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[ChristB4us]

Hey buddy, I would suggest that if you want Posters to engage you; don't be so inflexible...

Please do not be here to cause someone to get angry. That's like the number one thing I'm looking to Moderate here at CCAM. The Rules say the Moderator's opinion of what a Violation could be, may differ from what the Moderated Poster thinks. I'm not saying you are doing this; I'm just explaining myself...

Well, if that was offensive, I apologize for following @David1701 's post in that manner as I did not think he was being offensive either.

He tried to be reasonable about our approach to this topic in this discussion and so I had thought I was too by giving an example, even though he did not really give an example for what he had hoped I would understand.

Do you understand the difference between logical order and temporal order?

Anyway... I am still hoping in the Lord to do His ministry of iron sharpening iron here which involves both sides of any discussion.

 

[ReverendRV]

Well in light of your clarification, now that water baptism is out of the way because some do apply both of those verses to that end;...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Just by reading these two verses, it is about the New Birth but the verses does not say how or when.

The point of my references was in light of your questions but in answering the how and when that new birth occurs by the hearing of the word of God is how faith & the Holy Spirit is received for how any of us believe in Jesus Christ therefore a manifested work of the Father in giving us to the Son to save us. That is why those who believe need not look for a sign of having received the Holy Spirit because they had when they believe.

I get it. We all want to push our points...

My next question would be, 'Since both Verses/Passages are about the New Birth, isn't it true that one explains the New Birth before the first Christian Pentecost; and the other explains the New Birth after the first Christian Pentecost?'...

 

[ChristB4us]

I get it. We all want to push our points...

My next question would be, 'Since both Verses/Passages are about the New Birth, isn't it true that one explains the New Birth before the first Christian Pentecost;

No. There was no new birth before Pentecost. I do not see how or where you get that from either of those two references.

Jesus told how and when one is born again of the Spirit as taking place after His ascension in John 3:13 which is after His crucifixion, verse 14 for whenever any one believes in Him verse 15 &16.

So you will have to explain how a new birth as in born again of the Spirit can occur before Pentecost before His crucifixion as before His ascension.

and the other explains the New Birth after the first Christian Pentecost?'...

New birth at and after the first Christian Pentecost; then yes.

 

[ReverendRV]

No. There was no new birth before Pentecost. I do not see how or where you get that from either of those two references.

Jesus told how and when one is born again of the Spirit as taking place after His ascension in John 3:13 which is after His crucifixion, verse 14 for whenever any one believes in Him verse 15 &16.

So you will have to explain how a new birth as in born again of the Spirit can occur before Pentecost before His crucifixion as before His ascension.

New birth at and after the first Christian Pentecost; then yes.

But since people like you who believe the New Birth follows Faith, also believe John 3 and Titus 3:5 teach the New Birth; isn't it true that one instance of teaching the New Birth occurs before Pentecost, and the other instance of teaching the New Birth occurs after Pentecost?


You should also notice that I ask questions in a way I expect to hear a Yes. In the future, when we agree on a different Topic; you will notice I use the same approach on someone else who doesn't want to answer Yes, but they should answer Yes...

 

[ChristB4us]

But since people like you who believe the New Birth follows Faith, also believe John 3 and Titus 3:5 teach the New Birth; isn't it true that one instance of teaching the New Birth occurs before Pentecost, and the other instance of teaching the New Birth occurs after Pentecost?

Well to be clearer; I had believed that the Father draws us unto the Son to reveal His Son to us so we can believe but now He adds to that talent that when receiving the Holy Ghost at hearing the gospel or the word that by believing in Him, we shall receive the remission of sins is how we also receive faith, a fruit of the Spirit, thus receiving the Spirit to believe in Jesus Christ is how we are saved.

You should also notice that I ask questions in a way I expect to hear a Yes. In the future, when we agree on a different Topic; you will notice I use the same approach on someone else who doesn't want to answer Yes, but they should answer Yes...

Well, per your comment in the first quote as addressing how I had believed, I do not see how I have been saying new birth follows faith as if new birth is after faith when faith is the result of the new birth, ( you had touched on that being simultaneous earlier in regards to your view also ) but now I see clearer that the new birth is the cause of receiving faith & the Holy Spirit at the same moment when after hearing the word for how we believe for when we are saved.

 

[ReverendRV]

Well to be clearer; I had believed that the Father draws us unto the Son to reveal His Son to us so we can believe but now He adds to that talent that when receiving the Holy Ghost at hearing the gospel or the word that by believing in Him, we shall receive the remission of sins is how we also receive faith, a fruit of the Spirit, thus receiving the Spirit to believe in Jesus Christ is how we are saved.

Well, per your comment in the first quote as addressing how I had believed, I do not see how I have been saying new birth follows faith as if new birth is after faith when faith is the result of the new birth, ( you had touched on that being simultaneous earlier in regards to your view also ) but now I see clearer that the new birth is the cause of receiving faith & the Holy Spirit at the same moment when after hearing the word for how we believe for when we are saved.

No problem. Have fun with David; and everywhere here. Like I said, people like to promote their Agendas; I ain't immune...

 

[David1701]

Do you understand how a believer can oppose himself? Think of an example in how you tried to show that to those that oppose themselves and see if I am not doing the same thing with you.

You cannot have contrary statements that run against scripture.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

You cannot say one that is born again is not necessarily saved.

You didn't answer my question, so I'll assume that you don't know the difference between logical order and temporal order.

Logical order means that x must, logically speaking, precede y, in that it is necessary for x to exist, in order for y to exist. This does not necessarily mean that x must happen before y in time (temporal order).

As an illustration of what I mean, consider this analogy: a man gives his wife a present of a multi-segmented ornament. Each segment is a different colour. He hands her the ornament, with the orange segment nearest to her. She receives the whole ornament at a point in time, but, in logical order, the orange segment is first and precedes all the others.

 

[ChristB4us]

No problem. Have fun with David; and everywhere here. Like I said, people like to promote their Agendas; I ain't immune...

To your reply once again.

But since people like you who believe the New Birth follows Faith, also believe John 3 and Titus 3:5 teach the New Birth;

Stating my position before the question does allow for a response in regards to your statement about my position. Now for the question.

isn't it true that one instance of teaching the New Birth occurs before Pentecost,

No. It is not true. I had addressed that before. You have yet to prove there was a new birth before Pentecost by the scripture.

and the other instance of teaching the New Birth occurs after Pentecost?

After Pentecost? I had corrected as "at and after Pentecost" but if you want to be strict to your question, but just refer to after Pentecost, then yes, even though that is not the whole truth.

These line of questioning is akin to the court of law where I have to answer questions strictly in a yes or no format in telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and yet it doesn't allow me to tell the whole truth because your question was denying the rebirth at Pentecost.

Just as it is in a court of law, so as it is in your line of questioning.

Disclaimer, I am permitted to change my answer if you are going to claim that rebirth is after Pentecost and thus not including Pentecost.

As it is, the question was twofold; before & after Pentecost for why it is not a yes or no answer if you were thinking I was going to answer the both of them with a yes. It is not. It is NO before Pentecost and YES at & after Pentecost.

You should also notice that I ask questions in a way I expect to hear a Yes. In the future, when we agree on a different Topic; you will notice I use the same approach on someone else who doesn't want to answer Yes, but they should answer Yes...

Stringing someone along with a yes or no answer to questions for why you are asking them is stemming from our discussion about @David1701 's comment on how "one can be born again but yet it does not mean you are saved yet".

Or has that direction of our conversation has changed to a different topic? If so, then I can understand why my questions and replies are not towards that topic when your question is about something else entirely.

Since the premise for your line of questioning is faulty, I can understand why you do not want to continue because I am not agreeing about the rebirth as happening before Pentecost for you to go from there to wherever it is you wish to prove for David's comment.

It would be better if you & David apply scripture for how and why you both say that one can be born again and yet not be saved. Neither one of you has been able to prove a new birth before Pentecost by scripture and so I leave you both with that quandary.

 

[ReverendRV]

To your reply once again.

Stating my position before the question does allow for a response in regards to your statement about my position. Now for the question.

No. It is not true. I had addressed that before. You have yet to prove there was a new birth before Pentecost by the scripture.

After Pentecost? I had corrected as "at and after Pentecost" but if you want to be strict to your question, but just refer to after Pentecost, then yes, even though that is not the whole truth.

These line of questioning is akin to the court of law where I have to answer questions strictly in a yes or no format in telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and yet it doesn't allow me to tell the whole truth because your question was denying the rebirth at Pentecost.

Just as it is in a court of law, so as it is in your line of questioning.

Disclaimer, I am permitted to change my answer if you are going to claim that rebirth is after Pentecost and thus not including Pentecost.

As it is, the question was twofold; before & after Pentecost for why it is not a yes or no answer if you were thinking I was going to answer the both of them with a yes. It is not. It is NO before Pentecost and YES at & after Pentecost.

Stringing someone along with a yes or no answer to questions for why you are asking them is stemming from our discussion about @David1701 's comment on how "one can be born again but yet it does not mean you are saved yet".

Or has that direction of our conversation has changed to a different topic? If so, then I can understand why my questions and replies are not towards that topic when your question is about something else entirely.

Since the premise for your line of questioning is faulty, I can understand why you do not want to continue because I am not agreeing about the rebirth as happening before Pentecost for you to go from there to wherever it is you wish to prove for David's comment.

It would be better if you & David apply scripture for how and why you both say that one can be born again and yet not be saved. Neither one of you has been able to prove a new birth before Pentecost by scripture and so I leave you both with that quandary.

Okay; later...

You Win...

 

[ChristB4us]

You didn't answer my question, so I'll assume that you don't know the difference between logical order and temporal order.

Okay. That is fine. Seems like everybody has a difference opinion about facts and scripture that it would seem best for you to tell me how you understand it so I can be in that same mindset.

Logical order means that x must, logically speaking, precede y, in that it is necessary for x to exist, in order for y to exist. This does not necessarily mean that x must happen before y in time (temporal order).

Okay. Hopefully that will sink in. Seems contradictory though when "x must, logically speaking, precede y," and yet that does not mean "x must happen before y" in time.

To me, I was under the impression that you were going to separate the two but you are combining both for application. Is the latter correct?

As an illustration of what I mean, consider this analogy: a man gives his wife a present of a multi-segmented ornament. Each segment is a different colour. He hands her the ornament, with the orange segment nearest to her. She receives the whole ornament at a point in time, but, in logical order, the orange segment is first and precedes all the others.

Now I am confuse. Are you just applying temporal order here? With a multi-segmented ornament, each with a different color, then the arrangement of that ornament can be different every time because of the order of the different colors that are given. It cannot be a logical order since there is more factors involved than just x preceding y since orange is not really set to be designated as x to start off every time.

Why don't we just stick to scripture by showing me why you say that one born again does not mean they are saved yet?

 

[ChristB4us]

Okay; later...

Whenever you want to provide the scripture for why you believe one can be born again and yet still not be saved, that will be fine for me.

 

[ChristB4us]

For habitual sinners, if you doubt you are saved because of still sinning, if you still believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead, then you are saved because faith is a fruit of the Spirit for why the Holy Spirit still indwells in you.

You can look to Jesus Christ, believing in Him to be your Good Shepherd & friend to help you to follow Him by letting you know what weights ( provision for the flesh ) you need to lay aside as well as the sin and to help you cast down sinful thoughts to think on good things.

Also, the company you keep also has influence and so you should consider asking Jesus for help to not have fellowship with them any more.

1 Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Of late, because of iniquity and apostasy abounding in churches, I am refraining from fellowship of that sort as the Lord has become my refuge.

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

So you are not alone for He is in you & is with you always to help you walk through this valley of death with Him in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son..

 

[David1701]

For habitual sinners, if you doubt you are saved because of still sinning, if you still believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead, then you are saved because faith is a fruit of the Spirit for why the Holy Spirit still indwells in you.

For habitual sinners...

1 John 3:7-9 (EMTV)
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practises righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who practises sin is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this reason the Son of God appeared, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 No one who has been born of God practises sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

 

[ChristB4us]

For habitual sinners...

1 John 3:7-9 (EMTV)
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practises righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who practises sin is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this reason the Son of God appeared, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 No one who has been born of God practises sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

As a reminder to habitual sinners that you are to look to Jesus to destroy the works of the devil in your life as He will turn you away from your iniquities and help you get rid of all things that sows to the works of the flesh and to cast down wicked imaginations and think on good things.

For Christians still struggling with habitual sin, stop looking to yourself to do it as if by keeping a commitment or a promise as if that is the power for living a Christian life. We cannot live this reconciled relationship with God without Jesus Christ so believe in Him in being your Good Shepherd & Friend to help you to follow Him as you believe in Him as your Savior that you are saved simply for having believed in Him.

Indeed, the Father drew you unto the Son;

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The father revealed His Son to you so you can believe in Jesus Christ to be saved.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Now you just need to believe He will deliver you from your bondage to sin and to death and so do not look to yourself to do it; look to Him for help you do this. Jesus died for you and He is willing to go all the way in helping you to walk in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

 

[David1701]

As a reminder to habitual sinners that you are to look to Jesus to destroy the works of the devil in your life as He will turn you away from your iniquities and help you get rid of all things that sows to the works of the flesh and to cast down wicked imaginations and think on good things.

For Christians still struggling with habitual sin, stop looking to yourself to do it as if by keeping a commitment or a promise as if that is the power for living a Christian life. We cannot live this reconciled relationship with God without Jesus Christ so believe in Him in being your Good Shepherd & Friend to help you to follow Him as you believe in Him as your Savior that you are saved simply for having believed in Him.

Born again Christians are not habitual sinners!

1 John 3:4-9 (EMTV)
4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
5 And you know that He appeared that He might take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
6 Everyone who abides in Him does not sin; everyone who sins has not seen Him nor has he known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who practices sin is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this reason the Son of God appeared, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

James 2:17-20 (EMTV)
17 Thus also that faith, if it does not have works, is dead, being by itself.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by means of my works.
19 You believe God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe—and they shudder!
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

This is the last warning I will give you. What you are promulgating ("easy believism") is dangerous heresy; if you don't stop, you will go on "ignore".

 

[ChristB4us]

Born again Christians are not habitual sinners!

1 John 3:4-9 (EMTV)
4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
5 And you know that He appeared that He might take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
6 Everyone who abides in Him does not sin; everyone who sins has not seen Him nor has he known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who practices sin is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this reason the Son of God appeared, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

John was dealing with believers that believed sin was no longer sin if they did it. That was why he referred to Jesus as One that walked in the light and no darkness was in Him for how we have fellowship with the Father & the Son in 1 John 1:3-7 and that if anyone did sin per 1 John 2:1-2, we have an advocate that we can go to in order to confess our sins and He will forgive us of our sins per 1 John 1:9

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

So this was not addressing habitual sinners from coming to Jesus to save them from their sins or believers that erroneously sowed to the works of the flesh in reaping corruption as if they are not saved, but about informing saved believers who is abiding in Him as His disciple from those thar are not by how they walk in darkness.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

 

[ChristB4us]

James 2:17-20 (EMTV)
17 Thus also that faith, if it does not have works, is dead, being by itself.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by means of my works.
19 You believe God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe—and they shudder!
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

James was rebuking the church for trying to get out of helping the poor by just verbalizing the church's faith to the poor that God will provide for the poor without giving the poor anything to help the poor that were at risk of starvation or perishing from the elements.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

If anyone share their faith in God's Providence to the poor, you better be leading by example. It is that kind of faith that requires works because otherwise, the poor cannot see your faith in God to provide if you are unwilling to meet their immediate needs by what you have and so that is why in the eyes of the poor, your faith in God to provide will not "profit" the poor nor "save" the poor. Same for that church James is rebuking as they were also mistreating the poor by respect of person in giving the rich better seatings while making the poor sin on the floor at the beginning of that chapter.

Salvation is not at risk but sharing that kind of faith in God to provide and yet not lead by example, profits none of the poor nor save the poor either.

There may be a risk of being left behind since that is not loving your neighbor as yourself for when you see the need and you can actually help, but you do not want to.

 

[ChristB4us]

This is the last warning I will give you. What you are promulgating ("easy believism") is dangerous heresy; if you don't stop, you will go on "ignore".

Easy believism? This is about going to Jesus Christ for salvation by believing in Him as your Saviour that you are saved AND AFTERWARDS going to Jesus Christ as that High Priest and Good Shepherd & Friend to help us in our times of need. Both requires believing in Him to do this.

Unfortunately, many churches have compromised to rationalize sin; example masturbation, claiming it is not in the Bible and so they & the world says is okay when the word used for masturbation back then was uncleanness, a work of the flesh, located in between fornication and lasciviousness which is sexual excessiveness.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Saved believers are at risk of being left behind thus not being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection in being that vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven. As God commands the churches to do to excommunicate such an unrepentant brother to not even eat with him, so will Jesus Christ do at the pre great tribulation rapture event as mirrored in Corinthians 5th Chapter

Some have gone to rationalizing the grounds for a divorce. Surely you would have heard of that.

Some even believe that fornication is just referring to prostitution.

Some even compromised for same sex marriages and homosexuality as being okay.

Now think about that coming from a sinner's viewpoint when the world teaches other sinners & even Christians that this is normal behavior?

Is it any wonder why the disciples had written an epistles to the saved Gentiles to abstain from these sins after having been saved?

Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

So sinners and saved believers led astray are wondering why these "sins" that are okay are destroying their lives as they get worse & worse.

2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

This is why God is warning actually saved believers not to sow to the works of the flesh.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

And why we need His help daily as we look to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin in following Him. So what is wrong with that?

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

So faith in Jesus Christ is the answer for all of their problems and not just their sins.

 

[David1701]

John was dealing with believers that believed sin was no longer sin if they did it. That was why he referred to Jesus as One that walked in the light and no darkness was in Him for how we have fellowship with the Father & the Son in 1 John 1:3-7 and that if anyone did sin per 1 John 2:1-2, we have an advocate that we can go to in order to confess our sins and He will forgive us of our sins per 1 John 1:9

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

So this was not addressing habitual sinners from coming to Jesus to save them from their sins or believers that erroneously sowed to the works of the flesh in reaping corruption as if they are not saved, but about informing saved believers who is abiding in Him as His disciple from those thar are not by how they walk in darkness.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Let's cut through all the verbiage: do you believe that born again Christians can be "habitual sinners", or not? A simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice.

 

[ChristB4us]

Let's cut through all the verbiage: do you believe that born again Christians can be "habitual sinners", or not? A simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice.

That is not a yes or no answer for why clarification is needed.

A born again believer can be foolish enough to sow to the works of the flesh in reaping corruption; hence develop a habitual sin.

How else can you explain this warning from Peter?

2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Obviously a born again Christian can make the mistake of sowing to the works of the flesh in reaping corruption rather than look to Jesus Christ to help him lay aside every weight & sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

Also a born again believer can make the mistake of religiously trying to overcome sin by looking to themselves in trying to keep a commitment or a promise to do not sin and fail. That is why sin keeps reigning over them. This is why we are to trust Jesus Christ to deliver us from our sins & keep us from them as in lead us away from temptations and deliver us from the evil one for thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever.