FOR or BECAUSE OF the forgiveness of your sins, (Acts 2:38)

[Arial]

It's also wrong in that grace-enabled responses are not salvific. Repenting is not salvific. You can argue that repentance is. Believing is not what saves. Salvation is through belief (faith), not through believing. Those believing are already saved. Those repenting are already saved. Those obeying are already saved. Grace-enabled responses proceed from regeneration.

Believing is what saves. "Believe and you will be saved." We are saved through faith (which is believing). And of course, I believe/know that both are through regeneration. I intentionally worded it the way I did to prevent a deflection from the issue into yet another category conversation---the DoG. You know---give an inch, they will take a mile.

 

[BillyBob65]

BillyBob65 said:
Here is another little tidbit I don't understand. Some say that baptism can't be part of the saving grace (THE FAITH) because of Ephesians 2:8 but yet they agree that you must repent. Repenting is a work as defined by their take on baptism.

It's also wrong in that grace-enabled responses are not salvific. Repenting is not salvific. You can argue that repentance is. Believing is not what saves. Salvation is through belief (faith), not through believing. Those believing are already saved. Those repenting are already saved. Those obeying are already saved. Grace-enabled responses proceed from regeneration.

@BillyBob65 is still overlapping justification with sanctification, the same way that Methodists conflate fellowship (the result) with salvation (the cause). "Don't TELL me I wasn't saved at the moment, and my sins removed. I FELT it!"

its also wrong in that grace-enabled responses are not salvific. Repenting is not salvific. so one does not have to repent it is just optional. See why I don't take your word for anything it is deceptive.

Believing is not what saves. Salvation is through belief (faith), not through believing. Yes salvation is through THE FAITH (the gospel) but you are dead wrong when you say you don't have to believe the gospel. Again why would I believe anything you say you are not speaking the oracles of God but of your own mind.

Those obeying are already being saved. Grace-enabled responses proceed from provide regeneration.

@makesends really need to go back and do a better study before he tries to correct others.​

 

[makesends]

Believing is what saves. "Believe and you will be saved." We are saved through faith (which is believing). And of course, I believe/know that both are through regeneration. I intentionally worded it the way I did to prevent a deflection from the issue into yet another category conversation---the DoG. You know---give an inch, they will take a mile.

I should have clarified. Believing as a response does not save. We are not saved by believing/submitting/repenting as an act of the will. Being saved as a result of an act of the will is not being saved by grace.

But yeah, my bad for the deviation. I will drop it here.

 

[makesends]

its also wrong in that grace-enabled responses are not salvific. Repenting is not salvific. so one does not have to repent it is just optional. See why I don't take your word for anything it is deceptive.

Believing is not what saves. Salvation is through belief (faith), not through believing. Yes salvation is through THE FAITH (the gospel) but you are dead wrong when you say you don't have to believe the gospel. Again why would I believe anything you say you are not speaking the oracles of God but of your own mind.

Those obeying are already being saved. Grace-enabled responses proceed from provide regeneration.

@makesends really need to go back and do a better study before he tries to correct others.​

Well, it has become abundantly clear that @BillyBob65 is a synergist. He actually thinks that the two —the work of God and the work of the individual— complement each other in Salvation. BBob thinks God's work is not complete but needs man's act of will to complete it.

How that is possible with the Romans 8 mind of the flesh, at enmity with God, he hasn't explained. Nor has he explained just how that is Eph. 2 GRACE.

 

[BillyBob65]

Well, it has become abundantly clear that @BillyBob65 is a synergist. He actually thinks that the two —the work of God and the work of the individual— complement each other in Salvation. BBob thinks God's work is not complete but needs man's act of will to complete it.

How that is possible with the Romans 8 mind of the flesh, at enmity with God, he hasn't explained. Nor has he explained just how that is Eph. 2 GRACE.

Now this is funny as funny can be. My brother makesends seems to have trouble understanding basic bible words . God is the one that sent out the messengers not Me. It was God that sent out the Apostles to spread the gospel many passages make it clear but we will start with Matthew 28:18-20 Mark 16:15,16 Luke 24:46-49 Acts 9:6 Acts 10:4,5 and Romans 10:8-18 need i give more examples? It is not my will but God's will that he has joined man in his mission. I only submit to God's will and not question why he chose to have man be his spokesman.

 

[makesends]

It is not my will but God's will that he has joined man in his mission

I hope you mean, God has joined man INTO God's mission?

 

[BillyBob65]

I hope you mean, God has joined man INTO God's mission?

Yes that is what I thought I said.

 

[makesends]

Now this is funny as funny can be. My brother makesends seems to have trouble understanding basic bible words . God is the one that sent out the messengers not Me. It was God that sent out the Apostles to spread the gospel many passages make it clear but we will start with Matthew 28:18-20 Mark 16:15,16 Luke 24:46-49 Acts 9:6 Acts 10:4,5 and Romans 10:8-18 need i give more examples? It is not my will but God's will that he has joined man in his mission. I only submit to God's will and not question why he chose to have man be his spokesman.

You present the following as proof of something. I don't know what, but obviously you are thinking something needs proven here.
Matthew 28:18-20 Mark 16:15,16 Luke 24:46-49 Acts 9:6 Acts 10:4,5 Romans 10:8-18 How do those show that I have trouble understanding basic bible words? Am I saying you are the one who sent out messengers? How does the fact that God sent out the Apostles make it clear that your brother Makesends seems to have trouble understanding basic bible words? Or how does anything I'm saying oppose the fact that God sent out Apostles to spread the Gospel?

Before mocking, you might want to make a point that is not obvious to those you mock, why you are mocking them. To you, it may be obvious, but the mocking doesn't help your argument, if you don't make it clear what your point is, here.

 

[BillyBob65]

You made this snide remark about me did you already forget? "He actually thinks that the two —the work of God and the work of the individual— complement each other in Salvation."

I simply gave you many scriptures that say Yes God has sent his people out to help in conversion. I guess that is over your head I am sorry I thought that was elementary bible 101

 

[makesends]

You made this snide remark about me did you already forget? "He actually thinks that the two —the work of God and the work of the individual— complement each other in Salvation."

I simply gave you many scriptures that say Yes God has sent his people out to help in conversion. I guess that is over your head I am sorry I thought that was elementary bible 101

You are still sidestepping the fact that fallen man is incapable, nor does he will, to do what God requires. Please proceed to explain how the mind of the flesh, unwilling, and unable, Per Romans 8, to submit to God's rules, is nevertheless capable of valid repentance and believe and submission.

The fact that we are to spread the gospel is irrelevant to the subject of whether or not Salvation is synergistic.