Hell's New Arrivals

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FAQ: What if I was born dishonest?

REPLY: You mean like Ps 58:3, which says:

"The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go astray from
birth."

Well; that's pretty serious.

● Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.

FAQ: But I'm not a degenerate liar. I'm basically honest and lie only on occasion.

REPLY: No, you are basically dishonest-- the meanwhile managing your natural
impulses; keeping their control over you to a minimum.

But let's face it: liars don't need a rule book, instead; they need a miracle to
liberate them from themselves so they don't end up on the wrong side of things. In
other words: they need an overhaul from top to bottom and inside and out, i.e. a
full and complete renovation to get rid of that lying streak they were born
with.

UPDATE: 175 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 12,138,700 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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FAQ: What if Adam had eaten some fruit from the tree of life prior to trying the
forbidden fruit?

REPLY: The tree of life doesn't work like a vaccine, rather, it's a remedy; portrayed
in the Bible as a treatment for whatever ails you. (Rev 22:2)

In other words: under normal circumstances Adam had no use for the tree of life at
first because he was already in perfect health. Adam was created in the image and
likeness of God, i.e. he was immune to the aging process: an advantage he lost by
tampering with the forbidden fruit when he was instructed not to.

● Gen 2:16-17 . . The Lord God commanded the man: You are free to eat from any
tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good
and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

Well; Adam didn't pass away within 24 hours after eating the forbidden fruit. In
point of fact he continued to live 800 more years beyond the birth of his son Seth.
(Gen 5:4)

So the death that Adam underwent due to tasting the forbidden fruit began with his
loss of perfect health, i.e. Adam's body became infected with mortality which, if left
untreated, is 100% fatal. Mortality is a lingering death that gradually broke Adam
down to the point where his body could no longer keep going.

The tree of life wouldn't prevent Adam from contracting mortality, but the tree
would've cured it and restored him to perpetual youth had he been allowed access
to it.

UPDATE: 180 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 12,485,520 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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FAQ: There are no human sacrifices specified in the covenant that Moses' people
entered into with God on oath in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy. Plus, according to Deut 4:2 and Deut 5:29-30 it is prohibited to
revise the covenant. Since Jesus was a Jew whose religion was governed by that
covenant; then how was it legal for him to die for the sins of the world?

REPLY: The codified laws of God are not retroactive (Deut 5:2-4, Gal 3:17) This is
extremely important because Jesus was designated, and scheduled, to die on a
cross prior to the voice of God creating even a single atom for the current cosmos.
(1Pet 1:18-21 & Rev 13:8) In other words: the cross was anticipated.

UPDATE: 185 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 12,832,340 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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Insensitive folk who come from the womb unable to feel compassion, are in very
grave danger of the sum of all fears.

● Matt 5:7 . . Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

● Jas 2:13 . . For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy.

NOTE: There are a number instructional web sites offering lists of helpful do's and
don'ts to assist sympathy-challenged people to at least respond properly to others'
misfortunes.

UPDATE: 190 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 13,179,160 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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God cautioned Cain:

● Gen 4:7 . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do
what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must
master it.

"to have you" indicates complete control over one's life so that Cain wouldn't just
be slipping into sin now and then, rather; sin would become his lifestyle should he
become independent enough to allow ignoring God to become a habit.

FAQ: How was Cain supposed to know what's right seeing as how God had not yet
codified any of His laws?

REPLY: His brother Abel was a prophet. (Luke 11:50-51)

UPDATE: 195 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 13,525,980 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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●Rev 20:13 . . I saw the dead, and they were judged, every one of them

That verse says that "every one" of them were judged. Well; I don't know precisely
how many every one will eventually number, but let's say that it's 100,000.

If each of these 100,000 cases were to take an hour to complete, we'd be looking
at roughly 4,167 calendar days, i.e. 11½ years-- that's if the judging by a solo
judge goes around the clock 24/7/365.

According to Daniel 7:13-14, John 5:22-3, and Acts 17:31, Messiah has been
designated to preside at the event. However, there's reason to suggest that he
won't be handling every case himself.

●1Cor 6:2-3 . . Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the
world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law
courts? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? (cf. Matt 12:28)

Moses was assisted in his judicial duties by a select group of Jewish men. (Ex
18:17-26) It's possible that certain among Messiah's followers will be recruited to
serve as judges with him in the same manner, which will expedite his case load
considerably.

There's a few points related to that scene worth special mention.

1» According to Jude 1:14-15 the dead will be given a fair trial.

2» According to Matt 12:36, every word that the dead have spoken will be used as
evidence both against them and/or for them; not just their serious words, but also
their careless words.

3» The scene doesn't depict one future out of a variety of possible futures; no, it
depicts the actual future.

UPDATE: 200 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 13,872,800 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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● 1Kings 22:18-23 . . I saw the Lord God sitting on His throne, and all the host of
heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. And Jehovah said: Who will
entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said this while another
said that.

. . .Then a spirit came forward and stood before The Lord and said: I will entice
him. And The Lord said to him: How? And he said: I will go out and be a deceiving
spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. Then He said: You are to entice him and also
prevail. Go and do so. Now therefore, behold, The Lord has put a deceiving spirit in
the mouth of all these your prophets; and Jehovah has proclaimed disaster against
you.

Now that is scary. Can you just imagine the horror of being targeted like that and
not aware of it! (cf. 2Thess 2:8-12)

UPDATE: 205 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 14,219,620 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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Canadian folk singer Gordon Lightfoot released a sentimental song back in 1975
that speaks volumes about sympathy. Its lyrics are very touching. Here's a few that
I feel especially appropriate when talking about things like sickness, death, and the
hereafter.

Rainy day people always seem to know when it's time to call.
Rainy day people don't talk, they just listen till they've heard it all.
Rainy day lovers don't lie when they tell 'ya they've been down like you.
Rainy day people don't mind if you're cryin' a tear or two.

I sometimes wonder how much sympathy one can expect in the fiery netherworld. I
mean; sure they'll understand how we might feel about the unfortunate
circumstances in life that led us down there, but once you're there, everyone's
pretty much in the same boat and the others are all longing for sympathy too.

In point of fact, I'd not be surprised if the competition for sympathy down there is
on the level of dog eat dog; and likely a fair number of sympathy hoarders
demanding total market share of it. I can just hear their feigned indignity; like this:

"Oh, stop whining already! Don't be such a baby. I deserve a lot more pity than
you. I've been down here for two millennia and you've only been down here for a
decade. What've you got to cry about? You should be grateful that your time down
here is shorter than mine."

I'd imagine that after a few years in that place the only sympathy that people can
feel after a while is sympathy for themselves because nobody is getting out down
there; they're all lifers so it's not unlikely that the only humanity that inmates pay
forward in that place is misery.

UPDATE: 211 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 14,635,804 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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Education and/or a high IQ have their uses; but are insufficient when it comes to
spiritual matters. In point of fact, too many smarts can actually be an impediment.
Take for example Carl Sagan. Had his knowledge and his IQ been a spiritual
advantage, then Carl would've stood on the side of intelligent design instead of
opposing it.

It's tragic that Carl went to his grave with his curiosity and so many scientific
questions about the cosmos unanswered, and to top it off, a day is coming when
even Carl's pale blue dot will no longer be available for study.

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be
remembered, nor come into mind." (Isa 65:17)

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth
were passed away." (Rev 21:1)

Can you imagine how delighted Carl would've been to explore Heaven's libraries
where everything to know that can be known about the cosmos is stored? But alas,
Carl will never find out because he was at best an agnostic, at worst an atheist.

UPDATE: 216 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 14,982,624 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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● 2Cor 5:11 . . Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men

The Greek word translated "knowing" means to know firsthand, viz: by experience
rather than by education and/or instruction.

In other words: there were incidents at various times in the lives of Paul and his
contemporaries when God scared 'em out of their wits.

Well; there's nothing like a good old fashioned close encounter of a third kind to
convince even the most resistant skeptics; and Paul's history attests that his was a
really stubborn case.

Of course if any of us were to claim we've experienced the terror of the Lord, we'd
be singled out as kooks and crackpots; but for some of us, fright is the only
persuasion that works.

UPDATE: 221 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 15,329,444 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the Genesis
account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online called me an
ignorant bigot because I stand by the Bible's physical gender designations and
refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g. gender fluid, non binary, et al.

Do they honestly believe that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos-- all of
its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on gender identity?

● Ps 2:1-5 . . Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The
kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against The
Lord, and against His anointed, saying: Let us break their bands asunder, and cast
away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: The Lord shall
have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them
in His sore displeasure.

UPDATE: 227 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 15,745,628 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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When God is ignored; He can be expected to reciprocate.

● Prov 1:24-33 . . I called you so often, but you didn't come. I reached out to you,
but you paid no attention. You ignored my advice and rejected the correction I
offered. So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you when disaster
overtakes you-- when calamity overcomes you like a storm, when you are engulfed
by trouble, and when anguish and distress overwhelm you.

. . . I will not answer when they cry for help. Even though they anxiously search for
me, they will not find me. For they hated knowledge and chose not to fear The
Lord. They rejected my advice and paid no attention when I corrected them. That is
why they must eat the bitter fruit of living their own way. They must experience the
full terror of the path they have chosen. For they are simpletons who turn away
from me-- to death. They are fools, and their own complacency will destroy them.
But all who listen to me will live in peace and safety, unafraid of harm.

Case in point is Mr. Esau.

"Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you know that even
afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found
no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears." (Heb 12:16-17)

The Greek word translated "repentance" basically means to change one's mind; viz:
to reconsider.

Esau was secular to the bone. But he "got religion" right quick when he saw his way
of life costing him the blessing; but alas, the poor slob was a day late and a dollar
short; so to speak.

Lesson to be learned: The time for people to be giving Hell some serious thought is
not when they get there, rather, before they get there.

UPDATE: 233 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 16,161,812 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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● John 3:16 . . For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The love in that passage is translated from a Greek verb that expresses compassion
for the world without particularly liking anybody. In other words: that kind of love is
civil and sympathetic but doesn't necessarily express fondness or affection.

FAQ: God in His wrath condemns folks to the fiery netherworld while at the same
time feeling pity for them?

REPLY: God forbid that He be one to obstruct justice by letting His feelings overrule
and/or outweigh the facts. No doubt God would rather be kind than cruel; but
sometimes circumstances just won't permit.

UPDATE: 238 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 16,508,632 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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Apple Computer co-founder Steve Jobs once said (in so many words) that people
don't know what they want till it's shown them. Steve may not've been as proficient
with electronics as his pal Woz, but I gotta say: Jobs was one heck of a promoter.

People imprisoned on the wrong side of the netherworld may or may not be fully
aware of all they've lost. Many are doubtless aware of at least their loss of creature
comforts; but I'm not so sure they know about the bulk of their loss because not
even that many Christians are aware of all they've gained by their unity with Christ.

● Isa 52:13 . . Behold, My servant will prosper; he will be high and lifted up, and
greatly exalted.

The Word's flesh came into the world with limited acclaim, but departed the world
highly honored by means of the Father making that man His heir apparent.

● John 3:35 . . The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands.

● Heb 1:1-2 . . In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at
many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by His
son, whom He appointed heir of all things

The benefit of this for those of us who at one time were alienated from God and on
a road to Hell is nigh unto impossible to believe.

Christ's believing followers have been adopted into God's family circle, thus making
them eligible for an inheritance.

● Rom 8:14-17 . . For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear
again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out:
Abba! Father! The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children
of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ. (cf. Gal
4:4-7, Eph 1:4-5)

The Greek word translated "fellow heirs" actually means joint heirs; a.k.a. heirs in
common. Here's how that plays out:

A joint-heir is different than a regular heir. Regular heirs are apportioned an
individual percentage of their benefactor's estate. But joint-heirs inherit, not a
percentage, but the entire estate, as community property, i.e. whatever the Father
bequeathed Christ, that He also bequeathed everyone unified with Christ.

For example: supposing a benefactor's estate totals 60 acres of land, 18 gold bars,
a fleet of antique cars, plus a hedge fund worth 12 million US Dollars; and he left it
all to six heirs in common. In that situation; the heirs are corporately one
beneficiary instead of six; viz: all six inherit all the land, all the gold, all the cars,
and the entire fund as if each one were the only heir.

The extent of the Father's estate is astonishing. It encompasses not only all that is
in Heaven, but also all in the entire universe, plus whatever pertains to the new
cosmos spoken of in Isa 66:17, 2Pet 3:13, and Rev 21:1; and I don't know what
else.

● John 16:15 . . All things that the Father has are mine

Point being: folks stuck in perdition are wretched paupers in the afterlife, whereas
those of us unified with Christ are wealthy and privileged beyond imagination.

UPDATE: 243 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 16,855,452 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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FAQ: The Bible says that a Christian's life on earth terminates the day they come to
faith in Christ; and from then on, God stops keeping a record of their sins. (Rom
6:3-7, Col 3:3, and 2Cor 5:19). What about the afterlife? What's to be done about
the sins Christians commit there?

REPLY: They won't be committing any sins in the next life because of a special
circumcision performed by an act of God per Col 2:11.

* It must be very devastating when folks below find out too late about that
circumcision; and also when they find out too late about Jeremiah 31:31-34 and
Ezekiel 36:24-27 which, according to the language, would've rendered them
righteous enough to associate with God permanently.

UPDATE: 249 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 17,271,636 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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Jesus sacrificed his life for the whole world; not just part of the world, rather;
everybody who has ever lived, and everybody who will ever live, down to the last
born on Earth. That says quite a bit about how Jesus feels about some of us.

For example: He may not like me-- at all. In point of fact Jesus just may quite
despise me, and candidly declare that I am not the kind of people with whom he
cares to associate. Nevertheless, Jesus went to the cross for me too in spite of any
disgust he might feel for me as a person.

Now, as I said-- in so many words --Jesus may not be especially fond of me, but
there's no doubt in my mind that he at least cares for me. So I played upon his
Father's sympathies back in February of 1968 when I prayed a very selfish prayer
that went something like this:

"God; I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's death."

Seeing as how Jesus gave his life for the whole world, then God couldn't very well
refuse my request; now could He.

● Rom 5:6-8 . . Christ died for the impious. Very rarely will anyone die for a
righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But
God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ
died for us.

UPDATE: 255 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 17,687,820 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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In the second chapter of the book of Daniel is told the story of Nebuchadnezzar's
dream. He demanded his wise men to tell him the interpretation of the dream but
withheld the dream's details; without which they could not answer.

But God had observed the king's dream; and revealed its details, along with its
interpretation, to Daniel. Apparently God can hear our thoughts just as audibly as
we, and can view the scenes in our heads just as clearly too; making it very difficult
to retain some privacy in our own minds.

● Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight; everything is
uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

UPDATE: 260 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 18,034,640 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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Seeing as how God owns everything in existence, and answers to no one how He
goes about managing it all; then what He says goes because nobody can stop Him
from making and/or enforcing whatever rules He wishes because God's free will
trumps everybody else's free will.

Whether God's ways and means are loving, moral, just, and/or right and wise
doesn't matter. It's as futile to criticize lightning for being so bright, and thunder for
being so loud, as it is to find fault with God's rules because no matter how much
people complain about thunder and lightning; there is nothing they can do to stop
those forces of nature from going about their business.

● Acts 4:24 . .They lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said: Lord,
thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them
is

The Greek word translated "Lord" in that passage is despotes (des-pot'-ace) from
which we get our English word despot; defined by Webster's as a ruler with
absolute power and authority.

UPDATE: 265 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 18,381,460 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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For many of us working stiffs, the first day on a new job is stressful and quite an
adjustment. The night before that first day can cause enough anxiety to keep us
awake worrying about what we might expect.

I'd imagine that, whether we end up in the right place or the wrong place in the
afterlife, we will be just as stressed on our first day there as the first day here on a
new job.

The anxiety associated with death is to be expected seeing as how most of us have
no experience at all with that particular journey. But I think the majority of my
anxiety in regards to death is related to what comes after. Pity there are no guide
books available in print to prepare folks in advance for the culture-shock tsunami
with which both sides of the aisle are sure to be slammed: a guide for Hell and one
for Heaven.

UPDATE: 270 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the OP's figures are in
the ball park, then something like 18,728,280 new arrivals have checked into the fiery
sector of Hades since July 04, 2023.
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