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EVIDENCE FOR HUMAN-CHIMP COMMON ANCESTRY (By Request)

If you say so. I've noticed your questions were answered....and you've switched your attack against recognized scientific journals. Well done.
???

What questions did I miss?

Are you saying CRSQ is recognized by the academic research community?

Please don't pretend I'm evading questions. I am taking time out of my day to converse with you and have attempted to answer all your questions

It is an unfair insinuation to make when you have not rebutted any of the evidence I've presented with actual reputable science research of your own (you've responded, but your responses have not solved the myriad problems for fossil record Flood models)
 
???

What questions did I miss?

Are you saying CRSQ is recognized by the academic research community?

Please don't pretend I'm evading questions. I am taking time out of my day to converse with you and have attempted to answer all your questions

It is an unfair insinuation to make when you have not rebutted any of the evidence I've presented with actual reputable science research of your own (you've responded, but your responses have not solved the myriad problems for fossil record Flood models)
You are evading the question....you have tried to demonize a very well respected journal...peer reviewed...with unjust cause. This speaks a lot about your intentions.
 
You are evading the question....you have tried to demonize a very well respected journal...peer reviewed...with unjust cause. This speaks a lot about your intentions.
What question am I evading?

CRSQ is not respected in the academic science community (only "respected" among YECs).

The fact that on the other thread (and also post #19 of this thread) I gave you the names of half a dozen YEC scientists who are respected and do legitimate research published in recognized journals and attempted to steer you away from disreputable 'crackpot' ones who legit YECs scientists are embarrassed to be associated with does indeed say a lot about my intentions and how I want you to have the best YEC resources available even if I disagree with them.
 
From link: https://letterstocreationists.wordpress.com/2015/11/

"The genetic signature of a retrovirus in the genome is very distinctive. ERVs have common features such as the genes that code for the viral coat protein and for the reverse transcriptase that copies the viral RNA genome into DNA. The ERV DNA codes for three groups of proteins, known as “gag” (matrix, capsid, nucleoproteins), “pol“ (protease, reverse transcriptase, RNaseH, dUTPase, integrase) and “env” (subunit and transmembrane). This genetic core is flanked by long terminal repeats (LTR) sections. Finally, when the retrovirus tears open the host genome for insertion, some of the torn original host DNA is recopied on either side of the viral insert.

Here is what all this looks like for the insertion of a particular retrovirus from the CERV 30 family into the chimpanzee genome:

Insertion of a member of the CERV 30 (HERVK10) family in chimps. The insertion occurred in the LINE element present in chromosome 10 of the chimpanzee genome. The orthologous LINE element is present in chromosome 12 in humans. In chimpanzees target site duplications (ATTAT) are identified. A single copy of TSD (ATTAT, the pre-integration site) is found inside the LINE element in humans. The LTRs of the element are 99.4% identical. Source: Nalini Polavarapu, Nathan J Bowen, and John F McDonald, Identification, characterization and comparative genomics of chimpanzee endogenous retroviruses, Genome Biol. 2006; 7(6): R51 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1779541/
Insertion of a member of the CERV 30 (HERVK10) family in chimps. The insertion occurred in the LINE element present in chromosome 10 of the chimpanzee genome. The orthologous LINE element is present in chromosome 12 in humans. In chimpanzees target site duplications (ATTAT) are identified. A single copy of TSD (ATTAT, the pre-integration site) is found inside the LINE element in humans. The LTRs of the element are 99.4% identical.

Source: Nalini Polavarapu, Nathan J Bowen, and John F McDonald, Identification, characterization and comparative genomics of chimpanzee endogenous retroviruses, Genome Biol. 2006; 7(6): R51"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1779541/
Can you confirm that there are no retrovirus remnants not common to both Humans and Primates and what the % difference would be, and how it is determined that those not in common are not ancient.

Thanks
 
Can you confirm that there are no retrovirus remnants not common to both Humans and Primates and what the % difference would be, and how it is determined that those not in common are not ancient.

Thanks
Are you asking if humans have any ERVs not shared with primates?
 
Are you asking if humans have any ERVs not shared with primates?
Yes.

And if yes, what percentage is shared compared to not shared, and are the ones not shared not "ancient"
If not ancient, how is this established?
 
What question am I evading?

CRSQ is not respected in the academic science community (only "respected" among YECs).

The fact that on the other thread (and also post #19 of this thread) I gave you the names of half a dozen YEC scientists who are respected and do legitimate research published in recognized journals and attempted to steer you away from disreputable 'crackpot' ones who legit YECs scientists are embarrassed to be associated with does indeed say a lot about my intentions and how I want you to have the best YEC resources available even if I disagree with them.
So,CRSQ is a ...disreputable 'crackpot'....journal?
 
So,CRSQ is a ...disreputable 'crackpot'....journal?
CRSQ is not recognized as a legitimate scientific journal in the professional academic scientific community. CRSQ is *not* a legitimate scientific journal. Take any typical CRSQ article, submit it to a recognized scientific journal, and it would be rejected as substandard, and methodologically flawed.
 
CRSQ is not recognized as a legitimate scientific journal in the professional academic scientific community. CRSQ is *not* a legitimate scientific journal. Take any typical CRSQ article, submit it to a recognized scientific journal, and it would be rejected as substandard, and methodologically flawed.
Do you think you can prove that statement? I don't.

Now, would I think a fake science old earth style journal would publish YEC material...absolutly not. But for you to consider it to be substandard is preposterous.
 
1. Endogenous Retroviruses (ERVs) are the remnants of viral genetic material that get randomly inserted into our DNA as a result of viral infections, and subsequently get inherited (passed down to offspring). All vertebrates have ERVs in their genomes. [Analogy: Imagine you purchased an ebook from Amazon and downloaded it to your phone. Also, imagine that there are millions of different 'computer viruses' (different ERVs) floating around in cyberspace that can 'infect' your ebook by inserting a different word in a random location in your ebook.]

2. In humans, there are >100,000 such places in our genome where genetic material from these ERVs has been randomly inserted. [Analogy: Imagine that your ebook has been 'infected' by >100,000 different words that have been randomly inserted in >100,000 different random places in your ebook.]

3. Over 99.9% of these >100,000 ERVs are also found in the chimpanzee genome in the same, corresponding locations. [Analogy: Imagine that a friend of yours has a copy of the same ebook. You expect your friend's ebook to be 'infected' too, but with different viruses (remember, there are millions of different viruses floating around in cyberspace). But when you compare ebooks, you are shocked to discover that your friend's ebook has not only been infected with the exact same >100,000 different words, but they are also in the same >100,000 different places as they are in your own copy of the ebook].

4. The chance that any ONE same ERV would just so happen to coincidentally be inserted in the same location of the genome in both humans and chimps is ~1 chance in 10,000. The chance that this would happen twice is 10,000 x 10,000 = 1 chance in 100 million. The chance that it would happen 100,000 times by luck is 1 chance in 10,000^100,000 (the number 10,000 raised to the 100,000th power) which is such an astronomically improbable number that it would be a miraculous occurrence on par with a functional RNA self-replicator spontaneously forming by chance abiogenesis. (If we reject the latter on the basis of probability, then to not reject the former is special pleading).
I'm not knowledgeable in this area, but I know that causation-by-chance is a fiction. There is no such thing as truly 'random'. But you imply here, both contrasting notions —that this is caused by chance (ERV's are random), and —this is not mere coincidence. Take it a step further: This is not coincidence of random insertions, but that it is original to both species; or, that these insertions were inserted by God into both species at whatever point he did so.

I don't suppose that I can convince you of another viewpoint, but consider the notion, that God being the default, implies that science attempting to leave God out of its equations, is itself a form of special pleading. It seeks any explanation, but God, in its 'natural world' of 'natural causes'. Yet it posits a universe that behaves almost exactly as if God had created it. It then says, "But God couldn't have, since that would not be natural, so no God necessary in the calculations."
 
Do you think you can prove that statement? I don't.

Now, would I think a fake science old earth style journal would publish YEC material...absolutly not. But for you to consider it to be substandard is preposterous.
I'm just being honest with you. CRSQ has published hoaxes before. How trustworthy is that? Not very.
 
I'm not knowledgeable in this area, but I know that causation-by-chance is a fiction. There is no such thing as truly 'random'.
You're partially correct. And the link explains that. It's not random insertion in the sense of it can insert anywhere in the 3 billion bp human genome, but ~1 in 10,000 places.
This is not coincidence of random insertions, but that it is original to both species; or, that these insertions were inserted by God into both species at whatever point he did so.
The difficulty with that is that these are not original DNA but from viral infections that come after creation and many would say after the Fall
I don't suppose that I can convince you of another viewpoint, but consider the notion, that God being the default, implies that science attempting to leave God out of its equations, is itself a form of special pleading
The studies are neutral observations simply reporting what we find in genomes. They are not anti God anymore than observations about the planets that challenged church understanding in the 1500s are anti God.
 
You're partially correct. And the link explains that. It's not random insertion in the sense of it can insert anywhere in the 3 billion bp human genome, but ~1 in 10,000 places.
That would be incorrect. Mutations can happen anywhere in the 3 billion bp's
The difficulty with that is that these are not original DNA but from viral infections that come after creation and many would say after the Fall

The studies are neutral observations simply reporting what we find in genomes. They are not anti God anymore than observations about the planets that challenged church understanding in the 1500s are anti God.
 
Np. In fact, I'll do you one better. I'll start a separate thread on it.
Anything outside of the false narrative you believe will be considered as a hoax. In fact many of your sect consider the resurrection as a hoax.
 
That would be incorrect. Mutations can happen anywhere in the 3 billion bp's
Actually, you're incorrect. There are mutation "hot spots" in genomes that are more prone to mutations
 
Actually, you're incorrect. There are mutation "hot spots" in genomes that are more prone to mutations
Listen to yourself....you just told me copying errors can only happen in hot spots.
 
Listen to yourself....you just told me copying errors can only happen in hot spots.
No, I said mutations. Not all mutations are copying errors. You honestly do not know what you are talking about.
 
No, I said mutations. Not all mutations are copying errors. You honestly do not know what you are talking about.
Did you also study goalpost moving back in your college days?

It was a simple statement....mutations can happen anywhere..you said, nope, mutations are pinpointed indicating that they can't....I mentioned they were copy errors....which you just denied by telling me not all mutations were copying errors...then told me I don't know what I'm talking about. You're all over the page.

TB2, you really gotta do better.
 
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