GOD CREATED MAN (ADAM) SINFUL

[jeremiah1five]

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Wouldn't the use of the words "being created with the capability to sin" mean that sin was already in them? If sin was not already in them they would not have the capability to sin.

There are Christians that think they know it all and nit-pick about every jot and tittle. And I'll have you know that although there are Christians that say that Adam and the woman were holy can't make the connection that these holy beings sinned but that they remained holy and their sinful acts came from somewhere else, but not them.
They take the word "good" and make it say what it never meant to say when one defines it. They believe the man was holy with the capability to sin and he sinned but it was the act that was sinful not the holy Adam which is a lie. Sin comes from sinner. It comes from nowhere else.

Maybe my understanding of words and my ability to combine words into sentencing is incorrect, especially to some.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Mankind was created good and true /Let there be and it was God alone good.

Mankind was subject to the letter of law of God (death) the loving merciful commandment " (thou shall not) .

God who created the will of man and give him a memory. When they were deceived surely you will not die look at my beauty and live forever by the false prophecy. . . the memory of the spiritual things disappear

Memory one of the better gifts that is taken for granted .One of the most painful labors of love for a family of one sufferings. Remember him in the days of youth and keep it as long as you can. Do not wait till old and lack desire. That comes along with memory loss. The appointment to die once

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Christ our supernatural hard drive .Earth to Mr, GLee . . . Recalculating. . . turn repent go the other way make a U turn. . your destination on the right side up LOL

Man and the woman were created sinful. That's why they sinned. Sin comes from sinner. That's the only place it originates: in the sinner.
It doesn't come from holiness.

 

[Mr GLee]

Man and the woman were created sinful. That's why they sinned. Sin comes from sinner. That's the only place it originates: in the sinner.
It doesn't come from holiness.

So God created man in his own (Good) image, .. . not sinful

Sin comes from disobeying the word of God (sola scriptura)

Let there be flesh and blood and it was God alone good.

All things God makes is God good .He did not, cannot design anything to be sinful . It is why a person must be born from above .It was established from the beginning

They fell according to the letter of the law "thou shall not" They sinned because Satan added to prophecy .Mankind believed the false prophecy.

 

[Mr GLee]

They just don't know that in our present natural existence they are 'created' in the image of God, which is not really true in and of itself. When God created man, He created him 'fallen short of the glory of God' which is the same as saying he (and the woman) were created sinful, a word that means "missing the mark" in Greek. This is why they sinned twice in the Garden. They sinned first by lying about what God said about not eating from the forbidden tree. God said this:

I would offer. .

If he says it. . .it is true. . . "let there be: . .." it was God alone good: . Good defines God

Being created falls short of the glory of the Creator. Just as the light of the moon and stars is a the reflection of the Sun as a reflection , , , they falls short of the glory of the Sun .

Man could never be glorious God

The Faithful labor of love. . (let there be: "the light of the glory of God" on our path and the light was good )

Psalms 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Christ is the one source of Christian faith (belief)

The idea "I will be like the most glorious high" comes from Lucifer who usurped the glory of God's Creation as if he was the Faithful Creator

Rather than guarding the glory of new creation from false pride (lust flesh, lust eye) of the creation he became the father of false pride the god of this world .

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Christ the true light (glory) it is how he introduced him elf to darkness

The beginning ."Let there be the cloud of the presence of God." and the presence of God" revealed form" . the darkness disappeared

God is light and not that he can only create it temporally as a parable.

 

[TMSO]

Adam and the woman were already sinners before they disobeyed God at the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
By adding to God's word, they were found out liars and thus sinned before the sin at the Tree.

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Prov. 30:6.

They said, "neither shall ye touch it!"

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Gen. 3:3.

They were sinners which explains why they disobeyed God and ate from the tree.

Sin comes from sinners. Wickedness comes from the wicked.

13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sam. 24:13.

I don't think there is any clearer way for you to state that God created sin. Reread I Samuel 24:13. If Adam and Eve were created sinners (wicked), and I Samuel 24:13 says "Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked", what does that say to what you said.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I don't think there is any clearer way for you to state that God created sin. Reread I Samuel 24:13. If Adam and Eve were created sinners (wicked), and I Samuel 24:13 says "Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked", what does that say to what you said.

It says God created Adam and the woman "missing the mark."
What is that "mark" they missed?
The glory of God.
There is only ONE God.
There is NONE like Him.
He gives His glory to NO ONE.
Thus, anything and anyone is created fallen short of His glory. This includes the universe, animals, plants, man.
They all die.
Thus, they do not possess the glory of God.
The word for that is "sin."

 

[Mr GLee]

It says God created Adam and the woman "missing the mark."
What is that "mark" they missed?
The glory of God.
There is only ONE God.
There is NONE like Him.
He gives His glory to NO ONE.
Thus, anything and anyone is created fallen short of His glory. This includes the universe, animals, plants, man.
They all die.
Thus, they do not possess the glory of God.
The word for that is "sin."

I would offer. . .God in not the author of sin

They missed the mark.to obey the loving commandment of God not seen .They refused a God not seen They obeyed the false commandment as false prophecy the letter of the law "death" Surely you will not die look at my beauty and liveforever. . why do a foolish thing believe in a God not seen ?

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

God whose name is Jealous created all things,

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

No other gods includes oneself.

God alone jealously guards what is his . He will not share his glory with dying mankind . Believers reflect the glory of his power but would never say it comes from dying mankind. He who has no needs is not served by human hands as a will .

In that way we can miraculously look to the unseen things of God the eternal through the dying things what which was created the temporal historical .

In that same way believers must be careful how we hear who we say we do. It would seem God's Holy Spirit protects born agin believers as the armor that defends believers .Put on keep on as long as one has power ,

Believers have preaching power a reflection of his glory .Our Holy Father alone has "teaching power" ,comforting guiding power and bringing to the our memory of the previous things he has taught the believers (John14)

2 Corinthians 4:5- 7 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

God whose very essence is Light can create a evil by removing his gospel light of peace . In Him that reveals the darkness . There is no darkness

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things

The God that hides and reveals Himself

 

[jeremiah1five]

I would offer. . .God in not the author of sin

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
That there is none beside me.
I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6–7.

They missed the mark.to obey the loving commandment of God not seen .They refused a God not seen They obeyed the false commandment as false prophecy the letter of the law "death" Surely you will not die look at my beauty and liveforever. . why do a foolish thing believe in a God not seen ?

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

God whose name is Jealous created all things,

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

No other gods includes oneself.

God alone jealously guards what is his . He will not share his glory with dying mankind . Believers reflect the glory of his power but would never say it comes from dying mankind. He who has no needs is not served by human hands as a will .

In that way we can miraculously look to the unseen things of God the eternal through the dying things what which was created the temporal historical .

In that same way believers must be careful how we hear who we say we do. It would seem God's Holy Spirit protects born agin believers as the armor that defends believers .Put on keep on as long as one has power ,

Believers have preaching power a reflection of his glory .Our Holy Father alone has "teaching power" ,comforting guiding power and bringing to the our memory of the previous things he has taught the believers (John14)

2 Corinthians 4:5- 7 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

God whose very essence is Light can create a evil by removing his gospel light of peace . In Him that reveals the darkness . There is no darkness

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things

The God that hides and reveals Himself

 

[Mr GLee]

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
That there is none beside me.
I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6–7.

Creates evil by removing the light . I him there is no darkness.

 

[TMSO]

It says God created Adam and the woman "missing the mark."
What is that "mark" they missed?
The glory of God.
There is only ONE God.
There is NONE like Him.
He gives His glory to NO ONE.
Thus, anything and anyone is created fallen short of His glory. This includes the universe, animals, plants, man.
They all die.
Thus, they do not possess the glory of God.
The word for that is "sin."

God did not miss any mark. Are you trying to say that God's image is faulty? He created man in His image. If God created man imperfect, or created them as sinners, what does that say about God? Jesus is God's Son. (He is also God, but that is besides this point). He is not Son in that He was given birth, but that He is in the likeness of the Father, the image of the Father. (To us, the visible image of the invisible God (the Father)). Likewise, we were made in the image of God. So, if we were created sinners, what would that say about God?

So you don't misunderstand, we are made in God's image, however, we are not God, and we are not a duplicate. For instance, God reasons. We reason. Difference? God reasons perfectly, and infinitely, while we, who are tempora and finite, can only reason within finite bounds. God can create, and from nothing. We too can create, however, we cannot create from nothing. We make. God has a will over which He has dominion. His will is perfect. We have a will as well, however, our will is not free and is not under our dominion. It is bound, either by sin, as with the sinner, or by righteousness, as with the believer bought by Jesus, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

They missed the mark. What mark did they miss? What standard did they fall short of? God's perfection. God's holiness. God's sinlessness. Man rebelled against God, which is contrary to the standard God had set up before Adam and Eve.

The word sin means to miss the mark. That is, to be short of the perfection God demands. To be holy, righteous and pure. Sin falls within three categories, hence Satan tested Jesus three times. The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. Jesus tests. The lust of the flesh. You are hungry. Why wait on God? You can make food right here and be satisfied. Turn the rocks to bread and eat. Satisfy yourself. The lust of the eyes. Look at the whole world that is before you. All of this is mine. It can be yours. You can have all of this that you can see, and you don't have to suffer to get it. You don't have to go through the pain of this life, and that to come to have all of this. I [Satan] will give it all to you. All you can see you can have. And the pride of life. Jesus is God. Jesus walked on Earth as the suffering servant of Isaiah. There was no fanfare. There was no bragging to the people that He is God. He faced resistance. He was almost stoned. All the people wanted to kill Him. People wouldn't listen to Him, but, but... He is God. How dare you not listen!?! So... here we are at the top of this tall building. You can end all of the problems by just jumping off the building and showing everyone you are God, as the angels come down and save you. All you have to do is show them who you are, how great you are, and you can crush them under foot (metaphorically speaking of course.) Lord it over them. I AM GOD, and you are nothing. The pride of life. (This is undone by "loving your neighbor as yourself" among other things.)

 

[jeremiah1five]

Creates evil by removing the light . I him there is no darkness.

There is no "morality" in light. It is inanimate and possesses no morals.
Evil refers to man, not light.

 

[jeremiah1five]

God did not miss any mark. Are you trying to say that God's image is faulty? He created man in His image. If God created man imperfect, or created them as sinners, what does that say about God? Jesus is God's Son. (He is also God, but that is besides this point). He is not Son in that He was given birth, but that He is in the likeness of the Father, the image of the Father. (To us, the visible image of the invisible God (the Father)). Likewise, we were made in the image of God. So, if we were created sinners, what would that say about God?

You kinda ask the right 'question' in your feeble attempt to understand it with a carnal mind. But the question has been asked by more informed minds: How can a Righteous God create an unrighteous being? This would bring into question the integrity of God. But God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself. This is impossible for there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE.
Now, apply this truth to the creation of man. Did God reduplicate Himself in created matter? Did God reduplicate any aspect of His Nature or Deific Attributes in created matter: man? The answer is "No."
God cannot create or recreate Himself in matter. He cannot transfer or copy any part of His Deific Nature or Person in Matter. Why not?
Because there is only ONE God.
Did Adam or the woman possess any Deific Attributes or Nature of God?
The answer would have to be "No."
This means that man was created "FALLEN SHORT" of the glory of God, or the glory that is God. The word for this is "sin."

So you don't misunderstand, we are made in God's image, however, we are not God, and we are not a duplicate. For instance, God reasons. We reason. Difference? God reasons perfectly, and infinitely, while we, who are tempora and finite, can only reason within finite bounds. God can create, and from nothing. We too can create, however, we cannot create from nothing. We make. God has a will over which He has dominion. His will is perfect. We have a will as well, however, our will is not free and is not under our dominion. It is bound, either by sin, as with the sinner, or by righteousness, as with the believer bought by Jesus, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

They missed the mark. What mark did they miss? What standard did they fall short of? God's perfection. God's holiness. God's sinlessness. Man rebelled against God, which is contrary to the standard God had set up before Adam and Eve.

ibid.

The word sin means to miss the mark. That is, to be short of the perfection God demands. To be holy, righteous and pure. Sin falls within three categories, hence Satan tested Jesus three times. The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. Jesus tests. The lust of the flesh. You are hungry. Why wait on God? You can make food right here and be satisfied. Turn the rocks to bread and eat. Satisfy yourself. The lust of the eyes. Look at the whole world that is before you. All of this is mine. It can be yours. You can have all of this that you can see, and you don't have to suffer to get it. You don't have to go through the pain of this life, and that to come to have all of this. I [Satan] will give it all to you.

The angels that sinned are locked up.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

And this took place before God created man. I put it between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

And there are not two ways of temptation. Only one:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. James 1:13–14.

You are right. You said: "The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. Jesus tests. The lust of the flesh. You are hungry. Why wait on God? You can make food right here and be satisfied. Turn the rocks to bread and eat. Satisfy yourself. The lust of the eyes. Look at the whole world that is before you. All of this is mine. It can be yours. You can have all of this that you can see, and you don't have to suffer to get it. You don't have to go through the pain of this life," all this has to do with the flesh. Jesus was both God and Man. And since God cannot be tempted with anything it was the human part of the God-Man that was tested, not the Deity.

All you can see you can have. And the pride of life. Jesus is God. Jesus walked on Earth as the suffering servant of Isaiah. There was no fanfare. There was no bragging to the people that He is God. He faced resistance. He was almost stoned. All the people wanted to kill Him. People wouldn't listen to Him, but, but... He is God. How dare you not listen!?! So... here we are at the top of this tall building. You can end all of the problems by just jumping off the building and showing everyone you are God, as the angels come down and save you. All you have to do is show them who you are, how great you are, and you can crush them under foot (metaphorically speaking of course.) Lord it over them. I AM GOD, and you are nothing. The pride of life. (This is undone by "loving your neighbor as yourself" among other things.)

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? Jn 5:45–47.

To the Jew or Gentile, it doesn't matter.
IF you do not believe Moses (Torah) then you won't believe Jesus.
THAT is the bottom line.

 

[TMSO]

You kinda ask the right 'question' in your feeble attempt to understand it with a carnal mind. But the question has been asked by more informed minds: How can a Righteous God create an unrighteous being? This would bring into question the integrity of God. But God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself. This is impossible for there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE.

You kind of ask the wrong question with a carnal mind. God did not create an unrighteous being. It has nothing to do with God's glory, but Lucifer's and mankinds rebellion against God. Lucifer didn't seek God's glory, he sought to be as god, that is He sought to dethrone God and be God Himself. However, God created mankind in His image. As such, man is the image of God, though finite and temporal. We see dim reflections of God in what God made. We can create, though finite, and from what has already been created by God. We can design, though again, finite, and within the confines of what exists. (Again, we cannot design or make from nothing.) We can reason, though within the finite expanse of creation, and within our own fallibility. (Our own, not His, since He is not fallible.)

Now, apply this truth to the creation of man. Did God reduplicate Himself in created matter? Did God reduplicate any aspect of His Nature or Deific Attributes in created matter: man? The answer is "No."

God did duplicate aspects of His nature in man. However, it is but a dim reflection. Not deity, but His nature. Why do you keep saying God lied when it says He created man in His image? It is not that we look like Him, but that our nature is a pale reflection of His own. We can reason. We can create (make being a better description). We can design. We can do all kinds of things that God can do, but we can only do it to a much much less degree. When God was done creating, He looked and said that it was good. Since when was sin considered good?

God cannot create or recreate Himself in matter. He cannot transfer or copy any part of His Deific Nature or Person in Matter. Why not?
Because there is only ONE God.

He didn't create God. He created man, and made man in His image. A pale reflection of that which is found in God, but not that which makes God God.

Did Adam or the woman possess any Deific Attributes or Nature of God?

She had some of the nature of God, but that which was a reflection of man, since woman was taken from man.

The answer would have to be "No."
This means that man was created "FALLEN SHORT" of the glory of God, or the glory that is God. The word for this is "sin."

Except that isn't how it is at all. Man was created sinless, though God purposed for whatever reason, that man would sin, and God would redeem. It is beyond our capability to understand His purpose in it, but dimly. (For His glory, obviously, but there is much more to it then we can hope to comprehend/understand)

ibid.

The angels that sinned are locked up.

Angels sin no more.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

As can be seen here, there sin was no action of God. It was their action. They sinned.

And this took place before God created man. I put it between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

Actually, if you continue reading you would find that it was in the days prior to Noah, and it was the reason why God sent the flood in the first place. However, you would only know that if you read the other passages in scripture dealing with this.

And there are not two ways of temptation. Only one:

I said there were three categories of sin. The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the one I didn't word properly, the boastful pride of life. You can find this in John's epistles, since he states it.

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. James 1:13–14.

Yes, but those temptations are going to be in the realm of the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and/or the boastful pride of life.

You are right. You said: "The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. Jesus tests. The lust of the flesh. You are hungry. Why wait on God? You can make food right here and be satisfied. Turn the rocks to bread and eat. Satisfy yourself. The lust of the eyes. Look at the whole world that is before you. All of this is mine. It can be yours. You can have all of this that you can see, and you don't have to suffer to get it. You don't have to go through the pain of this life," all this has to do with the flesh. Jesus was both God and Man. And since God cannot be tempted with anything it was the human part of the God-Man that was tested, not the Deity.

Yes, it was the human part that was tested. I fully agree. The humanity was in full communion with the deity (the two natures in perfect communion/fellowship) and thus the flesh overcame the temptation through the Word of God.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? Jn 5:45–47.

To the Jew or Gentile, it doesn't matter.
IF you do not believe Moses (Torah) then you won't believe Jesus.
THAT is the bottom line.

Sort of. The point was that Moses prophesied of Christ, so if they didn't listen to Moses, they wouldn't understand/know/recognize Him.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You kind of ask the wrong question with a carnal mind. God did not create an unrighteous being. It has nothing to do with God's glory, but Lucifer's and mankinds rebellion against God. Lucifer didn't seek God's glory, he sought to be as god, that is He sought to dethrone God and be God Himself. However, God created mankind in His image. As such, man is the image of God, though finite and temporal. We see dim reflections of God in what God made. We can create, though finite, and from what has already been created by God. We can design, though again, finite, and within the confines of what exists. (Again, we cannot design or make from nothing.) We can reason, though within the finite expanse of creation, and within our own fallibility. (Our own, not His, since He is not fallible.)

You give too much glory to Lucifer.

The angels that sinned were locked up.

I place their restriction/incarceration between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, before God created man.

God did duplicate aspects of His nature in man. However, it is but a dim reflection.

Is it the actual or a reflection? You say two opposite things.

Not deity, but His nature. Why do you keep saying God lied when it says He created man in His image? It is not that we look like Him, but that our nature is a pale reflection of His own. We can reason. We can create (make being a better description). We can design. We can do all kinds of things that God can do, but we can only do it to a much much less degree. When God was done creating, He looked and said that it was good. Since when was sin considered good?

The image of God is not a natural man but the Son of God. There is no better image of a Father than a Son.

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,
Heb 1:3.

He didn't create God. He created man, and made man in His image. A pale reflection of that which is found in God, but not that which makes God God.

A reflection does not possess the actual Nature of God.

She had some of the nature of God, but that which was a reflection of man, since woman was taken from man.

If man possess any one Nature or Deific Attributes of God, then they would by necessity possess ALL the Nature or Deific Attributes of God or they would fall short. The word for that is sin.

Except that isn't how it is at all. Man was created sinless, though God purposed for whatever reason, that man would sin, and God would redeem. It is beyond our capability to understand His purpose in it, but dimly. (For His glory, obviously, but there is much more to it then we can hope to comprehend/understand)

So, sin comes from sinlessness? God is sinless. How long before God sin since you say sin comes from sinlessness?

Angels sin no more.
As can be seen here, there sin was no action of God. It was their action. They sinned.
Actually, if you continue reading you would find that it was in the days prior to Noah, and it was the reason why God sent the flood in the first place. However, you would only know that if you read the other passages in scripture dealing with this.
I said there were three categories of sin. The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the one I didn't word properly, the boastful pride of life. You can find this in John's epistles, since he states it.

You bifurcate sin into sections? Sin is sin. It is a "missing the mark" of the glory of God.

Yes, but those temptations are going to be in the realm of the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and/or the boastful pride of life.

The same temptations afflicting Jesus.

Yes, it was the human part that was tested. I fully agree. The humanity was in full communion with the deity (the two natures in perfect communion/fellowship) and thus the flesh overcame the temptation through the Word of God.

Sort of. The point was that Moses prophesied of Christ, so if they didn't listen to Moses, they wouldn't understand/know/recognize Him.

Therefore, it is necessary to know the Torah in order to know the Lord.
If you don't know and understand the Torah which spoke of Jesus, then only taking the New Covenant Scriptures from Matthew to Revelation as your basis for understanding the salvation of the LORD and salvation of the Jews then you really do not know or understand the Lord.

 

[TMSO]

You give too much glory to Lucifer.

Not one bit. You draw glory from God.

The angels that sinned were locked up.

If you read what all the passages related, it is those angels who left their domain. Those sons of God who went in to the daughters of men and had children. A hybrid, degenerate child. The nephilim. The great men of old. Or the original definition of Nephilim, them that fell.

I place their restriction/incarceration between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, before God created man.

I place it at, or just before the flood, for it was those angels who sought after "strange flesh", as the men of Sodom sough after in trying to sexually assault the angels.

Is it the actual or a reflection? You say two opposite things.

The image of God is not a natural man but the Son of God. There is no better image of a Father than a Son.

Then you deny Genesis. Not a good step forward. We were made in the image of God, according to Genesis 1. It has been postulated that this means that one can see pieces of, or dimly see, the nature of God. Again, we can do things God can do, though within the confines of creation. We can create, we can design, we can reason. While science tries to claim that other animals can reason as we can, if you look into the research... fake. Chimpanzees and other primates can't actually use sign language. All the videos were edited. Basically, they repeated the signs that they remember got them what they wanted. There was one who kept talking about female body parts, and that was it. One track mind.

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,
Heb 1:3

It is different because Jesus is God. Son of God is more than just image. It means that He is of the same substance, that is, He is God. Hence, if you see the Son, you have seen the Father, for, as Jesus said, He and the Father are One.

.A reflection does not possess the actual Nature of God.

I didn't say we possess the actual nature of God, for we are a reflection. One can see dimly the nature and attributes of God as though an image. We have limited capability to do things that God does.

If man possess any one Nature or Deific Attributes of God, then they would by necessity possess ALL the Nature or Deific Attributes of God or they would fall short. The word for that is sin.

That is not at all what sin is.

So, sin comes from sinlessness? God is sinless. How long before God sin since you say sin comes from sinlessness?

Man was sinless until Adam sinned. Apparently Eve sinning wasn't enough. Adam had to sin. Why? God put Adam, not Eve, in dominion over the creation.

You bifurcate sin into sections? Sin is sin. It is a "missing the mark" of the glory of God.

The BIBLE speaks of at least three categories of sin. The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the boastful pride of life. The three things that Satan tempted Jesus with.

The same temptations afflicting Jesus.

Therefore, it is necessary to know the Torah in order to know the Lord.
If you don't know and understand the Torah which spoke of Jesus, then only taking the New Covenant Scriptures from Matthew to Revelation as your basis for understanding the salvation of the LORD and salvation of the Jews then you really do not know or understand the Lord.

If one needs to know the Torah, why didn't James tell the Gentiles that they need to know the Torah in order for all things to be well? He didn't say that. Even Peter asked how they could put a yolk on the Gentiles that not even they, the Jews, could bear. So James said, if you abstain from sexual immorality and from meat sacrificed to idols, it will be well with you.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Not one bit. You draw glory from God.

If you read what all the passages related, it is those angels who left their domain. Those sons of God who went in to the daughters of men and had children. A hybrid, degenerate child. The nephilim. The great men of old. Or the original definition of Nephilim, them that fell.

That's the Constantinian Gentile belief. It's a false belief and totally beyond common sense.
How can spirit-being interact with natural, material women?
God ordained that His creation have offspring "after their kind" and this cannot change. Angels and humans are of a different order in creation (1 Cor. 15.) It's like wind blowing over and across skin. Ever feel the Holy Spirit blowing through the fellowship in a biblical church service? Same thing.
Angels do not have genitals because God only created the male species and there are no female angels in which to mate.
Angels do not have DNA, women do, and it is created to match and join with male DNA,
Angels do not have genitals and therefore do not have sperm nor is it compatible with human material egg of females.
Your belief about "sons of God" and "daughters of men" is so fantastical I laugh at such unbiblical, unnatural, far out, beyond belief, garbage.

The sons of God are the obedient Sethian family line. These had relationship with God ("then men began to call upon the Lord" refers to worship.) The daughters of men refer to those disobedient Adamites that did not scatter when God commanded them to "fill the earth."

I place it at, or just before the flood, for it was those angels who sought after "strange flesh", as the men of Sodom sough after in trying to sexually assault the angels.

Get back to the bible and pray for the anointing and understanding and stay away from commentaries. They will short-circuit your thinking.
But you're not thinking, are you?

Then you deny Genesis. Not a good step forward. We were made in the image of God, according to Genesis 1. It has been postulated that this means that one can see pieces of, or dimly see, the nature of God. Again, we can do things God can do, though within the confines of creation. We can create, we can design, we can reason. While science tries to claim that other animals can reason as we can, if you look into the research... fake. Chimpanzees and other primates can't actually use sign language. All the videos were edited. Basically, they repeated the signs that they remember got them what they wanted. There was one who kept talking about female body parts, and that was it. One track mind.

Too much humanism in your belief system. The image of God is not the natural, dirt man. The image of God is Christ. There is no better image of a Father than a Son. Scripture provided upon request.

It is different because Jesus is God. Son of God is more than just image. It means that He is of the same substance, that is, He is God. Hence, if you see the Son, you have seen the Father, for, as Jesus said, He and the Father are One.

Does the Father have a body? The same substance? You're way out there, bud.

I didn't say we possess the actual nature of God, for we are a reflection. One can see dimly the nature and attributes of God as though an image. We have limited capability to do things that God does.

If only a reflection and not the actual, then we fall short of His glory. Does a mirror hold your natural being? No matter if it's a reflection of your shell and not the real you for there can only be ONE of you in all creation. Adam possessed no deific attributes or nature of God. Adam was a sinner even before he and the woman ate from the tree. They sinned because they were already sinners. All they did was sin again. Scripture provided upon request.

That is not at all what sin is.

Sin is defined by Strong's and Scripture describes it as "missing the mark" (think archery.) Since God cannot reduplicate or copy Himself, Adam and the woman were created fallen short of God's eternal glory. What you are doing is making God into the image of man. Heresy.

Man was sinless until Adam sinned. Apparently Eve sinning wasn't enough. Adam had to sin. Why? God put Adam, not Eve, in dominion over the creation.

Man was sinless? So, he possesse the nature and attributes of God? He would still fall short of God's glory for in order to stand blameless before God Adam would have to possess ALL the deific attributes and nature of God else he would fall short of God's glory.
Adam and the woman were sinners BEFORE they ate from the tree.

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Prov. 30:6.

When they added to God's Word they showed themselves as liars and sinners that lie are sinful, not sinless.

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Gen. 3:2–3.

Liars. And liars are sinners. Thus, the false teaching of a "Fall" has been uncovered. There was no "Fall" because Adam and the woman were already sinners before they ate from the tree. Unless you want to reject the Word of God for your own pet theory.

The BIBLE speaks of at least three categories of sin. The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the boastful pride of life. The three things that Satan tempted Jesus with.

Those are not categories; they are expressions by which sin is manifested. The same temptations occurred to Jesus in the desert when He was tempted. And by the way...my guess that along your false belief about the sons of God that you think "Satan" was with Jesus in the desert tempting Him, right? The angels that sinned, Peter and Jude say, were locked up (2 Peter. 2:4.) There is only one way in which we are tempted. It comes from within, not without.

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. James 1:13–14.

Temptation comes from within. Now, try to factor that into your false theology.

If one needs to know the Torah, why didn't James tell the Gentiles that they need to know the Torah in order for all things to be well? He didn't say that. Even Peter asked how they could put a yolk on the Gentiles that not even they, the Jews, could bear. So James said, if you abstain from sexual immorality and from meat sacrificed to idols, it will be well with you.

It wasn't necessary for the Jewish Christians to be instructed to obey the Torah/Law. They were already doing that. Even Saul was obedient to the Law:

20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Acts 21:19–20.

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts21:23–24.

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Acts 24:13–14.

When I was a child, I used commentaries. But when I became a man, I put away childish things and learned under the anointing to study the Scripture and the things God has revealed to me come from Scripture, not the tainted thought from other men's bible studies (which isn what commentaries are.)
Grow up. Ask God to teach you His Word, not men's books.
When you study God's Word on your own and under the anointing with a good translation (KJV) you are a man of God. When you study man's books you become a man of men.
Grow up and come at me with the Scripture that is sound and reasonable, not something that hasn't been thought through under the anointing.

 

[Hobie]

There is a lot to cover so bear with me.
Let's go.

There is no difference between the Laws of God and His Commands.
The Laws of God are His Commands, and the Commands of God are Law.

What was the 'make-up' of man? Was he holy? Righteous? Sinless? Innocent? Good? And what does "good" mean?

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Romans 3:10.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:20.

Knowledge of sin. Isn't that the name given to the tree in Eden the Garden of God?
The Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil.
So, the purpose of the Tree was to give the man the KNOWLEDGE of sin. It didn't make him sinful.
But did Christ die for the knowledge of sin? No, He did not. He died for sin.

15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Romans 4:15.

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:16–17.

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 5:13.

But there was a law in the Garden. There was a "thou shalt not" in the Garden, and the Law shows us we are sinners. It doesn't make us sinners, but it shows we are sinners.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. Romans 7:7–9.

If there is no law, there is no sin.
But there was a Law, a Command in the Garden. God said, "Thou shalt not [eat of it]."
As Paul says, the existence of a Law/Command shows us we are sinners. Paul says, "I had not KNOWN lust, except the Law/Command had said, thou shalt not covet."
So, let's apply this to the first man.

ADAM: "I had not KNOWN sin but by the Law/Command. I had not KNOWN disobedience except the Law/Command said, thou shalt not [eat of it.]"

Pretty straightforward. The Law/Command in the Garden showed that the first man (Adam) was a sinner BEFORE he sinned for the existence of Law/Command shows us we are sinners, as Paul said, "I had not KNOWN sin but by the [existence] of the Law/Command. Paul didn't have to lust to have broken the Law against coveting. It was the Law/Command that showed him he was a sinner before the actual act of sin.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. Romans 7:9.

He doesn't say he committed any sin by which he died, but WHEN the Commandment came, sin revived, and he died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Romans 7:10-11.

What was the created 'make-up' of the first man (and woman)? They were created sinful. And what is sin? Sin is death, and death is sin. And the Greek word in the KJV translated as "sin" is "hamartia." This word derives from [#264] "hamartano" and it simply means [to] "miss the mark."
What is the "mark" that is "missed"?
The Glory of God. Or the Glory that is God.

There are those that say Adam was created "good." But what does that mean? There is none good, that is God, Jesus said. He wouldn't even accept that designation and He is the Son of the Living God. "Good" doesn't mean "holy," or "righteous," or "sinless." Those words don't appear in Genesis creation. Even the word "morally" good doesn't appear here. Nor does "innocent." But the word "good" merely means, "good enough," or "well [enough]" or "to specification." God says His creation is "to specification" or "well enough" after a creative act. He says this after creating the grass and herb yielding seed. Surely, grass and herb yielding seed is not righteous, or holy, or sinless, is it? No, it is not. But they were created to God's specification, and He pronounced the grass and herb yielding seed good [to specification.]

God created the first man and woman sinful. The Law/Command of God "Thou shalt not eat of it" showed they were sinful before any act of sin as Paul explains. The man and woman disobeyed God. He said they would by the very Law/Command to not eat from the Tree. And the Tree only gave them the KNOWLEDGE of their sin for when the Law/Command came, sin revived, and they died. There was no act of sin by which they became sinners. They sinned BECAUSE they were sinners as the Law/Command says they were.

13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked:
1 Samuel 24:13.

That's the same as saying, "sin comes from sinners."
Adam and the woman sinned because they were created sinful. They are NOT sinful because they sinned.
The Doctrine of Imputation teaches that it was a nature-swap with sinful man. At the cross the only begotten Son became a sin offering. He didn't die for any act of sin, but for the sinful nature God created man. A nature-swap. We are imputed His righteous nature, and He is imputed our sinful nature.

21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:21.

It is a nature-swap. It doesn't say, "For he hath made him [to be] the acts of sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteous acts of God in him."
If He died for the sinful acts this would still leave the sin nature in man and we surely cannot enter heaven with a sin nature if Christ only died for our acts of sin.

God created the first man sinful, that is, "missing the mark" of the Glory of God, or "fallen short of His Glory."
There is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His Glory to NO ONE.
The only Person who can stand before a Holy God blameless is the Holy Son.
But you say, "that makes God the author of sin."
No, I don't say that. God does. Through His prophet Isaiah:

7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7.

Anything and everything in creation is the result of God. He is the first cause of everything in His creation.
Nothing just shows up. If anything exists it is because God caused it. God is Sovereign over His creation.

For these initial reasons and Scripture I believe God created the first man and woman (Adam and Eve) sinful.
That's the only way they can be created for there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His Glory to NO ONE.
Man was not created possessing any of the Nature or Deific Attributes of God. If man possessed even just one Deific Attribute of God, he would by necessity must possess ALL Deific Attributes of God else he would still fall short of the Glory of God. God is the standard by which anything and everything shall be judged against.
Bible Study.

You forget there was no sin on earth till Eve disobeyed, so they were created sinless.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You forget there was no sin on earth till Eve disobeyed, so they were created sinless.

So, they both possessed the sinless nature of God?
But Isaiah says, there is only One God, there is none like Him, and He gives His glory to no one.
No, they were not sinless. If they possessed even ONE Deific Nature or Attribute of God, they would by necessity MUST possess ALL Nature and Deific Attributes of God or they would fall short of His Sinless glory. The word for this is sin.
If they were both sinless and they sinned, then sin comes from sinlessness just as wickedness comes from the wicked:

13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sam. 24:13.

Sin comes from sinner. Sin does not come from sinlessness or from holy. The second Adam proves this. He was sinless, He was Holy, He was Righteous and He did no sin because sin does not come from sinless. There are just way too many problems with then teaching you espouse that Adam and the woman were partially created copies of the One True God to possess only sinlessness but not the other Deific Attributes and Nature of God, which without they would not be able to stand before a truly Sinless God and His Christ

The reason why they sinned was because they were sinners BEFORE the ate from the tree. And since the Law of God a then? Is the command sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the command: for I had not nd His Commands are one and the same (the commands of God are Law, and the Laws of God are His commands) the command of "Thou shalt not [eat of it]" proves they were sinners before they ate from the tree.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Rom. 7:7.

And the Law in the Garden was "Thou shalt not eat of it (the tree.)" But they did and showed themselves sinners before they sinned and ate from the tree. Romans 7:7 is the same thing when applied to Adam.

ADAM: What shall I say then? Is the command sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the command; for I had not known disobedience, except the command had said, Thou shalt not eat of it.

Same thing. Same result. The command in the Garden of "Thou shalt not" shows they were sinners which is why they sinned. And before they sinned they had sinned before the eating from the tree. They added to God's Words "Neither shall ye touch it" and proved themselves liars, and lying is a sin. There doesn't have to be a law or command against lying, the purpose of God knowing that sin comes from sinner was to give Adam and the woman the KNOWLEDGE of their evil.

Sinful Adam was sown in corruption. In other words, they were created sinful. God cannot reduplicate any aspect of His Nature or Deific Attributes in any creature.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope. Rom. 8:19–20.

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Cor. 15:44–49.

There is a great big distinction and difference between Adam and the Logos. One was created from sinful dirt, the other uncreated and eternal and Holy. Adam possess no deific Attributes or Nature of God. God doesn't share, give, copy, reduplicate any aspect of Himself in created man from the sinful dirt. There is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory (sinlessness) to NO ONE.
That is Scripture. Believe it.

 

[Mr GLee]

Same thing. Same result. The command in the Garden of "Thou shalt not" shows they were sinners which is why they sinned. And before they sinned they had sinned before the eating from the tree. They added to God's Words "Neither shall ye touch it" and proved themselves liars, and lying is a sin. There doesn't have to be a law or command against lying, the purpose of God knowing that sin comes from sinner was to give Adam and the woman the KNOWLEDGE of their evil.

Mankind was created under a law as to the letter death .Previously having not sinned. Mankind fell there bodies of clay returned to the dust and temporal spirit given under the law returned to o Holy Father, the invisible head Christ

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

I would think God showing he is not served by human hands as a will . In the new creation there will be no letter of the law death..

Death and its daily sufferings into the fire of God's judgement . The old dead things will not be remembered or ever come to mind forever and ever

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not
in the oldness of the letter.

 

[TMSO]

That's the Constantinian Gentile belief. It's a false belief and totally beyond common sense.
How can spirit-being interact with natural, material women?

They possessed the men. The reason God wiped out the world was because the offspring were irredeemable. They were no longer fully human. There are three passages (I believe) about this.

God ordained that His creation have offspring "after their kind" and this cannot change. Angels and humans are of a different order in creation (1 Cor. 15.) It's like wind blowing over and across skin. Ever feel the Holy Spirit blowing through the fellowship in a biblical church service? Same thing.
Angels do not have genitals because God only created the male species and there are no female angels in which to mate.

We have no idea what God has created, but the Bible says it happened, so therefore there was a way that it happened. I mean, sure, throw away the Bible since it doesn't make sense to you, but you really shouldn't.

Angels do not have DNA, women do, and it is created to match and join with male DNA,
Angels do not have genitals and therefore do not have sperm nor is it compatible with human material egg of females.
Your belief about "sons of God" and "daughters of men" is so fantastical I laugh at such unbiblical, unnatural, far out, beyond belief, garbage.

You are laughing at the Bible. In Job, what does it say about the angels in heaven? Job 1:6 "6 Now there was a day when the [b]sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and [c]Satan also came among them. " Even here it is clearly stated that these are angels, and among them Satan also came before God.

The sons of God are the obedient Sethian family line.

No...no they aren't. Again, read Job, which supposedly occurred BEFORE the flood.

These had relationship with God ("then men began to call upon the Lord" refers to worship.) The daughters of men refer to those disobedient Adamites that did not scatter when God commanded them to "fill the earth."

The sons of God who are considered so, ARE NOT SINNERS. All humans, no matter who they were were all sinners. Why would you mark God with sin? Why??? God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.

Get back to the bible and pray for the anointing and understanding and stay away from commentaries. They will short-circuit your thinking.
But you're not thinking, are you?

I find it difficult to impossible to read commentaries. I didn't get it from a commentary.

Too much humanism in your belief system. The image of God is not the natural, dirt man. The image of God is Christ. There is no better image of a Father than a Son. Scripture provided upon request.

Too much gnosticism in your belief. You deny what God said in Genesis. Let's make man in our own image, and thus He did. However, we are but a very dim reflection of that. We can do things that God does, to a MUCH LESSER degree. Why? We aren't God. We can create... from things that already exist. We can design, but nothing even coming close to approaching the grand design. We can reason, but not even close to the level of God...in His foolishness. (I believe there was nuance to that when God said it, but His point was, at no point can or will man ever approach who God is.)

Does the Father have a body? The same substance? You're way out there, bud.

You really need to pray for the Holy Spirit to teach you what the Bible is saying. That is not what is being referred to when it says image. It is not speaking to likeness or substance.

If only a reflection and not the actual, then we fall short of His glory. Does a mirror hold your natural being? No matter if it's a reflection of your shell and not the real you for there can only be ONE of you in all creation. Adam possessed no deific attributes or nature of God. Adam was a sinner even before he and the woman ate from the tree. They sinned because they were already sinners. All they did was sin again. Scripture provided upon request.

We all fall short of His glory, and you don't even need this argument. Paul covered it all in ONE VERSE. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. All you need.

Sin is defined by Strong's and Scripture describes it as "missing the mark" (think archery.) Since God cannot reduplicate or copy Himself, Adam and the woman were created fallen short of God's eternal glory. What you are doing is making God into the image of man. Heresy.

If they fell short of His glory when He created them, then He failed. His purpose was for them to be...to add to His glory. When they fell, the fell short of their purpose. This purpose remains to be seen, at the end of the age of humanity. At the end of the world. At that time, we will be to His glory.

Man was sinless? So, he possesse the nature and attributes of God? He would still fall short of God's glory for in order to stand blameless before God Adam would have to possess ALL the deific attributes and nature of God else he would fall short of God's glory.
Adam and the woman were sinners BEFORE they ate from the tree.

Then God created sin. God created imperfection. That means that His nature is sinful and imperfect. They were not sinners until they broke God's law, and at that time, there was only ONE LAW. They did not miss the mark until Adam ate the fruit. (For it is by one man that sin entered the world, and by sin, death.)

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Prov. 30:6.

I'm sure I have a speck in my eye, but I have to keep ducking under the tree sticking out of your's.

When they added to God's Word they showed themselves as liars and sinners that lie are sinful, not sinless.

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Gen. 3:2–3.

Liars. And liars are sinners. Thus, the false teaching of a "Fall" has been uncovered. There was no "Fall" because Adam and the woman were already sinners before they ate from the tree. Unless you want to reject the Word of God for your own pet theory.

Those are not categories; they are expressions by which sin is manifested. The same temptations occurred to Jesus in the desert when He was tempted. And by the way...my guess that along your false belief about the sons of God that you think "Satan" was with Jesus in the desert tempting Him, right? The angels that sinned, Peter and Jude say, were locked up (2 Peter. 2:4.) There is only one way in which we are tempted. It comes from within, not without.

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. James 1:13–14.

Temptation comes from within. Now, try to factor that into your false theology.

It wasn't necessary for the Jewish Christians to be instructed to obey the Torah/Law. They were already doing that. Even Saul was obedient to the Law:

20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Acts 21:19–20.

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts21:23–24.

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Acts 24:13–14.

When I was a child, I used commentaries. But when I became a man, I put away childish things and learned under the anointing to study the Scripture and the things God has revealed to me come from Scripture, not the tainted thought from other men's bible studies (which isn what commentaries are.)
Grow up. Ask God to teach you His Word, not men's books.
When you study God's Word on your own and under the anointing with a good translation (KJV) you are a man of God. When you study man's books you become a man of men.
Grow up and come at me with the Scripture that is sound and reasonable, not something that hasn't been thought through under the anointing.

Apparently you never learned the lesson shown through Apollos. He had two commentaries (Aquilla and Priscilla) who scripture says taught Him about God from scripture, PROPERLY. And after they were done, His witness was greatly enhanced, and he went on to even greater things. God moved through Him, because He listened to them and learned. KJV is a terrible translation.