Does Colossians 2:16 abolish the Fourth Commandment?

[Soyeong]

The question becomes does the principle come from the moral law, then as Christ asked, is the resulting action lawful.

The principles are the moral law and acting in accordance with them is lawful.

 

[Mr GLee]

In Colossians 2:17, Paul said that God's holy days are foreshadows of what is to come, so we should live in a way that testifies about what is to come by continuing to observe them rather than a way that bears false witness against what is to come. In 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, Paul spoke in regard to how Passover foreshadowed Jesus by drawing the connection of him being our Passover Lamb, however, instead of concluding that we should no longer bother observing Passover, he concluded by saying that we should therefore continue to observe it.

In order to refer to the moral or ceremonial law, you should first show where the Bible refers to those as being a categories of law and then lists which laws belong in each of those categories because if you don't establish that your concept of the moral or ceremonial law is identical to a concept that the authors of the Bible had, then you are misinterpreting them by interpreting them as referring to a concept that you created.

To suggest that some of God's laws are not moral laws is to suggest that we can be acting morally while disobeying those laws, however, there is no example in the Bible where disobedience to any of God's laws was treated as being moral, nor do I see any reason to think that it can ever be moral to disobey God. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. Legislators give laws according to what they think ought to be done, so for someone to claim that some of God's laws are not moral laws is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He gave those laws, and therefore to claim to have greater moral knowledge than God.

In Hebrews 4:9-11, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, we should rest from our works in accordance with how God rested from His works after six days of creation, and we should strive to enter into that rest so that no one may fall away by the same sort of disobedience, so Hebrews 4 does not support disobeying God's command to keep the 7th day holy, but just the opposite. We can't keep a principle while not keeping the examples that were given to testify about that principle.

Shadows are not separate from moral laws . Ceremonial laws are signs to the unbelieving world in a hope they might be drawn to the living word the gospel for understanding . They were not a ceremonial sign to themselves.They have prophecy to lead and guide.

The "Rest" commandment called Sabbath a Hebrew word) is not a time sensitive word. Because it is a shadow or parable as a ceremonial law it is given a reasoning which differs between the Exodus and the Deuteronomy.

Deuteronomy 5 1For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it

Exodus20: 15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

In that way God can demand moral judgment as a sign to indicate the rest of the believers, whenever hear his voice and not harden ones heart. The substance of the shadow of eternal rest.

Disrespect for a ceremonial law can end in death.The manna that must be baked or cooked was to be prepared the previous day and not eaten of the same day of preparation. The first of the two days of rest it begins preparing our hearts and minds . The manna if not baked turns into maggots to represent death

Sort of like in Acts when the husband fell out the window and wife perished not honoring the tithe ceremony . Acts 20:8-10

Moral laws are used in ceremonies, they are for examples or loving warmings. No reasoning with the other kind of moral laws as a example for "thou shall not murder" thou shall not lust"etc .

Different kinds of moral law .

Number 15:31-36 Because he hath despised the word of the Lord, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him. And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.

 

[prism]

Ceremonial laws are signs to the unbelieving world in a hope they might be drawn to the living word the gospel for understanding . They were not a ceremonial sign to themselves.They have prophecy to lead and guide

'In a hope'?
Poor Holy Spirit, I guess He is insufficient to draw and open up the understanding of the unbeliever.?
Instead, He needs a 'ceremonial sign'?
Whatever happened to the power embedded in the message of the Gospel?

Romans 1:16 KJV
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

[Mr GLee]

'In a hope'?
Poor Holy Spirit, I guess He is insufficient to draw and open up the understanding of the unbeliever.?
Instead, He needs a 'ceremonial sign'?
Whatever happened to the power embedded in the message of the Gospel?

Romans 1:16 KJV
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Yes the unseen eternal things of God is the power of His faith or called labor of love

Luke 17:20-21King James Version20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The kingdom is still here not seen .The kingdom of God does not come by looking at the temporal historial seen. It must be mixed with faith the unseen things of God Christ's faith the spiritual unseen to faith the spiritual unseen . without parables Christ spoke not .

The 20/20 prescription given is needed to rightly divide the parable Or mankind forfeits the understanding of faith the unseen things of God

2 Corinthians 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

No mixing no gospel rest

 

[prism]

Yes the unseen eternal things of God is the power of His faith or called labor of love

Luke 17:20-21King James Version20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The kingdom is still here not seen .The kingdom of God does not come by looking at the temporal historial seen. It must be mixed with faith the unseen things of God Christ's faith the spiritual unseen to faith the spiritual unseen . without parables Christ spoke not .

The 20/20 prescription given is needed to rightly divide the parable Or mankind forfeits the understanding of faith the unseen things of God

2 Corinthians 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

No mixing no gospel rest

The kingdom of God is within you, is not a new agey concept. Jesus was saying the kingdom of God is AMONGST you, i.e. Jesus was there standing amongst them.

Yes, we walk by faith, not by sight, YET
Romans 10:17 NASB
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.