GOD CREATED MAN (ADAM) SINFUL

[jeremiah1five]

Now you're talking...

Adam was Created a little lower than the Angels, and THE Angel Sinned in the Perfect environment of Heaven...

Was Adam created lower than Christ in all His pre-human and human glory?

 

[ReverendRV]

Was Adam created lower than Christ in all His pre-human and human glory?

An Unfallen Adam, and Jesus the son of Mary; were on equal footing because Jesus suppressed the expression of his Divinity, in order to live on the level of an Unfallen Adam...

 

[civic]

Was Adam created lower than Christ in all His pre-human and human glory?

was adam God incarnate ?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

How does that apply to babies who haven't committed an act of sin?

SO according to your understanding, ALL babies, and the unborn who die in utero (Whether naturally or by being murdered by their mothers) are automatically hell-bound sinners.

Personally, I expect to meet Angeline (our first born, who didn't make it) later in Heaven. YOU can believe whatever you please.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

And his human nature was fallen short of the glory of God.
In the Genesis account there is no evidence he lusted.
It says his wife gave it to him and he ate.
No lust is indicated.

Do you even know what "LUST" is??

 

[civic]

Do you even know what "LUST" is??

Good to see you my old friend !!!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Jesus spent 30 years trying to be Perfected; from his Baptism on, he had to maintain his Perfection until his Death. YEC vs OEC aside, Adam was Good for maybe a day before he Fell. Jesus was Good for 30 years before he was Perfected. In their State of Good Innocence, neither were Sinners...

Which handles the question of: "what does God do about babies" nicely. The "Original SIN" foolishness seems rather pervasive in Christendom. One BECOMES a "SINNER" when for the first time they SIN, and fall short of God's glory. The rest is nothing but "Theology". Adam's HUMAN NATURE never changed. Jesus was given EXACTLY the same temptations as Adam, but Jesus "Aced them", and stayed sinless.

 

[civic]

SO according to your understanding, ALL babies, and the unborn who die in utero (Whether naturally or by being murdered by their mothers) are automatically hell-bound sinners.

Personally, I expect to meet Angeline (our first born, who didn't make it) later in Heaven. YOU can believe whatever you please.

Amen.

 

[ReverendRV]

Which handles the question of: "what does God do about babies" nicely. The "Original SIN" foolishness seems rather pervasive in Christendom. One BECOMES a "SINNER" when for the first time they SIN, and fall short of God's glory. The rest is nothing but "Theology". Adam's HUMAN NATURE never changed. Jesus was given EXACTLY the same temptations as Adam, but Jesus "Aced them", and stayed sinless.

But Eve's Nature changed Bob; she passed down Pain in Childbirth. It is the Curse of Original Sin in Adam...

 

[brightfame52]

An Unfallen Adam, and Jesus the son of Mary; were on equal footing because Jesus suppressed the expression of his Divinity, in order to live on the level of an Unfallen Adam...

An unfallen Adam was still but natural, Jesus was always Spiritual

 

[civic]

An unfallen Adam was still but natural,

thats nowhere found in scripture that is based upon your assumption.

 

[Eleanor]

So, we are sinners because we sin?
How does that apply to babies who haven't committed an act of sin?
If the baby was strong enough he/she would reach up and strangle its mother.
But they are not strong enough and this doesn't happen?

Isn't it that we sin because we are sinners?

We are sinners because we are descendants of Adam, who was not a sinner until he made himself one by disobeying God's law.

 

[Eleanor]

The Good not Perfect Adam, like the Good not Perfect Jesus; was Tempted but without Sin...

Our notion of "perfect" makes that "iffy" for me.

The not-complete Jesus was completed in obedience.

 

[civic]

Our notion of "perfect" makes that "iffy" for me.

The not-complete Jesus was completed in obedience.

And He was/ is fully God lacking nothing in His Deity. Unlike Adam Jesus was Impeccable

 

[jeremiah1five]

An Unfallen Adam, and Jesus the son of Mary; were on equal footing because Jesus suppressed the expression of his Divinity, in order to live on the level of an Unfallen Adam...

But Adam sinned.
Where did his sin come from?

 

[jeremiah1five]

We are sinners because we are descendants of Adam, who was not a sinner until he made himself one by disobeying God's law.

So we are sinners because we sin?

 

[jeremiah1five]

was adam God incarnate ?

No. And that's the point.
Adam was created sinful or "missing the mark" of the glory of God.
If Adam was not God-incarnate or Deity then he was created fallen SHORT of God's glory.
"Missing the mark."
The word is "harmatia" and it is translated "sin."
Thanks for the assist.

 

[jeremiah1five]

SO according to your understanding, ALL babies, and the unborn who die in utero (Whether naturally or by being murdered by their mothers) are automatically hell-bound sinners.

Personally, I expect to meet Angeline (our first born, who didn't make it) later in Heaven. YOU can believe whatever you please.

Only those whose names are in the book of life are the elect to salvation at any age.
Only those.
And I placed a question mark at the end.

 

[jeremiah1five]

thats nowhere found in scripture that is based upon your assumption.

Of course it's Scriptural:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Cor. 15:43–49.

Adam was natural. Earthy. Natural and earthy are from below, not above.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Which handles the question of: "what does God do about babies" nicely. The "Original SIN" foolishness seems rather pervasive in Christendom. One BECOMES a "SINNER" when for the first time they SIN, and fall short of God's glory. The rest is nothing but "Theology". Adam's HUMAN NATURE never changed. Jesus was given EXACTLY the same temptations as Adam, but Jesus "Aced them", and stayed sinless.

Stayed sinless?
There was no way the Son of God could sin.
There is no comparison between Adam and Christ.
One was sinful the other was sinless.