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Hebrews 6

Scripture no where teaches a believer can lose their salvation.
I just gave you 2 examples FROM SCRIPTURE. Just add a bit of common sense to that, i.e., if a Christian were to denounce Christ and become a Muslim, would he still be saved???
 
I just gave you 2 examples FROM SCRIPTURE. Just add a bit of common sense to that, i.e., if a Christian were to denounce Christ and become a Muslim, would he still be saved???
Add some common sense? So you alone hold the truth and therefore can insult people?
 
I just gave you 2 examples FROM SCRIPTURE. Just add a bit of common sense to that, i.e., if a Christian were to denounce Christ and become a Muslim, would he still be saved???
Your examples are your opinions and they are wrong.
 
The bible holds the truth, read it. If it insults you, so be it. Goodbye
You should consider being a little more respectful to people you talk with. Why would anyone consider what you think as truth while you are so rude? Is that what truth does to you? :oops:
 
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I don’t consider Arminianism as orthodox (straight praise) but heretical.
If 50 million people say a wrong thing it’s still a wrong thing. — Al Einstein.
maybe your beliefs are heresy since no one here affirms them , ever consider that jeremiah ?
 
The Synod at Dort held over 150 meetings with the Remonstrants. In the end the five points of Arminius were rejected and the Heidelburg and Belgic Confessions were upheld.
I hold to that.
Anything outside of Scripture is not inspired by God and does not on the same playing field as authoritative.
 
Hebrews 6:
4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and produces vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

@360watt
If you are interested I am curious how you understand this passage.

Or anyone actually. This could be a great discussion.
Are you or anyone else here familiar with the late Kenneth Hagen? He is the only one I have heard teach on this in a way that made sense to me. The short version is this refers to a mature Christian with specific criteria assigned by the writer of Hebrews. Yes according to that teaching a person could lose their salvation. I know this will be controversial but so be it. I tend to agree with this approach to the doctrine of eternal security. I believe the truth is in between the 2 extremes on this issue. One extreme is that any sin will cause the loss of salvation the other extreme is no sin can possibly cause the loss of salvation. It is my belief the wording of Hebrews 6 can be taken no other way than it is possible to lose one’s salvation but that it is not a common or easy happening. In another post I will to try to relay in detail what Kenneth Hagin taught on this.
 
Are you or anyone else here familiar with the late Kenneth Hagen? He is the only one I have heard teach on this in a way that made sense to me. The short version is this refers to a mature Christian with specific criteria assigned by the writer of Hebrews. Yes according to that teaching a person could lose their salvation. I know this will be controversial but so be it. I tend to agree with this approach to the doctrine of eternal security. I believe the truth is in between the 2 extremes on this issue. One extreme is that any sin will cause the loss of salvation the other extreme is no sin can possibly cause the loss of salvation. It is my belief the wording of Hebrews 6 can be taken no other way than it is possible to lose one’s salvation but that it is not a common or easy happening. In another post I will to try to relay in detail what Kenneth Hagin taught on this.
But that is not the context of Heb 6.

See post #2.
 
Are you or anyone else here familiar with the late Kenneth Hagen? He is the only one I have heard teach on this in a way that made sense to me. The short version is this refers to a mature Christian with specific criteria assigned by the writer of Hebrews. Yes according to that teaching a person could lose their salvation. I know this will be controversial but so be it. I tend to agree with this approach to the doctrine of eternal security. I believe the truth is in between the 2 extremes on this issue. One extreme is that any sin will cause the loss of salvation the other extreme is no sin can possibly cause the loss of salvation. It is my belief the wording of Hebrews 6 can be taken no other way than it is possible to lose one’s salvation but that it is not a common or easy happening. In another post I will to try to relay in detail what Kenneth Hagin taught on this.
Hagen was a wof heretic
 
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened,(convicted by the Holy Spirt and realized the need for personal salvation) have tasted of the heavenly gift, (The “heavenly gift” being Jesus , “tasted” meaning having received salvation bought and paid for by Christ) and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, (Having received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost after salvation)

5 And have tasted the good word of God, ( being knowledgeable in the written Word of God) and the powers of the world to come, ( having operated in the gifts if the Spirit)

6 (It is impossible, verse 4) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; (loss of salvation) seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Putting the Son of God to open shame is s grave matter) There are 5 conditions in the above passage. 1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. The question here is this physical death or spiritual death. IMO this is spiritual death because of the wording. The context is a “brother”. I am fully aware that this will be controversial and most likely rejected by those that hold to a strict view of eternal security. Also the doctrines of Baptism of the Holy Spirt and the operation of the gifts of the Spirit are rejected by many. This is not a discussion of those doctrines by a response to the OP with an alternate view.
 
maybe your beliefs are heresy since no one here affirms them , ever consider that jeremiah ?
There was a time everyone considered Trinity a heresy until the Advent of the Son.
I don't believe Scripture because everyone else does. I study under the anointing and when Scripture contradicts the party line I choose Scripture, pray, pray some more and then test my understanding through Scripture.
Why don't you just speak for yourself and stop trying to gather forces against me through conspiracy.
I'm a born again Christian of 46 years. This makes me your spiritual elder so show some respect for Christ in me.
 
There was a time everyone considered Trinity a heresy until the Advent of the Son.
I don't believe Scripture because everyone else does. I study under the anointing and when Scripture contradicts the party line I choose Scripture, pray, pray some more and then test my understanding through Scripture.
Why don't you just speak for yourself and stop trying to gather forces against me through conspiracy.
I'm a born again Christian of 46 years. This makes me your spiritual elder so show some respect for Christ in me.
I was born again in 1980. So it’s a wash . Longevity does not equal maturity or wisdom
 
I just gave you 2 examples FROM SCRIPTURE. Just add a bit of common sense to that, i.e., if a Christian were to denounce Christ and become a Muslim, would he still be saved???
Please keep the Ad Hominems to yourself. Your Apology will either Win or Lose; not the level of the Intelligence of the other Posters...
 
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Hebrews 6 clearly warns that one can lose their salvation. In that text, it was a warning to the newly converted Jews which can also apply likewise to us today if we turn from or denounce Christ after being converted.

Also look at Acts 8:9-24, and Simon the sorcerer who was converted but because he wanted to purchase the power of God that he saw demonstrated by the apostles through the laying on of their hands, he was told to repent or perish.
Hebrews 6 is debatable and your second example is clearly a false assumption since he wanted to buy the Holy Spirit and did not have the Spirit in him.

Peter curses him below .

20 Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23 For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”

24 Then Simon answered, “Pray to the Lord for me so that nothing you have said may happen to me.”
 
I expected this type of response. Duly noted.
Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Is this meant to be you Cursing him?

Because he's already been through that; and come out the other side...
 
I expected this type of response. Duly noted.
Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
A false teacher is a false teacher . He was the father of the WOF movement and Hinn and Copeland are his disciples who are also false teachers . I’ll even say they have an unclean spirit in them not the Spirit of God. They are charlatans. Wolves in sheeps clothing

hope this helps!!!!
 
Hebrews 6 is debatable
Actually, seen in the context of Heb 1-5, it is not debatable.

The writer is stating that if those Hebrew proselytes, to whom the letter is addressed, refuse to enter gospel salvation and apostasize (return to inferior Judaism and Moses), there will be no recovery for them, just as there was no recovery for the Israelites of the promised Canaan rest (from their enemies) when they refused to enter Canaan after having "tasted" it (Nu 14), God declaring, "They shall never enter my rest." (Heb 4:3).
 
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