living word...I’m not hungry for man’s/ woman’s word...

I also pray that he keeps me humble....only God’s Spiritual knowledge impresses me....in other words, when I believe his “ Living “ word speaks to me...

Thank you for sharing with me. Everything comes by God's Word, especially his promises! I only seek the truth, and God gave us his word to read and study to find his truth! Which is why Paul said we must be like the Bereans seeking the truth in God's Word. I have always maintain that I am the dumbest Christian in Christendom. Luther said a layman armed with Scripture is mightier than any Pope.

I am glad you understood some of what Luther wrote on Justification by Faith Alone. This is not a man-made doctrine as some claim it is. It is the Promise God made to Adam, Abraham, King David; for it is the crux of the Gospel. The Gospel is not a to do list or a DIY project but an announcement of what God in Christ has done for sinners! God justifies the ungodly, not the righteous man for what does a righteous man need a Savior for anyway.

But how can a Holy God justify the ungodly?

People often knock being intellectual, but Paul says we must grow in the knowledge of the Lord! So that we are not deceived! And we can test what comes our way. The Gospel gives what the Law could not! I hope you will read the rest of what Luther wrote and reach if you have any questions. Because the free gift of righteousness or even better the righteousness of Christ is given to the ungodly through Faith Alone; we are clothed in the white robes of Christ's righteousness, and our sins are imputed to Christ in our stead. This is called the marvelous exchange and it's the greatest news for any sinner!​

 

[Ritajanice]

To me, regeneration necessarily remains continuous. We are not (in my opinion) once regenerated, able to continue therein apart from the continuing work of the Spirit of God within. And I can't see the Gospel, salvation, apart from regeneration —to me, at least, the principle applies from Adam to the last believer alive. But: We both believe the Spirit does as it will

From my understanding, I believe regeneration is a one off, in other words, we have been birthed in the Spirit, ..we belong to God, we have the living indwelling Holy Spirit....the Spirit of God is Alive in our spirit, he brought us from spiritual death into his living spiritual life....period...that’s what I believe Brother, not saying I am right....

Once we are Born Again...then comes a whole new journey...and it ain’t easy, it’s a living spiritual relationship with God through the Spirit....the Holy Spirit begins the work of sanctification in us from day one, ..we are being made into the image of Christ through the power of the Spirit....he teaches us to walk in the Spirit, the flesh ,which was our old nature can cause so many problems.......it fights against the Spirit, ....think about it......one minute we’re a sinner, the next we are Born Again......that’s one heck of a shock to the system, well it was for me.....I guess and have heard everyone’s testimonies are very different......when I was birthed it blew my mind.....God’s word was so powerful!!...i was in “ AWE” of him and still am,,,,that was over 30 yrs ago.........it’s ok having all this head knowledge of the word......we also need heart knowledge......which means...imo.....the living word of God must be understood in the heart through the Ho,y Spirit.........my thoughts and belief.

Edit to add.....I knew in my head, God hates arguing, we should not argue....I still continued to argue.....then one day, God spoke to my heart about arguing...it was his living word, if i continue to argue, then I knew there will be consequences, I haven’t argued since...I got the message delivered to my heart...that’s just one example, hope it makes sense.

Hebrews 4:12 KJV​

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[Ritajanice]

From my understanding, I believe regeneration is a one off, in other words, we have been birthed in the Spirit, ..we belong to God, we have the living indwelling Holy Spirit....the Spirit of God is Alive in our spirit, he brought us from spiritual death into his living spiritual life....period...that’s what I believe Brother, not saying I am right....

Once we are Born Again...then comes a whole new journey...and it ain’t easy, it’s a living spiritual relationship with God through the Spirit....the Holy Spirit begins the work of sanctification in us from day one, ..we are being made into the image of Christ through the power of the Spirit....he teaches us to walk in the Spirit, the flesh ,which was our old nature can cause so many problems.......it fights against the Spirit, ....think about it......one minute we’re a sinner, the next we are Born Again......that’s one heck of a shock to the system, well it was for me.....I guess and have heard everyone’s testimonies are very different......when I was birthed it blew my mind.....God’s word was so powerful!!...i was in “ AWE” of him and still am,,,,that was over 30 yrs ago.........it’s ok having all this head knowledge of the word......we also need heart knowledge......which means...imo.....the living word of God must be understood in the heart through the Ho,y Spirit.........my thoughts and belief.

Edit to add.....I knew in my head, God hates arguing, we should not argue....I still continued to argue.....then one day, God spoke to my heart about arguing...it was his living word, if i continue to argue, then I knew there will be consequences, I haven’t argued since...I got the message delivered to my heart...that’s just one example, hope it makes sense.

Hebrews 4:12 KJV​

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Edit to add, as I believe it’s important to understand.....we need “ heart knowledge “ as well as “ head knowledge “ ..to function as Born Agains....what’s the point of head knowledge if the heart isn’t open to receive it.....it just remains head knowledge.....the heart needs to be open to fully understand the living word of God.....I believe my heart isn’t open in quite a few areas....yet, why would it worry me, when I know God is in control.....only God can open up my heart to understand his spiritual language.......and that’s exactly what his word is....” spiritual “........just my thoughts once again...

 

[Ritajanice]

Thank you for sharing with me. Everything comes by God's Word, especially his promises! I only seek the truth, and God gave us his word to read and study to find his truth! Which is why Paul said we must be like the Bereans seeking the truth in God's Word. I have always maintain that I am the dumbest Christian in Christendom. Luther said a layman armed with Scripture is mightier than any Pope.​

Yes, everything comes by God’s “ Living” word.....he gave us his word to read and study and my belief is, you can study all day and only receive head knowledge....God’s word is revealed to the heart of his child....I don’t need to understand everything in the word of God and neither do I have to.....I persevere with study, because usually out of the blue God speaks to my heart through scripture, which makes it exciting...as I wonder what God is going to reveal to my heart today, that makes sense to my spirit.

I am glad you understood some of what Luther wrote on Justification by Faith Alone. This is not a man-made doctrine as some claim it is. It is the Promise God made to Adam, Abraham, King David; for it is the crux of the Gospel. The Gospel is not a to do list or a DIY project but an announcement of what God in Christ has done for sinners! God justifies the ungodly, not the righteous man for what does a righteous man need a Savior for anyway.

But how can a Holy God justify the ungodly?​

I have never heard of Luther..I understood a little of what he wrote...I really don’t understand this following of another human being...yes, pastors, etc are out there to teach..,,but as I’ve said before, I test everything, ...and I certainly wouldn’t put any preacher on a pedestal ..as there is only one whom I’m in AWE of and you know who that is......none of what I say is aimed at you...I’m thinking and speaking my heart out loud.

Ladodger6 says.

People often knock being intellectual, but Paul says we must grow in the knowledge of the Lord! So that we are not deceived! And we can test what comes our way. The Gospel gives what the Law could not! I hope you will read the rest of what Luther wrote and reach if you have any questions. Because the free gift of righteousness or even better the righteousness of Christ is given to the ungodly through Faith Alone; we are clothed in the white robes of Christ's righteousness, and our sins are imputed to Christ in our stead. This is called the marvelous exchange and it's the greatest news for any sinner!



Ritajanice says..
Intellectual to me means, in the world, the political, the worldly well educated.

To grow in spiritual knowledge is to grow in Christ .that to me is not worldly intellectual knowledge....it’s spiritual knowledge and it comes from the Spirit of God,,,plus one must be Born Again to understand God’s Living word , even then it can take years to understand through study...I have a live living relationship with God through his word....he’s always talking to me through the Spirit....of course I check everything out I believe he is saying to me...and there it is in scripture, which is his living word......God is Alive in Spirit..his word is Alive in Spirit...the Bible is not a book...it’s a “ Living” book and the living word is God...nothing more powerful than the word of GOD....blows your socks off when it’s delivered to one’s heart/ spirit......God speaking to our spirit....” Mind Blowing “!!!​

 

[makesends]

makesends said:
To me, regeneration necessarily remains continuous. We are not (in my opinion) once regenerated, able to continue therein apart from the continuing work of the Spirit of God within. And I can't see the Gospel, salvation, apart from regeneration —to me, at least, the principle applies from Adam to the last believer alive. But: We both believe the Spirit does as it will

From my understanding, I believe regeneration is a one off, in other words, we have been birthed in the Spirit, ..we belong to God, we have the living indwelling Holy Spirit....the Spirit of God is Alive in our spirit, he brought us from spiritual death into his living spiritual life....period...that’s what I believe Brother, not saying I am right....

Once we are Born Again...then comes a whole new journey...and it ain’t easy, it’s a living spiritual relationship with God through the Spirit....the Holy Spirit begins the work of sanctification in us from day one, ..we are being made into the image of Christ through the power of the Spirit

When I said "regeneration necessarily remains continuous" I didn't mean we were continuously being regenerated. Yes, the regeneration happens only once ever in a person. What I meant was that it is done by the Spirit of God who never leaves —he being the very essence of that regeneration. We are that much dependent on him.

 

[Ladodgers6]

From my understanding, I believe regeneration is a one off, in other words, we have been birthed in the Spirit, ..we belong to God, we have the living indwelling Holy Spirit....the Spirit of God is Alive in our spirit, he brought us from spiritual death into his living spiritual life....period...that’s what I believe Brother, not saying I am right....

Once we are Born Again...then comes a whole new journey...and it ain’t easy, it’s a living spiritual relationship with God through the Spirit....the Holy Spirit begins the work of sanctification in us from day one, ..we are being made into the image of Christ through the power of the Spirit....he teaches us to walk in the Spirit, the flesh ,which was our old nature can cause so many problems.......it fights against the Spirit, ....think about it......one minute we’re a sinner, the next we are Born Again......that’s one heck of a shock to the system, well it was for me.....I guess and have heard everyone’s testimonies are very different......when I was birthed it blew my mind.....God’s word was so powerful!!...i was in “ AWE” of him and still am,,,,that was over 30 yrs ago.........it’s ok having all this head knowledge of the word......we also need heart knowledge......which means...imo.....the living word of God must be understood in the heart through the Ho,y Spirit.........my thoughts and belief.

Edit to add.....I knew in my head, God hates arguing, we should not argue....I still continued to argue.....then one day, God spoke to my heart about arguing...it was his living word, if i continue to argue, then I knew there will be consequences, I haven’t argued since...I got the message delivered to my heart...that’s just one example, hope it makes sense.

Hebrews 4:12 KJV​

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Thanks for sharing, but you are missing a very crucial piece here. All of this comes through the proclamation of the Gospel! God's Word is alive, it breaths life into to us through the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit that bears witness to what God in Christ accomplished through the life, death and resurrection of Christ Jesus! He is the God-Man a mediator and redeemer between us and God. The Gospel again is not about us living the Gospel that saves us, but only the life of a Savior who came to save God's people from their sins through a Covenant of Grace!

Justification comes before sanctification, and it is how a sinner is justified and declared righteousness before God. The good works of the believer flow from justification in Christ Alone! We need to be reconciled before sanctification as well. Because before reconciliation our relationship is severed and we are alienated by being sworn enemies. But it's in this state that Christ redeems us and reconciles to God, then can we live to God! But only through justification in Christ Alone through faith alone can we have a relationship with God and being declared righteous before in him because of the imputed or credited righteousness of Christ that clothed us.

Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD; my soul shall exult in my God, for he has clothed me with the garments of salvation; he has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself like a priest with a beautiful headdress, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

Without Christ's righteousness clothing us, there is noway anybody is entering heaven. This is why the Reformation occurred and why they said this doctrine of Justification by Faith Alone is by which the church stands or falls.

1 Cor. 1:30 And because of hime you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

This Rita is the good news to which Paul speaks of when he preached the Gospel to sinners! And this is what we must read and hear everyday. Who Christ is and what he has done for sinners!

Just sharing and hope you continue to research this and do your own homework on this crucial matter!

By Grace Alone in Christ Alone!
​

 

[Ladodgers6]

makesends said:
To me, regeneration necessarily remains continuous. We are not (in my opinion) once regenerated, able to continue therein apart from the continuing work of the Spirit of God within. And I can't see the Gospel, salvation, apart from regeneration —to me, at least, the principle applies from Adam to the last believer alive. But: We both believe the Spirit does as it will

When I said "regeneration necessarily remains continuous" I didn't mean we were continuously being regenerated. Yes, the regeneration happens only once ever in a person. What I meant was that it is done by the Spirit of God who never leaves —he being the very essence of that regeneration. We are that much dependent on him.

What about the proclamation of the Gospel; who Christ is and what he has accomplished for sinners?

 

[ChristB4us]

Let me put a little more plainly, what I have been trying to put with humor, then with sarcasm, then with distasteful comment. You may believe what you do, but don't teach it for established fact until you can prove it from Scripture, and that, by extensive exegesis and proper hermeneutic. Then, if you are still sure, don't lay on so thick this notion that you, if nobody else, are endowed with the wisdom from above. If you want people to agree with you, or at least to be convicted, show a little humility. You don't know if you are right or not. Don't lord it over your underlings by declaring your piety.

It is proven by scripture as rightly divided by the word of truth until you prove I did not rightly divide the word of truth by explaining what those scriptures is about.

IF you cannot do that, then it is on YOU to ask Jesus for wisdom to prove or confirm otherwise what was shared. You do not just say I do not see it and say I am wrong when you do not even address what those scriptures are really about to prove I am not rightly dividing the word of truth.

You say I have to prove it because you do not see it, but I shared what it was about whereas you have to prove otherwise that is not what it means or about.

So if you cannot do that, then I cannot help you when it is on Him to cause the increase.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Let me put a little more plainly, what I have been trying to put with humor, then with sarcasm, then with distasteful comment. You may believe what you do, but don't teach it for established fact until you can prove it from Scripture, and that, by extensive exegesis and proper hermeneutic. Then, if you are still sure, don't lay on so thick this notion that you, if nobody else, are endowed with the wisdom from above. If you want people to agree with you, or at least to be convicted, show a little humility. You don't know if you are right or not. Don't lord it over your underlings by declaring your piety.

Please guys show each other respect and civility.

 

[fastfredy0]

To me, regeneration necessarily remains continuous.

When I said "regeneration necessarily remains continuous" I didn't mean we were continuously being regenerated. Yes, the regeneration happens only once ever in a person.

Good clarification.

 

[Ladodgers6]

To prove otherwise is to rightly divide the word of truth if I am not doing that "rightly".

Example: tongue speakers today try to hype another gospel for saved believers to seek after; that gospel of tongues. They apply Acts 19:1-7 as proof that believers do not always have the Holy Spirit for why they should seek that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues.

Acts 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about twelve.

Now what is overlooked by those that err is that there are 3 kinds of disciples back in Paul's days.

Luke 5:33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?
So there are the disciples of the Pharisees, the disciples of John the Baptist's, and the disciples of Jesus Christ's.
So when Paul came across these certain disciples, he did not know what kind but he believed they were disciples for why he had asked them about having received the holy Ghost since they had believed, thus assuming they were disciples of Jesus Christ.

But they never knew anything about the Holy Ghost, and so Paul had asked them of what water baptism they were under. John the Baptist's. So now Paul knew what kind of disciples they were. Because they were not believers in Hesus Christ, Paul told them about Whom it as John the Baptist was preaching about and then they obviously believed because afterwards, they were water baptized in Jesus's name & got saved.

So tongue speakers today cannot use that scripture reference in preaching that false calling as if believers may not always have the holy Ghost for why they hype saved believers to seek a baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues, because in Acts 19:1-7, those certain disciples were disciples of John the Baptist's and not disciples of Jesus Christ and so they were never believers in Jesus Christ until Paul told them about Him.

So do you agree that tongue speakers today cannot use Acts 19:1-7 for hyping another calling for saved believers to seek after by using that reference because by His grace & by His wisdom, I rightly divide the word of truth or do you believe that tongue speakers are right?

So as an example, for you to correct me by the scripture, you do not do that by ignoring it, but by addressing the scripture that I had applied if I did it wrong and testify to what that scripture is actually talking about.

That is the only way a discussion in proving all things by Him in the scripture can progress when we address scripture that opposes how the other side is applying other scripture to mean to prove they cannot be applying it rightly after all.

I say that @Eleanor 's application of the last day is to be done in respect to the order of the resurrection of Christ's the first fruits ( note plural of firstfruits thus the pre great tribulation rapture event when He comes as the Bridegroom to receive into Heaven ) and then they that be Christ's at His coming.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Then you have that 1000 year reign of Christ before Satan is loose from the pit for a small season as those remaining loyal to Christ is the last harvest before Satan is cast into the lake of fire & the Great White Throne Judgment commence & death is defeated forever.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

That is when the kingdom of heaven is leavened in the whole lump by that 3 measures of meal that was hid in that making of the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 13;33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

That is the shortest parable testifying to what makes up the kingdom of heaven as a whole. Until someone testifies otherwise, that is what I believe the Lord has taught me of what that parable is about and how it applies to that "last day" respectively to the order of the resurrection.

Please show each other respect and civility. We will deal with people from all forms of religion. We will disagree and they will also. No need to be insulting, belittling, or mean-spirited. Just share the word. Thanks!

 

[makesends]

What about the proclamation of the Gospel; who Christ is and what he has accomplished for sinners?

What about it? I.e., what's your point?

 

[ChristB4us]

Please show each other respect and civility. We will deal with people from all forms of religion. We will disagree and they will also. No need to be insulting, belittling, or mean-spirited. Just share the word. Thanks!

Hebrews 10:24And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

I had believed I wanted to provoke my opponents to rightly divide the word of truth that I had shared that was opposing how they had shared or had agreed with the one that had shared what the scriptures to mean for the progress of the discussion.

Since I am here to learn also and I did learn about how Jesus Christ is also an Apostle from @Wordsmith ( one of my contenders against me ) as I applied other scriptures to confirm that Jesus Christ is One sent by God per Isaiah 48:16-17 ; I was hoping for either another correction or an attempt to align the scriptures I had applied to show how it did not oppose how @Eleanor had applied "the last day" to mean.

Obviously, their minds are made up and so the discussion is still at an impasse for why I thank the Lord for you in letting me know to let it go.

 

[Wordsmith]

( one of my contenders against me )

I don't contend against you personally I contend for what I believe to be true from scripture.

 

[ChristB4us]

I don't contend against you personally I contend for what I believe to be true from scripture.

I understand but apparently we are opposed to how we rightly divide the word of truth to mean.

We can only let it go with His help and let God minister to us in the hope that one day down the road, one or the other will see the truth in His words to bear more fruit in the knowledge of Him.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

I am thankful to the Lord that we were not name calling one another and such like, but I suppose asking the other to ask the Lord for wisdom may be seen as belittling, but I had believed I was doing it to provoke the other side or my contenders to address the scriptures & prove otherwise what I had applied from scriptures for why I had believed that how they applied certain scripture to mean was wrong, ... since scripture cannot go against scripture.

But I need the Lord's help to know when the other side has made up their minds to let it go since it is not really on me or you to show the truth in His words when Jesus has to help us to see that.