Good News For Habitual Sinners!!!

[David1701]

Okay. Let me check with that member by tagging him then @David1701

Yet to be shown, quoted, and proven.

Those who do not run that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help them lay aside every weight & sin daily will get left behind but guess what? They are still saved for why it is not a works salvation. Those former believers and unrepentant saints left behind are vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth, but still in His House and so running that race is not for obtaining salvation but for obtaining the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House, that eternal glory that comes with our salvation by faith in Jesus Christ to help us to do this.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Where does it say no repentance no salvation?

1 John 5:Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Where does it say no repentance no salvation?

You are the one coming across as preaching works salvation by the emphasis on the sinner on repenting from sins.

Romans 9:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Sinners and even habitual sinners are free to come to Him to save them from their sins and not just give them eternal life.

When we look to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily, that is living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.

God commands all men everywhere to repent. The Lord didn't say that for laughs; he meant it.

 

[ChristB4us]

God commands all men everywhere to repent. The Lord didn't say that for laughs; he meant it.

Do you agree with what @preacher4truth said below from post # 18?

Unbelief is a sin, .....

I agree, but believing in Jesus Christ is the very same thing for what repenting from the sin of unbelief is so why are you resisting changing that Statement of Faith when YOU KNOW evangelicals out there are applying that phrase to mean for the sinners to repent from sin as sin in general for why they are walking away from Jesus Christ because they can't do it when they are slaves to sin as sin has dominion over their lives?

What I do not understand why you guys are resistant to clarify that believing in Jesus Christ is how we are saved hence born again of the Spirit IF you really mean repent from sin is the repenting from unbelief which is done by believing in Jesus Christ?

This is why repentance is not always found in the presentation of the gospel when that specific repentance from the sin of unbelief is done by believing in Jesus Christ and that is what we find most when presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ in scripture.

 

[David1701]

Do you agree with what @preacher4truth said below from post # 18?

I agree, but believing in Jesus Christ is the very same thing for what repenting from the sin of unbelief is so why are you resisting changing that Statement of Faith when YOU KNOW evangelicals out there are applying that phrase to mean for the sinners to repent from sin as sin in general for why they are walking away from Jesus Christ because they can't do it when they are slaves to sin as sin has dominion over their lives?

What I do not understand why you guys are resistant to clarify that believing in Jesus Christ is how we are saved hence born again of the Spirit IF you really mean repent from sin is the repenting from unbelief which is done by believing in Jesus Christ?

This is why repentance is not always found in the presentation of the gospel when that specific repentance from the sin of unbelief is done by believing in Jesus Christ and that is what we find most when presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ in scripture.

Repenting from sin means turning, with all your heart, from the sin you love, to the God you hate. This is completely impossible for the unregenerate sinner, which is why we MUST be born again, in order to repent and believe the gospel.

Yes, unbelief is a sin; but, repentance is from sin in general, not merely from one, specific sin.

 

[ChristB4us]

Repenting from sin means turning, with all your heart, from the sin you love, to the God you hate. This is completely impossible for the unregenerate sinner, which is why we MUST be born again, in order to repent and believe the gospel.

Yes, unbelief is a sin; but, repentance is from sin in general, not merely from one, specific sin.

Brother David. Unless you can reword that better....

If one must be born again in order to turn from sin and then believe, then how can they do it before salvation which you stated is completely impossible for the unregenerated sinner to do?

It is by believing in Jesus Christ is how we are born again of the Spirit. Then we can run that race in looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily.

@preacher4truth Do you agree with how Brother David has commented? Do you guys still not see the need to clarify this statement of faith?

7) We believe that all who repent of sin and receive the Lord Jesus Christ, which is by grace alone, through faith alone, are born of the Holy Spirit and thereby become the children of God and shall not come into condemnation and that the Lord Jesus Christ gives them everlasting life.
(John 1:12-13; 3:16-18,36; 5:24-29; 10:27-29; Acts 4:12; Rom 8:1, 9-12.15-17, 10:9-11;Gal 4:24-29; Eph 1:5; 1John 5:12-13)

I believe it should be read as "All who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead are born again of the Spirit".

How can it be of grace if the sinner repent of sin as something he did in order to be saved?

How can you say "receive the Lord Jesus Christ, which is by grace alone, through faith alone, are born of the Holy Spirit" when it is on the sinner to turn from sin and not just the sin of unbelief when they are slaves to sin?

They are not born again of the Spirit yet to turn from sin just so they can believe in order to be born again of the Spirit when it is by believing in Him is how one is born again of the Spirit.

Maybe this is why I am coming across sinners who believe they have to clean up their lives first before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ because they know they cannot do it. This is why I am sharing my concern with you all.

I would like sinners that the Father is drawing unto the Son to believe in Him as well as believers to come into the forum for the actual Good News of Jesus Christ without any wording in that Statement of Faith to turn them away.

 

[David1701]

Brother David. Unless you can reword that better....

If one must be born again in order to turn from sin and then believe, then how can they do it before salvation which you stated is completely impossible for the unregenerated sinner to do?

It is by believing in Jesus Christ is how we are born again of the Spirit. Then we can run that race in looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily.

@preacher4truth Do you agree with how Brother David has commented? Do you guys still not see the need to clarify this statement of faith?

7) We believe that all who repent of sin and receive the Lord Jesus Christ, which is by grace alone, through faith alone, are born of the Holy Spirit and thereby become the children of God and shall not come into condemnation and that the Lord Jesus Christ gives them everlasting life.
(John 1:12-13; 3:16-18,36; 5:24-29; 10:27-29; Acts 4:12; Rom 8:1, 9-12.15-17, 10:9-11;Gal 4:24-29; Eph 1:5; 1John 5:12-13)

I believe it should be read as "All who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead are born again of the Spirit".

How can it be of grace if the sinner repent of sin as something he did in order to be saved?

How can you say "receive the Lord Jesus Christ, which is by grace alone, through faith alone, are born of the Holy Spirit" when it is on the sinner to turn from sin and not just the sin of unbelief when they are slaves to sin?

They are not born again of the Spirit yet to turn from sin just so they can believe in order to be born again of the Spirit when it is by believing in Him is how one is born again of the Spirit.

Maybe this is why I am coming across sinners who believe they have to clean up their lives first before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ because they know they cannot do it. This is why I am sharing my concern with you all.

I would like sinners that the Father is drawing unto the Son to believe in Him as well as believers to come into the forum for the actual Good News of Jesus Christ without any wording in that Statement of Faith to turn them away.

Part of the order of salvation:

1) The sinner hears the gospel

2) God makes him born again

3) He repents and believes in Jesus

4) It is only now that he can be said to be saved

 

[Deleted member 5]

Brother David. Unless you can reword that better....

If one must be born again in order to turn from sin and then believe, then how can they do it before salvation which you stated is completely impossible for the unregenerated sinner to do?

It is by believing in Jesus Christ is how we are born again of the Spirit. Then we can run that race in looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily.

@preacher4truth Do you agree with how Brother David has commented? Do you guys still not see the need to clarify this statement of faith?

7) We believe that all who repent of sin and receive the Lord Jesus Christ, which is by grace alone, through faith alone, are born of the Holy Spirit and thereby become the children of God and shall not come into condemnation and that the Lord Jesus Christ gives them everlasting life.
(John 1:12-13; 3:16-18,36; 5:24-29; 10:27-29; Acts 4:12; Rom 8:1, 9-12.15-17, 10:9-11;Gal 4:24-29; Eph 1:5; 1John 5:12-13)

I believe it should be read as "All who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead are born again of the Spirit".

How can it be of grace if the sinner repent of sin as something he did in order to be saved?

How can you say "receive the Lord Jesus Christ, which is by grace alone, through faith alone, are born of the Holy Spirit" when it is on the sinner to turn from sin and not just the sin of unbelief when they are slaves to sin?

They are not born again of the Spirit yet to turn from sin just so they can believe in order to be born again of the Spirit when it is by believing in Him is how one is born again of the Spirit.

Maybe this is why I am coming across sinners who believe they have to clean up their lives first before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ because they know they cannot do it. This is why I am sharing my concern with you all.

I would like sinners that the Father is drawing unto the Son to believe in Him as well as believers to come into the forum for the actual Good News of Jesus Christ without any wording in that Statement of Faith to turn them away.

I'm not going to get into it with you as I've already corrected you numerous times only to see you disregard and dismiss the posts. Then you repeat your errors.

 

[ChristB4us]

Part of the order of salvation:

1) The sinner hears the gospel

2) God makes him born again

3) He repents and believes in Jesus

4) It is only now that he can be said to be saved

By repenting of unbelief as enabled by the Father per John 6:44 & Matthew 11:25-27, he believes the gospel by believing in Jesus Christ and then he is born again of the Spirit to live a life of daily repentance with the help of Jesus Christ as His Good Shepherd & Friend to help him follow Him.

 

[David1701]

By repenting of unbelief as enabled by the Father per John 6:44 & Matthew 11:25-27, he believes the gospel by believing in Jesus Christ and then he is born again of the Spirit to live a life of daily repentance with the help of Jesus Christ as His Good Shepherd & Friend to help him follow Him.

Nope.

 

[ChristB4us]

Part of the order of salvation:

1) The sinner hears the gospel

2) God makes him born again

3) He repents and believes in Jesus

4) It is only now that he can be said to be saved

Is this stemming from that "No God Seeker" teaching? Seems a bit convoluted.

Are you saying that God saves the sinner hearing the gospel so that he can repent of sin and then believe in Jesus Christ & get saved then?

How can one be born again of the Spirit in order to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved when it is by believing in Jesus Christ is when we are saved? Sinners hear the gospel and still do not believe and so it is when they believe the gospel they heard is when they are saved.

If that is the order of salvation by how you say it happens, how does that align with the scripture below?

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Reads to me that they are saved when faith is applied in Jesus Christ after hearing the word of God to believe in Him to be saved.

I do not see any turning from sin as in general sin but only repenting from unbelief by believing in Jesus Christ. Was Paul negligent? No.

It is after salvation that they are able to live that reconciled relationship with God as His disciple by looking to Jesus Christ daily to lay aside every weight & sin in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son now that they are born again of the Spirit with Jesus Christ in them.

 

[David1701]

Is this stemming from that "No God Seeker" teaching? Seems a bit convoluted.

Are you saying that God saves the sinner hearing the gospel so that he can repent of sin and then believe in Jesus Christ & get saved then?

How can one be born again of the Spirit in order to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved when it is by believing in Jesus Christ is when we are saved? Sinners hear the gospel and still do not believe and so it is when they believe the gospel they heard is when they are saved.

If that is the order of salvation by how you say it happens, how does that align with the scripture below?

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Reads to me that they are saved when faith is applied in Jesus Christ after hearing the word of God to believe in Him to be saved.

I do not see any turning from sin as in general sin but only repenting from unbelief by believing in Jesus Christ. Was Paul negligent? No.

It is after salvation that they are able to live that reconciled relationship with God as His disciple by looking to Jesus Christ daily to lay aside every weight & sin in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son now that they are born again of the Spirit with Jesus Christ in them.

I posted that one cannot be said to be saved, until one has repented and believed the gospel; since this comes immediately after being born again, being born again, on its own, does not constitute salvation.

 

[ChristB4us]

being born again, on its own, does not constitute salvation.

Where is that in the Bible?

 

[civic]

I posted that one cannot be said to be saved, until one has repented and believed the gospel; since this comes immediately after being born again, being born again, on its own, does not constitute salvation.

David can you clarify this for us. Are you saying a person can be born again and not be saved ?

Thanks

 

[Deleted member 5]

FYI alter calls are not in the bible.

Peter made an alter call in Acts 2:38-40.

 

[Carbon]

Peter made an alter call in Acts 2:38-40.

Really?
Well obviously then you must have some supporting passages. Because Acts 2 teaches no such thing.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Really?

Yes.

Well obviously then you must have some supporting passages. Because Acts 2 teaches no such thing.

OK. Did Peter call them to an altar, or call upon them to be altered? If it is the latter, then it was an "alter" call.

 

[Carbon]

Yes.

OK. Did Peter call them to an altar, or call upon them to be altered? If it is the latter, then it was an "alter" call.

Hhhmmmm

From hearing the word from Paul, the internal call of the Spirit draws them (call it an alter if you like) and applies the word to the new heart. They have become saved (if you will) while they were standing or sitting hearing the message.

 

[David1701]

Where is that in the Bible?

The Bible says that we are saved by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ. If being born again, on its own, saved you, then you would not need faith in Christ.

 

[David1701]

David can you clarify this for us. Are you saying a person can be born again and not be saved ?

Thanks

No: I'm talking about the logical order of the elements in salvation.

 

[civic]

No: I'm talking about the logical order of the elements in salvation.

Ok thanks

 

[ChristB4us]

The Bible says that we are saved by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ. If being born again, on its own, saved you, then you would not need faith in Christ.

Are you getting this from that Early & Latter Rain teaching that is going on over the internet in Christian forums? Just a yes or no shall suffice.

Being born again of the Spirit is by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ for how we are saved. Jesus told Nicodemus that for how and when a person is born again of the Spirit and that is after His ascension which is after His crucifixion for whenever anyone believes in Him, they have eternal life.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So I do not know where you get that line of thinking from but clearly I can see Jesus's refuting it. Hope you see that too.