I just gave you 2 examples FROM SCRIPTURE. Just add a bit of common sense to that, i.e., if a Christian were to denounce Christ and become a Muslim, would he still be saved???Scripture no where teaches a believer can lose their salvation.
I just gave you 2 examples FROM SCRIPTURE. Just add a bit of common sense to that, i.e., if a Christian were to denounce Christ and become a Muslim, would he still be saved???Scripture no where teaches a believer can lose their salvation.
Add some common sense? So you alone hold the truth and therefore can insult people?I just gave you 2 examples FROM SCRIPTURE. Just add a bit of common sense to that, i.e., if a Christian were to denounce Christ and become a Muslim, would he still be saved???
Your examples are your opinions and they are wrong.I just gave you 2 examples FROM SCRIPTURE. Just add a bit of common sense to that, i.e., if a Christian were to denounce Christ and become a Muslim, would he still be saved???
The bible holds the truth, read it. If it insults you, so be it. GoodbyeAdd some common sense? So you alone hold the truth and therefore can insult people?
You should consider being a little more respectful to people you talk with. Why would anyone consider what you think as truth while you are so rude? Is that what truth does to you?The bible holds the truth, read it. If it insults you, so be it. Goodbye
GoodbyeYou should consider bing a little more respectful to people you talk with. Why would anyone consider what you think as truth while you are so rude? Is that what truth does to you?
maybe your beliefs are heresy since no one here affirms them , ever consider that jeremiah ?I don’t consider Arminianism as orthodox (straight praise) but heretical.
If 50 million people say a wrong thing it’s still a wrong thing. — Al Einstein.
Anything outside of Scripture is not inspired by God and does not on the same playing field as authoritative.The Synod at Dort held over 150 meetings with the Remonstrants. In the end the five points of Arminius were rejected and the Heidelburg and Belgic Confessions were upheld.
I hold to that.
Are you or anyone else here familiar with the late Kenneth Hagen? He is the only one I have heard teach on this in a way that made sense to me. The short version is this refers to a mature Christian with specific criteria assigned by the writer of Hebrews. Yes according to that teaching a person could lose their salvation. I know this will be controversial but so be it. I tend to agree with this approach to the doctrine of eternal security. I believe the truth is in between the 2 extremes on this issue. One extreme is that any sin will cause the loss of salvation the other extreme is no sin can possibly cause the loss of salvation. It is my belief the wording of Hebrews 6 can be taken no other way than it is possible to lose one’s salvation but that it is not a common or easy happening. In another post I will to try to relay in detail what Kenneth Hagin taught on this.Hebrews 6:
4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and produces vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
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If you are interested I am curious how you understand this passage.
Or anyone actually. This could be a great discussion.
But that is not the context of Heb 6.Are you or anyone else here familiar with the late Kenneth Hagen? He is the only one I have heard teach on this in a way that made sense to me. The short version is this refers to a mature Christian with specific criteria assigned by the writer of Hebrews. Yes according to that teaching a person could lose their salvation. I know this will be controversial but so be it. I tend to agree with this approach to the doctrine of eternal security. I believe the truth is in between the 2 extremes on this issue. One extreme is that any sin will cause the loss of salvation the other extreme is no sin can possibly cause the loss of salvation. It is my belief the wording of Hebrews 6 can be taken no other way than it is possible to lose one’s salvation but that it is not a common or easy happening. In another post I will to try to relay in detail what Kenneth Hagin taught on this.
Hagen was a wof hereticAre you or anyone else here familiar with the late Kenneth Hagen? He is the only one I have heard teach on this in a way that made sense to me. The short version is this refers to a mature Christian with specific criteria assigned by the writer of Hebrews. Yes according to that teaching a person could lose their salvation. I know this will be controversial but so be it. I tend to agree with this approach to the doctrine of eternal security. I believe the truth is in between the 2 extremes on this issue. One extreme is that any sin will cause the loss of salvation the other extreme is no sin can possibly cause the loss of salvation. It is my belief the wording of Hebrews 6 can be taken no other way than it is possible to lose one’s salvation but that it is not a common or easy happening. In another post I will to try to relay in detail what Kenneth Hagin taught on this.
I expected this type of response. Duly noted.Hagen was a wof heretic
There was a time everyone considered Trinity a heresy until the Advent of the Son.maybe your beliefs are heresy since no one here affirms them , ever consider that jeremiah ?
I was born again in 1980. So it’s a wash . Longevity does not equal maturity or wisdomThere was a time everyone considered Trinity a heresy until the Advent of the Son.
I don't believe Scripture because everyone else does. I study under the anointing and when Scripture contradicts the party line I choose Scripture, pray, pray some more and then test my understanding through Scripture.
Why don't you just speak for yourself and stop trying to gather forces against me through conspiracy.
I'm a born again Christian of 46 years. This makes me your spiritual elder so show some respect for Christ in me.
Please keep the Ad Hominems to yourself. Your Apology will either Win or Lose; not the level of the Intelligence of the other Posters...I just gave you 2 examples FROM SCRIPTURE. Just add a bit of common sense to that, i.e., if a Christian were to denounce Christ and become a Muslim, would he still be saved???
Hebrews 6 is debatable and your second example is clearly a false assumption since he wanted to buy the Holy Spirit and did not have the Spirit in him.Hebrews 6 clearly warns that one can lose their salvation. In that text, it was a warning to the newly converted Jews which can also apply likewise to us today if we turn from or denounce Christ after being converted.
Also look at Acts 8:9-24, and Simon the sorcerer who was converted but because he wanted to purchase the power of God that he saw demonstrated by the apostles through the laying on of their hands, he was told to repent or perish.
Is this meant to be you Cursing him?I expected this type of response. Duly noted.
Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
A false teacher is a false teacher . He was the father of the WOF movement and Hinn and Copeland are his disciples who are also false teachers . I’ll even say they have an unclean spirit in them not the Spirit of God. They are charlatans. Wolves in sheeps clothingI expected this type of response. Duly noted.
Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Actually, seen in the context of Heb 1-5, it is not debatable.Hebrews 6 is debatable