GOD CREATED MAN (ADAM) SINFUL

[jeremiah1five]

They possessed the men.

If so, then it would be male/human sperm produced in male/human testicles, ejaculating from a male/human penis impregnating the women, meaning the conception especially human.

The reason God wiped out the world was because the offspring were irredeemable.

That's the Constantinian Gentile belief of centuries gone past. I suppose God did destroy the fifty righteous souls with the wicked as He did with Sodom and Gomorrah then.
Human sperm with human egg and the offspring were not "fully human"? That's like saying a Hebrew man and a Hebrew woman having non-Hebrew offspring.

We have no idea what God has created, but the Bible says it happened, so therefore there was a way that it happened. I mean, sure, throw away the Bible since it doesn't make sense to you, but you really shouldn't.

No, it should make sense because God is "REASONABLE" (Isaiah 1:18) and is very sensible, too. One might think God's way of our being exalted is to humble oneself doesn't make sense, or that if you want to be rich then give away everything you have to the poor, or to have eternal life you must give your life up in this world today.
To the unbeliever it may seem not to 'make sense' but to believers it makes all the sense in the Church.
Doesn't it say God ordained that apple seed bring forth apples as orange seeds bring forth oranges?

You are laughing at the Bible. In Job, what does it say about the angels in heaven? Job 1:6 "6 Now there was a day when the [b]sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and [c]Satan also came among them. "

I'm a son of God. Jesus is a Son of God. Why don't you insert your unreasonable interpretation that sons of God are angels with me and Jesus? Could be. Some women have at times called me "an angel." The word "satan" means "adversary." It is also used of men in the Old Testament: 1 Sam, 29:4, 2 Sam. 19:22, 1 Kings 5:4, 1 Kings 11:14, and verse twenty-three. Only among bible students do they take an adjective and change it into a noun or personal pronoun making for bad grammar.

No...no they aren't. Again, read Job, which supposedly occurred BEFORE the flood.

The sons of God who are considered so, ARE NOT SINNERS. All humans, no matter who they were were all sinners. Why would you mark God with sin? Why??? God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.

I also know there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His shekinah glory to NO ONE. Sinlessness is a glory of God. But you violate what Isaiah said God said about Himself by having God give His glory of sinlessness to man in his creative make up, failing to recognize that if anyone does possess any one Deific nature and attribute of God, he/she would by necessity must possess ALL deific nature and attributes of God or they would fall short of His glory. The word for that is sin.

I find it difficult to impossible to read commentaries. I didn't get it from a commentary.

Try studying under the anointing.

Too much gnosticism in your belief. You deny what God said in Genesis. Let's make man in our own image, and thus He did.

So, when a person becomes born-again and is created "in righteousness and true holiness" (Eph. 4:24) there really is no change, no conversion from darkness to light, no restoration into the image of God since they already possess the image of God. I mean, I've heard it countless times how people say we are "all children of God" even the wicked, but do we ALL really have the same Father? Do we ALL really come from the one same seed? There is no distinction between seed of the woman and seed of the serpent.

The image of God is Christ and God looked forward, ordained actually, in so many words that it is the new believer who is born of the Spirit that is made in the image of God because the true image of the Father is the Son, and the Son is Christ in us. Mirror. But not before conversion.

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col. 1:15. (firstborn of every born-again creature because we become children of God in our conversion, but not before. )

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, Heb 1:2–3.

Just as Jesus told Philip "if you see me, you are seeing the Father" the same applies to us in our conversion and we live holy, righteous lives and are an epistle to be read of men that some may see a distinction in living the light in our lives that elicits comment of being a "Christ-ian" separated unto God, and as Saul, "under the law blameless."

We are NOT all children of God - depraved and atoned together - because that doesn't work. THINK!

However, we are but a very dim reflection of that. We can do things that God does, to a MUCH LESSER degree. Why? We aren't God. We can create... from things that already exist.

There is no "create" when we invent things from that which already exists. True creation must be original and not just an improvement of something that already exists.

We can design, but nothing even coming close to approaching the grand design.

So, in all our "creating" it still falls short of the glory of God. But we can't "create" anything original like God can except only improve of what already exists.

You really need to pray for the Holy Spirit to teach you what the Bible is saying.

You're doing a bang-up job believing angels and women can procreate and violate the decree of God of like begetting like (after their kind.)

We all fall short of His glory, and you don't even need this argument.

No, and the word "good" proves that the created man and the creatures and the herb-yielding seed were created "to specification" and in line with the plan of God. Consider we do the same thing with a 'job well done' or a recipe that comes out "good" (to specification.)

His purpose was for them to be...to add to His glory. When they fell, the fell short of their purpose.

Adam and the woman were already sinners. Adding to God's words ("neither shall ye touch it") proves they were sinners before the debunked "Fall of man" (Prov. 30:6.) It's called "lying" and lying is a sin.

Then God created sin. God created imperfection. That means that His nature is sinful and imperfect.

There is a reason WHY a "lamb was slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world." The same principle exists where the high priest must go through purification and washings and cleansings BEFORE he can enter the Holy of Holies in the Presence of God. There must be at-one (ment), an atonement of sorts before a Righteous God can even consider creating an unrighteous being: man. God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself. I also know you've never considered or thought through the question as to why a lamb was slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world. Nobody has. But you heard it here first. God was busy in the Heavenly Tabernacle which is why it was extremely important Moses had the earthly Tabernacle built EXACTLY patterned after the Heavenly Tabernacle. Sacrifices in the earthly Tabernacle were to represent PERFECTLY the sacrifice performed in the Heavenly Tabernacle "from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world." Sacrifices in the earthly Tabernacle made the people blameless the same way the sacrifice in the Heavenly Tabernacle made a Righteous God BLAMELESS in creating a sinful being: man.

Apparently you never learned the lesson shown through Apollos. He had two commentaries (Aquilla and Priscilla) who scripture says taught Him about God from scripture, PROPERLY.

I have no eyes for I don't walk by sight but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
And that is the Truth.

 

[Mr GLee]

If so, then it would be male/human sperm produced in male/human testicles, ejaculating from a male/human penis impregnating the women, meaning the conception especially human.

Hi. .

I would offer.

I think we must be careful how we hear what we hear from whom we hear Satan quick to snatch the spiritual seed, Christ our Holy Father

I believe its not about an outward Jew, dying mankind that get praises from dying mankind

It is seed as in one Christ (Spirit) . . . . . not seeds (flesh and blood)


Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

It would appear to be one of those "do not even think about" loving, warning. . . doctrines

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these(lively) stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

The foundation for Catholicism , Peter as the Holy Father. We have Peter to our Holy Father ,Holy See ,etc

Oral traditons of dying mankind . I would think under the foundational law of Paganism. "Out of sight of mind" no invisible
head Christ

 

[TMSO]

If so, then it would be male/human sperm produced in male/human testicles, ejaculating from a male/human penis impregnating the women, meaning the conception especially human.

That's the Constantinian Gentile belief of centuries gone past. I suppose God did destroy the fifty righteous souls with the wicked as He did with Sodom and Gomorrah then.

Human sperm with human egg and the offspring were not "fully human"? That's like saying a Hebrew man and a Hebrew woman having non-Hebrew offspring.

No, it should make sense because God is "REASONABLE" (Isaiah 1:18) and is very sensible, too. One might think God's way of our being exalted is to humble oneself doesn't make sense, or that if you want to be rich then give away everything you have to the poor, or to have eternal life you must give your life up in this world today.
To the unbeliever it may seem not to 'make sense' but to believers it makes all the sense in the Church.
Doesn't it say God ordained that apple seed bring forth apples as orange seeds bring forth oranges?

I'm a son of God. Jesus is a Son of God. Why don't you insert your unreasonable interpretation that sons of God are angels with me and Jesus? Could be. Some women have at times called me "an angel." The word "satan" means "adversary." It is also used of men in the Old Testament: 1 Sam, 29:4, 2 Sam. 19:22, 1 Kings 5:4, 1 Kings 11:14, and verse twenty-three. Only among bible students do they take an adjective and change it into a noun or personal pronoun making for bad grammar.

I also know there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His shekinah glory to NO ONE. Sinlessness is a glory of God. But you violate what Isaiah said God said about Himself by having God give His glory of sinlessness to man in his creative make up, failing to recognize that if anyone does possess any one Deific nature and attribute of God, he/she would by necessity must possess ALL deific nature and attributes of God or they would fall short of His glory. The word for that is sin.

Try studying under the anointing.

So, when a person becomes born-again and is created "in righteousness and true holiness" (Eph. 4:24) there really is no change, no conversion from darkness to light, no restoration into the image of God since they already possess the image of God. I mean, I've heard it countless times how people say we are "all children of God" even the wicked, but do we ALL really have the same Father? Do we ALL really come from the one same seed? There is no distinction between seed of the woman and seed of the serpent.

The image of God is Christ and God looked forward, ordained actually, in so many words that it is the new believer who is born of the Spirit that is made in the image of God because the true image of the Father is the Son, and the Son is Christ in us. Mirror. But not before conversion.

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col. 1:15. (firstborn of every born-again creature because we become children of God in our conversion, but not before. )

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, Heb 1:2–3.

Just as Jesus told Philip "if you see me, you are seeing the Father" the same applies to us in our conversion and we live holy, righteous lives and are an epistle to be read of men that some may see a distinction in living the light in our lives that elicits comment of being a "Christ-ian" separated unto God, and as Saul, "under the law blameless."

We are NOT all children of God - depraved and atoned together - because that doesn't work. THINK!

There is no "create" when we invent things from that which already exists. True creation must be original and not just an improvement of something that already exists.

So, in all our "creating" it still falls short of the glory of God. But we can't "create" anything original like God can except only improve of what already exists.

You're doing a bang-up job believing angels and women can procreate and violate the decree of God of like begetting like (after their kind.)

No, and the word "good" proves that the created man and the creatures and the herb-yielding seed were created "to specification" and in line with the plan of God. Consider we do the same thing with a 'job well done' or a recipe that comes out "good" (to specification.)

Adam and the woman were already sinners. Adding to God's words ("neither shall ye touch it") proves they were sinners before the debunked "Fall of man" (Prov. 30:6.) It's called "lying" and lying is a sin.

There is a reason WHY a "lamb was slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world." The same principle exists where the high priest must go through purification and washings and cleansings BEFORE he can enter the Holy of Holies in the Presence of God. There must be at-one (ment), an atonement of sorts before a Righteous God can even consider creating an unrighteous being: man. God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself. I also know you've never considered or thought through the question as to why a lamb was slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world. Nobody has. But you heard it here first. God was busy in the Heavenly Tabernacle which is why it was extremely important Moses had the earthly Tabernacle built EXACTLY patterned after the Heavenly Tabernacle. Sacrifices in the earthly Tabernacle were to represent PERFECTLY the sacrifice performed in the Heavenly Tabernacle "from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world." Sacrifices in the earthly Tabernacle made the people blameless the same way the sacrifice in the Heavenly Tabernacle made a Righteous God BLAMELESS in creating a sinful being: man.

I have no eyes for I don't walk by sight but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
And that is the Truth.

Okay, there is a lot that you don't seem to get. Again, Job defined "sons of God" as angels. When the Old testament talks about humanity, it is sons of man, just as it says "daughters of men" and not "daughters of God". Also, your whole take ignores passages in scripture such as this one from Jude:
"
Jude
"6 And angels who did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling place, these He has kept in eternal restraints under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in sexual perversion and went after [g]strange flesh, are exhibited as an [h]example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.""

I say possession because the Bible doesn't explain exactly what happened other then these "angels", these "sons of God" went into the "daughters of men". It doesn't take a genius to understand what "went into" means here. They took them home and.. had there way with them. Jude says it happened. Peter also talks about it and pegs it to Noah's flood. So, at first you have humanity doing so well, having children. And then you have these sons of God going into the daughters of men, and all of a sudden the children are "mighty men of old". I mean, obviously there is something different here. Nephilim. "Those who fell..." (original definition of the word nephilim. Since all but Noah's family died in the flood, they were obviously wiped out.)

I just read some of what you wrote, and since you seem to be unitarian, we have nothing to discuss, as I go with what John says we are to do in I John. Run away... very fast.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Okay, there is a lot that you don't seem to get. Again, Job defined "sons of God" as angels.

No, he didn't. That's YOUR conclusion. No man in Scripture ever said men were angels.

When the Old testament talks about humanity, it is sons of man, just as it says "daughters of men" and not "daughters of God". Also, your whole take ignores passages in scripture such as this one from Jude:

Sons of God are men who "called upon the Lord" and were obedient to God in relationship with him. They certainly could not be obedient sons of men. Daughters of men are the disobedient women that were not part of the godly group from Seth. This is what happens when believers are unequally yoked with disobedient women. Their children under influence of the women grow up lawless, which is what the word "nephalim" means. It means "tyrant" and "bullies."

"
Jude
"6 And angels who did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling place, these He has kept in eternal restraints under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in sexual perversion and went after [g]strange flesh, are exhibited as an [h]example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.""

Angels don't have flesh. Believers went after strange flesh meaning women, and women who knew not God. Unequally yoked.

I say possession because the Bible doesn't explain exactly what happened other then these "angels", these "sons of God" went into the "daughters of men". It doesn't take a genius to understand what "went into" means here. They took them home and.. had there way with them.

Your interpretation says these sinning angels entered into HOLY matrimony when Jesus said angels do not marry. You have spirit beings that have no genitalia nor DNA and are spirits which are like wind over your skin. But angels do not have free will and although their sin was in their "hearts" all angels are STILL obedient to the One True God. God is Sovereign and controls His creation. Unlike you I don't believe in Dualism.

Jude says it happened. Peter also talks about it and pegs it to Noah's flood.

You're confusing these passages. Once sin was found in their "heart" (Lucifer said, "I will ascend into heaven, etc.," but there was no ascension. God dealt with him and his buddies, all the angels that sinned because they were created sinful) happened before man was created. And Peter says the angels that sinned are locked up, so, that means they have no interaction with man. You're believing a Catholic doctrine that comes from medieval times when superstition was the norm instead of basing one's beliefs on the Word of God which was controlled by the Catholic hierarchy and not the common man which came later, and viola' REFORMATION!

So, at first you have humanity doing so well, having children. And then you have these sons of God going into the daughters of men, and all of a sudden the children are "mighty men of old". I mean, obviously there is something different here. Nephilim. "Those who fell..." (original definition of the word nephilim. Since all but Noah's family died in the flood, they were obviously wiped out.)

I just read some of what you wrote, and since you seem to be unitarian, we have nothing to discuss, as I go with what John says we are to do in I John. Run away... very fast.

Jesus said angels don't marry. How are you going to handle that?

 

[Mr GLee]

Okay, there is a lot that you don't seem to get. Again, Job defined "sons of God" as angels. When the Old testament talks about humanity, it is sons of man, just as it says "daughters of men" and not "daughters of God". Also, your whole take ignores passages in scripture such as this one from Jude:
"
Jude
"6 And angels who did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling place, these He has kept in eternal restraints under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in sexual perversion and went after [g]strange flesh, are exhibited as an [h]example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.""

I say possession because the Bible doesn't explain exactly what happened other then these "angels", these "sons of God" went into the "daughters of men". It doesn't take a genius to understand what "went into" means here. They took them home and.. had there way with them. Jude says it happened. Peter also talks about it and pegs it to Noah's flood. So, at first you have humanity doing so well, having children. And then you have these sons of God going into the daughters of men, and all of a sudden the children are "mighty men of old". I mean, obviously there is something different here. Nephilim. "Those who fell..." (original definition of the word nephilim. Since all but Noah's family died in the flood, they were obviously wiped out.)

I just read some of what you wrote, and since you seem to be unitarian, we have nothing to discuss, as I go with what John says we are to do in I John. Run away... very fast.

Nephilim .Men of renown (giants of faith ) used with God people and unbelievers A good example. David and Goliath .One renown against the other. renown It used 9 times in that way.in the old testament

Sons of God (born again believers) Jesus the first born of many .

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Believers (sons of God) were being unevenly yoked as it seems with non believer. . . it brought about the flood .

The earth was previously watered "mist" from earth coming up .(water representing the Holy Spirt) It would seem previously some credit for inspiration was given to the flesh. They saw no value in the spiritual things of God. He turned inspiration right side up from heaven, ,

Giving us sign of peace to putting a end of trussing any man .

There were still sons of God after the flood. The loving commandment not to unevenly yoked .still aplies.

James 3: 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

 

[TMSO]

Nephilim .Men of renown (giants of faith ) used with God people and unbelievers A good example. David and Goliath .One renown against the other. renown It used 9 times in that way.in the old testament

Sons of God (born again believers) Jesus the first born of many .

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Believers (sons of God) were being unevenly yoked as it seems with non believer. . . it brought about the flood .

The earth was previously watered "mist" from earth coming up .(water representing the Holy Spirt) It would seem previously some credit for inspiration was given to the flesh. They saw no value in the spiritual things of God. He turned inspiration right side up from heaven, ,

Giving us sign of peace to putting a end of trussing any man .

There were still sons of God after the flood. The loving commandment not to unevenly yoked .still aplies.

James 3: 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

So why all of a sudden did we go from no great men of renown to men of renown. Something changed. What changed? The sons of God went in to the daughters of men. There is something about that which caused offspring that were beyond the pale. "4 The [e]Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."

The earth was previously watered by a mist from the earth coming up (like dew) because it had not rained. This is because there was a firmament around the Earth that separated the water above from the water below. There is no spiritualization of history. All alive in the flood died, except for Noah and his family. So where did these "sons of God" come from?

 

[Sheila3]

There is a lot to cover so bear with me.
Let's go.

There is no difference between the Laws of God and His Commands.
The Laws of God are His Commands, and the Commands of God are Law.

What was the 'make-up' of man? Was he holy? Righteous? Sinless? Innocent? Good? And what does "good" mean?

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Romans 3:10.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:20.

Knowledge of sin. Isn't that the name given to the tree in Eden the Garden of God?
The Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil.
So, the purpose of the Tree was to give the man the KNOWLEDGE of sin. It didn't make him sinful.
But did Christ die for the knowledge of sin? No, He did not. He died for sin.

15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Romans 4:15.

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:16–17.

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 5:13.

But there was a law in the Garden. There was a "thou shalt not" in the Garden, and the Law shows us we are sinners. It doesn't make us sinners, but it shows we are sinners.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. Romans 7:7–9.

If there is no law, there is no sin.
But there was a Law, a Command in the Garden. God said, "Thou shalt not [eat of it]."
As Paul says, the existence of a Law/Command shows us we are sinners. Paul says, "I had not KNOWN lust, except the Law/Command had said, thou shalt not covet."
So, let's apply this to the first man.

ADAM: "I had not KNOWN sin but by the Law/Command. I had not KNOWN disobedience except the Law/Command said, thou shalt not [eat of it.]"

Pretty straightforward. The Law/Command in the Garden showed that the first man (Adam) was a sinner BEFORE he sinned for the existence of Law/Command shows us we are sinners, as Paul said, "I had not KNOWN sin but by the [existence] of the Law/Command. Paul didn't have to lust to have broken the Law against coveting. It was the Law/Command that showed him he was a sinner before the actual act of sin.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. Romans 7:9.

He doesn't say he committed any sin by which he died, but WHEN the Commandment came, sin revived, and he died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Romans 7:10-11.

What was the created 'make-up' of the first man (and woman)? They were created sinful. And what is sin? Sin is death, and death is sin. And the Greek word in the KJV translated as "sin" is "hamartia." This word derives from [#264] "hamartano" and it simply means [to] "miss the mark."
What is the "mark" that is "missed"?
The Glory of God. Or the Glory that is God.

There are those that say Adam was created "good." But what does that mean? There is none good, that is God, Jesus said. He wouldn't even accept that designation and He is the Son of the Living God. "Good" doesn't mean "holy," or "righteous," or "sinless." Those words don't appear in Genesis creation. Even the word "morally" good doesn't appear here. Nor does "innocent." But the word "good" merely means, "good enough," or "well [enough]" or "to specification." God says His creation is "to specification" or "well enough" after a creative act. He says this after creating the grass and herb yielding seed. Surely, grass and herb yielding seed is not righteous, or holy, or sinless, is it? No, it is not. But they were created to God's specification, and He pronounced the grass and herb yielding seed good [to specification.]

God created the first man and woman sinful. The Law/Command of God "Thou shalt not eat of it" showed they were sinful before any act of sin as Paul explains. The man and woman disobeyed God. He said they would by the very Law/Command to not eat from the Tree. And the Tree only gave them the KNOWLEDGE of their sin for when the Law/Command came, sin revived, and they died. There was no act of sin by which they became sinners. They sinned BECAUSE they were sinners as the Law/Command says they were.

13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked:
1 Samuel 24:13.

That's the same as saying, "sin comes from sinners."
Adam and the woman sinned because they were created sinful. They are NOT sinful because they sinned.
The Doctrine of Imputation teaches that it was a nature-swap with sinful man. At the cross the only begotten Son became a sin offering. He didn't die for any act of sin, but for the sinful nature God created man. A nature-swap. We are imputed His righteous nature, and He is imputed our sinful nature.

21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:21.

It is a nature-swap. It doesn't say, "For he hath made him [to be] the acts of sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteous acts of God in him."
If He died for the sinful acts this would still leave the sin nature in man and we surely cannot enter heaven with a sin nature if Christ only died for our acts of sin.

God created the first man sinful, that is, "missing the mark" of the Glory of God, or "fallen short of His Glory."
There is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His Glory to NO ONE.
The only Person who can stand before a Holy God blameless is the Holy Son.
But you say, "that makes God the author of sin."
No, I don't say that. God does. Through His prophet Isaiah:

7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7.

Anything and everything in creation is the result of God. He is the first cause of everything in His creation.
Nothing just shows up. If anything exists it is because God caused it. God is Sovereign over His creation.

For these initial reasons and Scripture I believe God created the first man and woman (Adam and Eve) sinful.
That's the only way they can be created for there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His Glory to NO ONE.
Man was not created possessing any of the Nature or Deific Attributes of God. If man possessed even just one Deific Attribute of God, he would by necessity must possess ALL Deific Attributes of God else he would still fall short of the Glory of God. God is the standard by which anything and everything shall be judged against.
Bible Study.

A better way to say it maybe the ability to commit sin was imparted in Adam at his creation.

Simply saying Adam was given the right to choose to obey or disobey. Had not God given him a choice I wonder what would have happened?

In God's eyes sin is doing anything against his will.

Adam did not become sinful until he disobeyed God _ and there was no given laws by God at that point in time.

 

[jeremiah1five]

A better way to say it maybe the ability to commit sin was imparted in Adam at his creation.

Of course he had the ability to sin. He was a sinner.

Simply saying Adam was given the right to choose to obey or disobey. Had not God given him a choice I wonder what would have happened?

What choice? There was no real choice. All the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil did was give him the KNOWLEDGE of his sinfulness (evil) and through God instruction on doing good. The tree didn't make them evil. It merely gave them the KNOWLEDGE of their sinfulness.

In God's eyes sin is doing anything against his will.

No, that's not it. Although disobedience is sin the Doctrine of Imputation is a teaching of a nature-swap.
Christ takes our sin-nature, and we take His righteous nature.

Adam did not become sinful until he disobeyed God _ and there was no given laws by God at that point in time.

In saying this means you believe sin is in the act of sin. But the act must come from somewhere and it comes from the sinner. Sin comes from sinner. Sin does not come from holy.

 

[Mr GLee]

So why all of a sudden did we go from no great men of renown to men of renown. Something changed. What changed? The sons of God went in to the daughters of men. There is something about that which caused offspring that were beyond the pale. "4 The [e]Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."

The earth was previously watered by a mist from the earth coming up (like dew) because it had not rained. This is because there was a firmament around the Earth that separated the water above from the water below. There is no spiritualization of history. All alive in the flood died, except for Noah and his family. So where did these "sons of God" come from?

The word renown giants of faith is used in two ways both side of fence apposing enemies' A good example David and Goliath two renown facing each other. Christ's renown David with his sling GPS guided stone defeated Goliath thier renown

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Numbers 1:16 These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.

Numbers 16:2And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

Isaiah 14:20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Ezekiel 16:14And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

Used in a negative way

Ezekiel 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

Ezekiel 23:23 The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned,all of them riding upon horses.

Ezekiel 26:17And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city,which wast strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it!

Ezekiel 34:29And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.

Ezekiel 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.

If a person is born again they are sons of God

I would think no need to go Twilight Zone or Outer Limits . . . Giant creatures from another planet against frail humans women a tenth thier size .

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I would think seeking the spiritual unseen understanding of parables is not the spiritualization of history. Something changed because of the flood . No rainbows before, age dropped.

Inspiration from heaven alone began falling like rain . Sons of God lost the privileges' of reflecting the glory of God . They continued to break the law not to be unevenly yoked