God`s Eternal Purposes.

[Marilyn C]

In Christ we are the seed of Abraham and, therefore, inherit all the promises to Abraham (Gal 3:29).

Hi Eleanor,

Let`s look at the scriptures together.

`If you are Christ`s, then you are (of) Abraham`s seed, (Christ) and heirs according to the promise. (singular) ` (Gal. 3: 29)

Christ is Abraham`s seed. We are in Christ, and when He arose, He had a glorified body. We were than born of incorruptible seed not of any human seed. (1 Peter 1: 23)

The word `promise` is singular, not plural, and it refers to the promise of the Holy Spirit.

`the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. ` (Gal. 3: 14)

 

[Marilyn C]

Seed of Abraham?...what does that mean?..I’ve got a lot to learn, go easy on me,

Hi Rita,

You have heard one view of this topic, may I present another view, and then you can seek the Holy Spirit in the word as to what is true.

The scripture is -

`If you are Christ`s, then you are (of) Abraham`s seed, (Christ) and heirs according to the promise. (singular) ` (Gal. 3: 29)

Christ is Abraham`s seed. We are in Christ, and when He arose, He had a glorified body. We were than born of incorruptible seed not of any human seed.

`...having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abodes forever. `(1 Peter 1: 23)

We are not called spiritual Israel, but are the spiritual Body of Christ.


We do not inherit all the promises given to Abraham, but one promise - the Holy Spirit.
`the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. ` (Gal. 3: 14)

 

[Eleanor]

Hi Eleanor,

Let`s look at the scriptures together.

`If you are Christ`s, then you are (of) Abraham`s seed, (Christ) and heirs according to the promise. (singular) ` (Gal. 3: 29)

Christ is Abraham`s seed. We are in Christ, and when He arose, He had a glorified body. We were than born of incorruptible seed not of any human seed. (1 Peter 1: 23)

`the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. ` (Gal. 3: 14)

Agreed.

But it also includes the blessings of Abraham (Gal 3:8-9); e.g., justification by faith, seed Jesus Christ.

 

[Marilyn C]

Agreed.

But it also includes the blessings of Abraham (Gal 3:8-9); e.g., justification by faith, seed Jesus Christ.

Good point there Eleanor.

 

[DialecticSkeptic]

So where does it say `descendants?

Galatians 3:29 (cf. Rom 4:16-17; Gal 4:28):

• (NASB, 1995) And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
• (NET) ... Abraham's descendants, ...
• (Amplified) ... Abraham’s descendants, ...
• (ESV) ... Abraham's offspring, ...
• (NASB, 1977) ... Abraham’s offspring, ...
• (RSV) ... Abraham’s offspring, ...
• (NRSV) ... Abraham’s offspring, ...
• (CEV) ... part of Abraham's family, ...

 

[Marilyn C]

Galatians 3:29 (cf. Rom 4:16-17; Gal 4:28):

• (NASB, 1995) And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
• (NET) ... Abraham's descendants, ...
• (Amplified) ... Abraham’s descendants, ...
• (ESV) ... Abraham's offspring, ...
• (NASB, 1977) ... Abraham’s offspring, ...
• (RSV) ... Abraham’s offspring, ...
• (NRSV) ... Abraham’s offspring, ...
• (CEV) ... part of Abraham's family, ...

Thank you for all those translations. Never seen that before as I mainly use the NKJ.

So, what does the Greek say - `sperma,` something sown, including male sperm and by implication offspring, seed.

Now we know that we are not of Abraham`s male sperm, but born of incorruptible seed. And that `seed` we know is Christ. (1 Peter 1: 23)

Thus, we realize that `you are (OF) Abraham`s seed,` which is Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

Thanks @Eleanor @Marilyn C ....appreciate you helping me understand...
Or maybe that should read, thank you Holy Spirit, for helping me understand through these two Sisters in Christ....you know what I need...that’s no excuse for me not reading your word though.....thank you Lord..I love my living relationship with you.Amen!!....

 

[Eleanor]

Thank you for all those translations. Never seen that before as I mainly use the NKJ.

So, what does the Greek say - `sperma,` something sown, including male sperm and by implication offspring, seed.

Now we know that we are not of Abraham`s male sperm, but born of incorruptible seed. And that `seed` we know is Christ. (1 Peter 1: 23)

Thus, we realize that `you are (OF) Abraham`s seed,` which is Christ.

All the descendants of Abraham are of Abraham's seed, including our spiritual descendancy.

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

One of the eternal purposes of God is to give life to the humans he has created

even his purpose is to take on the form of life himself, for the scriptures say that the Spirit, Holy Of God himself will sit on the throne here on earth and reign forever someday, in his Son Jesus, the Anointing.

we notice Adam and Eve were created as both spirit and body as beings - who were living souls, when his creation is obedient and faithful to serving him and obedience is maintained by his creation " mankind " then the Spirit, Holy of God seeks to have fellowship with them.

In the beginning God created us to live forever and to procreate and have children and multiply as families, God is love and pure and designed his creation to be clean, holy and to have a spiritual union with him.

 

[Marilyn C]

One of the eternal purposes of God is to give life to the humans he has created

even his purpose is to take on the form of life himself, for the scriptures say that the Spirit, Holy Of God himself will sit on the throne here on earth and reign forever someday, in his Son Jesus, the Anointing.

we notice Adam and Eve were created as both spirit and body as beings - who were living souls, when his creation is obedient and faithful to serving him and obedience is maintained by his creation " mankind " then the Spirit, Holy of God seeks to have fellowship with them.

In the beginning God created us to live forever and to procreate and have children and multiply as families, God is love and pure and designed his creation to be clean, holy and to have a spiritual union with him.

I agree with you that God purposes to give life to humans and in His foreknowledge of our fall, to take on human life Himself to bring about restoration of not only humans but all of creation and rulership throughout God`s great kingdom. (Eph. 1: 9 & 10)

I do not agree that He will physically be on the earth ruling for His seat of power and authority is in the highest, above all in this age and the age to come. (Eph. 1: 21) Also, a king named Daived will be regent in the millennium. (Jer. 30: 9, Ez. 37: 24)

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

does this not have much more to do -

with simply being a Regent or Trustee - or a Legal Guardian, Custodian, Warden or a Janitor of God ? ? ?


but rather Jesus is - Manifestation Morph / Form of God - the Spirit of God manifested in the " MORPH / form of a man - - and that the earthly KING, The Lord Jesus will be the fleshly body whom the Eternal Spirit Of The Holy will inhabit and dwell within him - Jesus -

also the scriptures say that Jesus will be given - " A NEW NAME "


in this King - will be God - the Eternal Spirit, Holy - within the man here upon earth as King ?

Also - Please have a look as what the scriptures say about how that God will truly reign as King of the earth - from Jerusalem



The New Heaven and the New Earth

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.


The New Jerusalem

And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, AND THE LAMB IS THE LIGHT thereof.

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of GOD and of the LAMB shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.


This is even prophecy from the Old Testament


Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Psa 47:2 For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.
:6 Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises.
:7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.

Jer 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem


Jer 49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from there - the king and the princes, saith the LORD.

here - Jesus will be given - " A NEW NAME "

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and..............

........ I will write upon him the NAME of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: also - MY NEW NAME.

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

Rev 3:12 MANUSCRIPTS

HIM THAT OVERCOMES I WILL MAKE HIM A PILLAR IN THE TEMPLE OF THE GOD OF ME AND OUTSIDE NOT WILL ANY GO OUT ANY MORE

AND WRITE UPON HIM THE NAME OF THE GOD OF ME AND THE NAME OF THE CITY OF THE GOD OF ME ,, -

OF HIS NEW JERUSALEM THAT DESCENDS DOWN OUT OF THE HEAVEN OF / FROM THE GOD OF ME AND

THE NAME OF ME THAT IS NEW
THE NAME OF ME THAT IS NEW

:12 Greek MANUSCRIPTS

Ο Him - νικων that overcomes - ποιησω I will make - αυτον him - στυλον a pillar -
εν in - τω the - ναω temple - του of the - θεου God - μου of me -

και and - εξω outside - ου not - μη will any - εξελθη go out - ετι any more -
και and - γραψω write - επ upon - αυτον him - το the - ονομα name - του of -
θεου God - μου of me -

και and - το the - ονομα name - της of the - πολεως city - του of the - θεου God -
μου of me - της of his - καινης new - ιερουσαλημ Jerusalem - η that -
καταβαινει descends down - εκ out of - του the - ουρανου heaven - απο of / from - του
the - θεου God - μου of me - και and - το the - ονομα name - μου of me - το that is - καινον new

 

[Marilyn C]

does this not have much more to do -

with simply being a Regent or Trustee - or a Legal Guardian, Custodian, Warden or a Janitor of God ? ? ?


but rather Jesus is - Manifestation Morph / Form of God - the Spirit of God manifested in the " MORPH / form of a man - - and that the earthly KING, The Lord Jesus will be the fleshly body whom the Eternal Spirit Of The Holy will inhabit and dwell within him - Jesus -

also the scriptures say that Jesus will be given - " A NEW NAME "


in this King - will be God - the Eternal Spirit, Holy - within the man here upon earth as King ?

Also - Please have a look as what the scriptures say about how that God will truly reign as King of the earth - from Jerusalem



The New Heaven and the New Earth

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.


The New Jerusalem

And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, AND THE LAMB IS THE LIGHT thereof.

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of GOD and of the LAMB shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.


This is even prophecy from the Old Testament


Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Psa 47:2 For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.
:6 Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises.
:7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.

Jer 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem


Jer 49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from there - the king and the princes, saith the LORD.

here - Jesus will be given - " A NEW NAME "

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and..............

........ I will write upon him the NAME of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: also - MY NEW NAME.

The word `throne,` implies power and authority. Thus in every realm of God`s great kingdom from the third heaven, the Universe and the earth will all have thrones under the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Father tells us where He has appointed His Son King.

`I (Father) have set my King on my holy hill of Zion.` (Ps. 2: 6)

`you have come to mount Zion....to angels...to God...to Jesus..` (Heb. 12: 22 & 23)

Mount Zion in the third heaven is symbolic for the highest ruling throne in all of God`s great kingdom.

The Father seated His Son far above all in this age and the one to come.

`far above all principalities and powers and might and dominion, and every name that is named not only in this age but also in that which is to come. And He put all things under His feet... ` (Eph. 1: 21 - 23)

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

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As a trinitarian can you guess or speculate when God will remove Jesus from sitting on the right hand of the throne of the Father ?

referring to Jesus - when will his glory and seat at the right hand of God be taken away from him ?

 

[Marilyn C]

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As a trinitarian can you guess or speculate when God will remove Jesus from sitting on the right hand of the throne of the Father ?

referring to Jesus - when will his glory and seat at the right hand of God be taken away from him ?

That is a great question. And I don`t have to speculate or guess for that important detail is in God`s word.

Now, we need to remember that Jesus even in His glorified human body is still part of the Godhead by His spirit. Thus the authority of the Father`s right hand, is still His. However, as God`s word tells us He will be given His `own throne.` That means He will be appointed of the Father in His kingship position visibly in the third heaven.

And we know that the Lord is still on the Father`s throne for the Father said, `Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool, )(ready for judgment).` (Ps. 110: 1)

And we know that the Lord, at the Father`s right hand is busy building and maturing His body, `till we all come to the maturity of faith...` (Eph. 4: 13) Then the Father will send Jesus to gather His body together and bring them to the third heaven where He will be inaugurated as supreme ruler of all God`s great kingdom. (Acts 3: 20 & 21)

That highest rulership position (under the Godhead) is the first restoration of rulership in all of God`s great kingdom. (No one or angel being placed as king there since Lucifer fell). From that rulership, the Lord will begin to put down all rule and authority and power (through the trib, and millennium) till finally the NHNE when it will all be delivered back to the Father. (1 Cor. 15: 24 - 28)

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

.
Thank you so very much for replying, I appreciate you taking time to reply and truly I enjoyed reading and understanding more about your faith, can we go directly to the Bible Translation itself and see …………………………..

…………………………..

that the Protestant Trinitarian Translation does NOT present a Jesus whom THAT is FOREVER SETTING DOWN AT or ON THE RIGHT OF GOD. !
please notice - K.J.V Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,,, sat down ON the right hand of God;

here - Jesus, according to the K.J.V Translation is not said to be forever sitting down ON the right hand of God; it says, he had offered one sacrifice for sins FOREVER ,,, sat down ON the right hand of God, it is not saying that Jesus is forever sat on the right hand of God.

If you notice, the difference between the - Protestant K.J.V and the Catholic D.R.B.

K.J.V - Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,,,, sat down on the right hand of God;

D.R.B. - Heb 10:12 But this man, offering one sacrifice for sins,,,,, for ever sitteth on the right hand of God,

Here is the difference
D.R.B. - one sacrifice for sins,,,,, - - - for ever sitteth on the right hand
K.J.V - offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,,,, - - - - sat down on the right hand

followed by verse :13 FROM HENCEFORTH EXPECTING UNTILL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL.

So, this is not forever sitting on the right hand of God nor is this previously sitting on the right hand of God

in the Catholic D.R.B. - the sacrifice for sins is mentioned but they use a comma marking a punctuation to say that he
FOREVER sitteth -

in the Protestant K.J.V - the sacrifice for sins is FOREVER followed by a comma marking a punctuation to say that the one sacrifice for sins is FOREVER, [ comma punctuation mark ] - then he sat down on the right hand.

there are multiple passages in the Translation that express this

Mar 12:36 Sit ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thy enemies thy footstool.
Luk 20:42 Sit thou ON my right hand, - UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Act 2:34 Sit thou ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thy foes thy footstool.
Heb 1:13 Sit ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool?

The Greek word UNTIL is “ ἕως - heōs - heh'-oce “ - meaning = A continuance until (of time and place): - (until, unto), (as) far (as), how long, - up to a while - a duration of a limited time.

In the Trinity TRANSLATION - Jesus was not ON the right hand of God before Jesus is being commanded to be re- positioned, re - located, moved from one position of status and rank of authority progressing and changing his seating order

The Trinitarian Translation presents Jesus as being re - positioned, re - located and moving, changing the placement and status of his position from one existing position to be re located and placed and moved to another position and higher status -
Jesus - was not sitting ON the right hand of God before God located him there ! !

Why are we to believe the Trinitarian teaching that God did not really mean when he said that he would be - ON the right hand of God - UNTLL I make thine enemies thy footstool

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

Also

Please notice the Trinitarian Translation in Joh 17:5

:5 - And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

according to the Trinitarian Translation - Jesus , here - had Glory with the father BEFORE THE WORLD WAS CREATED - and after the creation he suddenly lost all of his glory, Trinitarians - INVENT THE IDEA - that the glory that Jesus had, with the father was - ONLY WITH JESUS BEFORE THAT THE WORLD WAS CREATED. - -

- and after the creation - HE SUDDENLY LOST ALL OF THIS GLORY ?

in Trinitarian theology, Jesus had a “ glory “ with the Father before the world was created, THEN, HE SUDDENLY LOST ALL OF THIS GLORY - IMMEDIATELY after the world was created and then came to be born on earth –

THEN HE RESURRECTS AND ASCENDS TO HEAVEN TO AGAIN RECEIVE AGAIN THE SAME GLORY " THAT HE HAD LOST, " FOR APROX 4000 YEARS - BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE EARTH.

The Trinitarian translation says - Joh 17:5 . . . . .. . Jesus is asking the Father to glorify him now with - the GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. –

- In other words, at this time, he did not possess the glory… WHICH HE HAD BEFORE THE WORLD WAS CREATED

but - here is the original message of the Greek manuscript.

:5 και And - νυν now - δοξασο glorify - με me - συ you - πατερ father - παρα from - σεαυτω yourself, - τη the - δοξη glory - η that - ειχον I had - προ before -

του unto - τον the - κοσμο world - ειναι that is - παρα from - σοι you.

Meaning
5 AND NOW GLORIFY ME YOU FATHER FROM YOURSELF, THE GLORY THAT I HAD BEFORE,
UNTO THE WORLD THAT IS FROM YOU.


The manuscripts say absolutely nothing about a Jesus whom - LOST ALL OF HIS GLORY - IMMEDIATELY after the world was created,

The Trinitarian Jesus is invented in the Translation by inserting modification, changing, alteration into the message to present a narrative that Jesus is a second CO PERSON whom is eternal CO PERSON - CO - SPIRIT - whom is moving, progressing, modifying - up and down - back and forth and adapting and morphing through stages of power and glory - his equality, his existence , his person -

his “ TRINITARIAN REPUTATION “ AND GLORY AND POSITION WITH GOD - is progressing changing, his status of rank - moves up and down forward and backwards constantly and continually loosing and regaining his glory -

and the Trinity denies the Power of glory eternally ?

the Trinitarian Translation in Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

according to the Trinitarian Translation - Jesus had Glory with the father BEFORE THE WORLD WAS CREATED - and after the creation he lost all of his glory, - why was it important TO INVENT THE IDEA - that the glory that Jesus had, with the father was - ONLY WITH JESUS, BEFORE THAT THE WORLD WAS CREATED. - - - and after the creation he lost this glory ?

The Trinitarian translation says - Joh 17:5 . . . . .. . Jesus is asking the Father to glorify him now with - the GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. - - In other words at this time, he did not possess the glory… … … .

- immediately, - just after the EARTH was created - he lost his Glory with the Father - only to regain the glory again, after he had been resurrected. How then, is he Co – Eternal Son - or as Co - Equal Son - or as Co - Omnipresent Son ?
He never even had been born to the human creation before the world - HOW IS HE THE SAME ?

if he goes up and down - back and forth - over and under - - progressing up and down and then up again, moving, changing, modifying, progressing and adapting and morphing through stages of power and glory - his equality, his existence , his person - changing his status of rank - loosing and regaining his glory - and does not have the power or ability or right to maintain his glory eternally ?

This contradicts the Trinity doctrine. ? what is Co - Eternal - Co - Equal - - Co - Omnipresent Son - HOW IS JESUS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER ? - __

 

[juxtaposeraphim]

Please remember – in John 8:42 - Jesus says three things here, about his identity.

i COME - “ εκ EX / OUT “ FROM THE GOD
i COME NOT FOR FROM / OF - MYSELF
i COME NEITHER MYSELF I - SENT


εγω I AM - γαρ FOR - εκ OUT / FROM - του THE - θεου GOD - εξηλθον CAME OUT - και AND - ηκω COME - ουδε NOT - γαρ FOR - απ FROM / OF - εμαυτου MYSELF - εληλυθα I COME - αλλ NEITHER - εκεινος MYSELF - με I - απεστειλεν SENT.

:42

i COME - “ εκ EX / OUT “ FROM THE GOD -–

i COME NOT ALSO FROM / OF - MYSELF –

i COME NEITHER MYSELF I - SENT –

If bodily human Jesus did not come from or of himself, how is he pre - existing in bodily form ?

If he is coming OUT OF / EXITING OUT from God and not come from or of himself - how is he pre - existing in bodily form ? God does not have a body - he is an invisible spirit.

The Trinitarian Jesus is - EXPECTING UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL - he will be seated ON the right hand of God, why should we not expect the very same thing that Jesus expects ?

Trinitarians have a “ SURPRISE REVELATION “ a new revelation to alter and change the plan of God and change the expectation of Jesus, God will go against his own word and against the EXPECTATION of Jesus and God will change his own word and alter his plan and decide to leave him forever sitting ON the right hand of God ?

Because the trinity doctrine was invented - it has created the supernatural power to alter and change the plan of God and change the expectation of Jesus ? just because trinitarians invented a formula and inserted it into the translation by altering and changing the original message.

 

[Marilyn C]

The Godhead - Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal, in unity and of the same mind, however in function there is a hierarchy.


Divine Procession.


Godhead - At the source there is the provision by the whole Godhead,


Father - with the initial movement of the Father;

Son - the administration of the Son;

Holy Spirit - and the direct agency of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Carbon]

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My Comments -

God says - `Give no offence, either to the Jews or to the Greeks (nations) or to the church of God,..` (1 Cor. 10: 32)

We know from God`s word that He created the nations from Noah and His family. Later God called out another nation for Himself, Israel, from the other nations. Then after Christ ascended to the Father He was made Head of another group that was called out from Israel and from the nations - the Body of Christ.

God chose the Jews by which He would work through all the types and shadows and prophecy concerning Christ. All believers from beginning to end are part of the body of Christ.

Thus, God recognizes - nations, Israel and the Body of Christ.

I disagree.

1. The above notes on `election` only deals with those who come to Christ after His ascension.

God in His foreknowledge destined those who came into Christ to `be conformed to the image of His Son.` (Rom. 8: 29) This is only possible by the Holy Spirit who enables the believer to partake of the divine nature. (2 Peter 1: 4)

Those pre-cross did not have this privilege. Those like Abel etc (Heb. 11) were given the promise of the city, and by obeying God for that they were accounted righteous. (Heb. 11: 13 - 16)

Then there are those who never received any promise but obeyed their God-given conscience and will be judged according to their works. (Rev. 20: 13)

2. The Chosen. God`s mercy is for the `whosoever.` Thus when someone responds to the Spirit drawing them to God it is like `going through a door which has `whosoever ` on the front. Then when they go through and look back they see on the inside of the door, `Chosen` in Christ before the foundation of the world.

God is not partial, but according to His eternal purpose in Christ in the `fullness of the times he may gather in one, (harmony) all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth - in Christ,` all under His authority.

A grand topic.

This is a grand topic and would require a long thread, which I have no problem with. So, it may be good to break it up and deal with parts at a time.