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Covenant of Works

I feel I am missing comments and getting a little lost in some responses - please forgive me if I have done that to you. It is a little like drinking from a fire hose. I really appreciate seeing the different points of view.

For those who don’t think “Conclusion #1” accurately reflects the doctrine of the C.O.W., especIally in the aspect of the preconditions of personal, perfect and perpetual obedience prior to gaining access to the tree of life/earning the debt of eternal life, please help me by documenting citations from credible (to you) authorities who say that.

I made my case against any preconditions (and probation) using explicit Bible texts.

Am I misrepresenting what is explicitly said in Genesis? Are there texts elsewhere that contradict my assertions about Adam having immediate, free, unfettered and unconditional (save the condition of not eating from the forbidden tree) access to the tree of life?

if there were no preconditions of perfect obedience, then it would seem to me that the only conclusion can be that the Covenant of “Works” never existed.

Bible texts, please.
I empathize with you; it's like you're the Belle of the Ball, because every Calvinist wants to cut in and dance with you. Just have fun...

//My reading of Genesis 2 & 3 shows the explicit texts say Adam did not have to meet a single precondition, but had from the outset complete and permission to eat from the tree of life with the single condition of not eating from the forbidden tree. No acts or personal, perfect and perpetual obedience.

If there were no pre-conditions, no works required, then there was no covenant of “works.”//

I'm not your typical Calvinist, so I'm not your Typical Covenant Theologian. I suggest you just read my points, and think on them. Your four Conclusions are pretty good for the Basics; but as you see from everyone, there's a LOT more to deal with...

There were preconditions to the Edenic Covenant of Works, do not eat the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; a requirement to refrain is a Work. Though no Positive Works we're required in the Edenic Covenant, such as the First Commandment; which is 'Thou shalt have God', Precautions existed. Preconditions existed in the Mosaic Covenant which were Preconditions too, such as 'Thou shalt not Steal'. Aren't Precautions also Preconditions?
 
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Am I misrepresenting what is explicitly said in Genesis? Are there texts elsewhere that contradict my assertions about Adam having immediate, free, unfettered and unconditional (save the condition of not eating from the forbidden tree) access to the tree of life?
No. The misrepresentation is from using theologians that misstate the covenant of works, to contend against the entire theological covenant of works.
 
Thank you for the good questions!
Are you denying that a covenant existed between God and Adam? Many Christians do, even though they do not deny that a covenant with Israel was a covenant of works. They deny the Edenic covenant on the grounds that it does not use the word covenant.
I believe a covenant was offered to Adam by granting access to the tree of life and forbidden access to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam had a clear choice to make, and he did choose.
But the conditions of a covenant did exist and it was a covenant of works. It was not a covenant of grace which is a unilateral covenant, meaning it places no requirements on the covenant participants, but only on God to meet the promises of the covenant. The new covenant is unilateral. A covenant of works is a bilateral covenant. Meaning God initiates the covenant and its conditions for Him to fulfill the promises in the covenant, and stipulates the penalties for the participants not meeting the conditions.

Gen 2:15-17 The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." That is a covenant command. The promise of the covenant is the tree of life, mankind having dominion over the creatures, and the care of the garden, to be done so in submission to Him. Adam was planted (placed) into the promise, whereas his progeny do to the fall are not. Adam was created righteous. The covenant breaker would be disobedience to the command and gaining the knowledge of evil. The consequences were losing access to the tree of life, for then humanity was a sinful, not a righteous, being. The ground was cursed, pain and conflict and suffering entered humanity, and the serpent was cursed. And the future promise made---her Seed will crush your head. And that Seed is the only way out of the condition Adam placed mankind in. And how did He do it. By faithfully meeting every requirement of the covenant of works, including that of the Mosaic covenant law. I think you have a misunderstanding of "works."

Perfect personal, perpetual obedience is required. And no one can meet the requirement.Enter the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. That is exactly the place the covenant of works meets the Redeemer who supplies perfect righteousness, substitutes Himself for the sinner on the cross, and where the doctrines of imputation and justification in the covenant of grace come from. The covenant of works. Grace and truth come through Christ. Mercy and justice kiss on the cross.

Only those misrepresenting the covenant of works say that. The actual covenant of works does not say that.
Thank you. It seems you disagree with the published theologians, so please allow me to explore what you believe.

Three questions:

1. Did Adam have to do any works of personal, perfect and perpetual obedience prior to gaining access to the tree of life/eternal life?

If yes, please explain the contradiction I demonstrate where no such limitations are placed in Genesis 2 & 3 - in fact preconditions are refuted by the the explicit command that all other trees being freely available - using explicit Bible texts, if you would.

Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

If no, then we agree that no works were required for Adam to gain eternal life in the Edenic Covenant/C.O.W.

2. What are the key differences between what Grudem/Fesko stated (and I quoted) and what you believe to be true? A simple list would be helpful.

3. Was it possible for an Israelite under the Mosaic covenant to obey perfectly and earn eternal life?

Responding to posts takes a lot of time - thank you for your time.
 
Thank you. It seems you disagree with the published theologians, so please allow me to explore what you believe.
There is something we need to consider, the Logical Fallacy of a False Dilemma. Yes, the Theologians are authoritative; and surely say more than you provide us to work with...

I keep saying that your Four Conclusions are a good framework, but there is more to the Covenant of Works than the framework...
 
There were preconditions to the Edenic Covenant of Works; do not eat the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Sorry this was not clear:

I make that distinction here: “There were no preconditions, other than not eating the forbidden fruit, including no requirement
for perfect obedience, that Adam had to satisfy before eating from the tree of life.“

In most of the 30+ times I use the term “preconditions“ I linked it to the preconditions of personal, perfect, perpetual obedience.

i have not seen (maybe I missed it) where anyone has squared the circle of the explicit permission without preconditions in Genesis 2 & 3 with the foundational and essential teaching in the C.O.W. of preconditions of personal, perfect and perpetual obedience in order to earn righteousness & merit eternal life.

I am not surprised - I asked this of Fesko and “The Pactum” on Twitter and there was radio silence. I could be proven wrong, but I don’t think there is a way around this explicit contradiction.
 
Sorry this was not clear:

I make that distinction here: “There were no preconditions, other than not eating the forbidden fruit, including no requirement
for perfect obedience, that Adam had to satisfy before eating from the tree of life.“

In most of the 30+ times I use the term “preconditions“ I linked it to the preconditions of personal, perfect, perpetual obedience.

i have not seen (maybe I missed it) where anyone has squared the circle of the explicit permission without preconditions in Genesis 2 & 3 with the foundational and essential teaching in the C.O.W. of preconditions of personal, perfect and perpetual obedience in order to earn righteousness & merit eternal life.

I am not surprised - I asked this of Fesko and “The Pactum” on Twitter and there was radio silence. I could be proven wrong, but I don’t think there is a way around this explicit contradiction.
Please do not be one of those Posters who received answers, but then say no answers have been given...

//There were preconditions to the Edenic Covenant of Works, do not eat the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; a requirement to refrain is a Work. Though no Positive Works we're required in the Edenic Covenant, such as the First Commandment; which is 'Thou shalt have God', Precautions existed. Preconditions existed in the Mosaic Covenant which were Precautions too, such as 'Thou shalt not Steal'. Aren't Precautions also Preconditions?//

You didn't quote all of the paragraph. Though no Positive Works we're required in the Edenic Covenant, such as the First Commandment; which is 'Thou shalt have God', Precautions existed. Preconditions existed in the Mosaic Covenant which were Precautions too, such as 'Thou shalt not Steal'. Aren't Precautions also Preconditions?
 
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Please do not be one of those Posters who received answers, but then say no answers have been given...

//There were preconditions to the Edenic Covenant of Works, do not eat the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; a requirement to refrain is a Work. Though no Positive Works we're required in the Edenic Covenant, such as the First Commandment; which is 'Thou shalt have God', Precautions existed. Preconditions existed in the Mosaic Covenant which were Preconditions too, such as 'Thou shalt not Steal'. Aren't Precautions also Preconditions?//

You didn't quote all of the paragraph. Though no Positive Works we're required in the Edenic Covenant, such as the First Commandment; which is 'Thou shalt have God', Precautions existed. Preconditions existed in the Mosaic Covenant which were Preconditions too, such as 'Thou shalt not Steal'. Aren't Precautions also Preconditions?
I see - I thought you were speaking of what I wrote.

Certainly there were conditions as you describe. Knowing that I can not always get what people are posting, when you say: “Though no Positive Works we're required in the Edenic Covenant, …” are you agreeing with my assertion that Adam did not have to perform any works of personal, perfect and perpetual obedience?

I can get stuff wrong … 😃
 
I see - I thought you were speaking of what I wrote.

Certainly there were conditions as you describe. Knowing that I can not always get what people are posting, when you say: “Though no Positive Works we're required in the Edenic Covenant, …” are you agreeing with my assertion that Adam did not have to perform any works of personal, perfect and perpetual obedience?

I can get stuff wrong … 😃
We almost agree. Adam didn't have to perform Labour's like Hercules, which are Actions. But Adam's Precondition was more like going through a Trial than performing a Labour. The Mosaic Covenant was full of Trials, and the Jews would have to avoid pitfalls; this is a Covenant too...
 
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I am summarising from what the biblical doctrine is not the unbiblical one. The biblical statement of the COW does not state that Adam was forbidden to eat of the tree of life. So we can't argue against the COW by using what it is not. We have to argue for or against it according to what it is. So considering that the COW does not teach that Adam was forbidden to eat of the tree of life until he had passed an imaginary probation period or met certain requirements, but that he always had access to the tree of life until he was thrown out of the garden----do you still say there is no covenant of works?
OK - Maybe we agree on no preconditions as well as no probation.

I think you are saying there was absolutely no requirement for Adam to demonstrate any personal, perfect or perpetual obedience before eating from the tree of life. (Obviously he would have had to not eat from the forbidden tree …)

He had no need to earn righteousness by obedience, nor merit eternal life by any works? Adam could have just walked over to the tree of life, eaten one of the fruits and had eternal life for himself and his posterity?

(This is are serious questions - I am trying to understand what you mean by the “Biblical statement of the C.O.W.” - I believe Adam could have bel God and plucked the fruit from the tree of life …)

How does the fact that there were no pre-conditions for having access to the tree of life equal no covenant of works? The conditions were to not having access to the tree of life. Which was to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That was the condition that would lose access to the tree of life. Eat of it and you will die. When they ate, they were thrown out and locked out of the garden and the tree of life so the couldn't continue to eat of it.
 
We almost agree. Adam didn't have to perform Labour's like Hercules, which are Actions. But Adam's Precondition was more like going through a Trial than performing a Labour. The Mosaic Covenant was full of Trials, and the Jews would have to avoid pitfalls; this is a Covenant too...
You are almost there! 😀😅😇

Stay with me here: would you agree that Adam’s “trial” consisted solely of choosing between the tree of life and the forbidden tree? (Believing God) That would be consistent with Genesis 2 & 3.

IF Adam had to do any other works of perfect, personal … obedience, then I think you have to square the circle.
 
You are almost there! 😀😅😇

Stay with me here: would you agree that Adam’s “trial” consisted solely of choosing between the tree of life and the forbidden tree? (Believing God) That would be consistent with Genesis 2 & 3.

IF Adam had to do any other works of perfect, personal … obedience, then I think you have to square the circle.
We're close. No, the Trial wasn't solely Adam choosing between the Tree of Life and the Forbidden Tree. The Trial to avoid a Pitfall, was to not Choose the Forbidden Tree...

This was the Edenic Covenant of Works...
 
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Again, we're close. No, the Trial wasn't solely Adam choosing between the Tree of Life and the Forbidden Tree. The Trial was to not Choose the Forbidden Tree...

This was the Edenic Covenant of Works...
Hmmmm ... Not understanding this yet.

So this Edenic Covenant had no upside - no promise - no option to eat from the tree of life/eternal life?

”splain this to me … remember I can’t read real fast, so type slow …🤪
 
Hmmmm ... Not understanding this yet.

So this Edenic Covenant had no upside - no promise - no option to eat from the tree of life/eternal life?

”splain this to me … remember I can’t read real fast, so type slow …🤪
The Edenic Covenant had no upside- no Promise. The First Commandment that came with a Promise was to honor your mother and father. Therefore the Commandment to not eat the Forbidden Fruit had no Promises. There was an option to eat from the Tree of Life immediately, but this Option was not a Promise. If we want to think it's a Promise, it's not. Special Revelation tells us there was no Promise in Eden, it was at Mount Sanai...
 
The Edenic Covenant had no upside- no Promise. The First Commandment that came with a Promise was to honor your mother and father. Therefore the Commandment to not eat the Forbidden Fruit had no Promises. There was an option to eat from the Tree of Life immediately, but this Option was not a Promise. If we want to think it's a Promise, it's not. Special Revelation tells us there was no Promise in Eden, it was at Mount Sanai...
OK, then what was the tree of life? Genesis 2 makes it clear Adam could have eaten from it. Genesis 3 that he could have eaten from it and had eternal life - after Adam sinned. Getting eternal life from the tree of life seems to me to be a pretty substantial upside…
 
OK, then what was the tree of life? Genesis 2 makes it clear Adam could have eaten from it. Genesis 3 that he could have eaten from it and had eternal life - after Adam sinned. Getting eternal life from the tree of life seems to me to be a pretty substantial upside…
In Covenant Theology, the Trees are Types of the Covenant of Works and the Covenant of Grace; Types of the Law of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Breaking the Law restricts access to the Gospel. As Types, the Garden of Eden Prophecizes the coming of the Mosaic Covenant of Works, and the New Covenant of Grace; through the use of the Edenic Covenant of Works...
 
OK, then what was the tree of life? Genesis 2 makes it clear Adam could have eaten from it. Genesis 3 that he could have eaten from it and had eternal life - after Adam sinned. Getting eternal life from the tree of life seems to me to be a pretty substantial upside…
I think you are using “promise” as the fulcrum/lens of your statement, and the “first commandment with a promise“ to be extend beyond the immediate context of the 10 commandments and be applied retroactively to Eden.

That is actually consistent with how Calvin viewed and applied Lev. 18:5. I hope to demonstrate the deficiency of Calvin’s approach in the Conclusion #2.
 
I think you are using “promise” as the fulcrum/lens of your statement, and the “first commandment with a promise“ to be extend beyond the immediate context of the 10 commandments and be applied retroactively to Eden.

That is actually consistent with how Calvin viewed and applied Lev. 18:5. I hope to demonstrate the deficiency of Calvin’s approach in the Conclusion #2.
I will be looking forward to it in it's proper time. I will read more from your first Conclusion tomorrow...
 
I am summarising from what the biblical doctrine is not the unbiblical one. The biblical statement of the COW does not state that Adam was forbidden to eat of the tree of life. So we can't argue against the COW by using what it is not. We have to argue for or against it according to what it is. So considering that the COW does not teach that Adam was forbidden to eat of the tree of life until he had passed an imaginary probation period or met certain requirements, but that he always had access to the tree of life until he was thrown out of the garden----do you still say there is no covenant of works?

How does the fact that there were no pre-conditions for having access to the tree of life equal no covenant of works? The conditions were to not having access to the tree of life. Which was to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That was the condition that would lose access to the tree of life. Eat of it and you will die. When they ate, they were thrown out and locked out of the garden and the tree of life so the couldn't continue to eat of it.
Trying to catch up on open topics...
So considering that the COW does not teach that Adam was forbidden to eat of the tree of life until he had passed an imaginary probation period or met certain requirements, but that he always had access to the tree of life until he was thrown out of the garden----do you still say there is no covenant of works?
If the C.O.W. requires any preconditions before having access to the tree of life, in particular the “personal, perfect, perpetual obedience, (with obvious exceptions such as nit eating the forbidden fruit, walking to the tree of life, reaching for and taking the fruit, …) then the C.O.W. is falsified by explicit Scriptures in Genesis 2 & 3.

If the C.O.W. requires no preconditions (except not eating the forbidden fruit), then it aligns with the explicit passages in Genesis 2 & 3. That is not the only fatal flaw that I assert, but such a position would avoid the Genesis conflict.

However, taking that position would create significant inconsistencies with other … “alleged“ … foundations for the C.O.W. Leviticus 18:5 disappears as a proof text, how eternal life was “earned” by Jesus disappears, eternal life is no longer a matter of the righteous works of Jesus, I am not sure how the imputation of Adam’s sin holds up (have to think about that a bit ...) There might be other consequences of abandoning preconditions before Adam being allowed access to the tree of life.

As there are differences in opinion about what is the correct doctrine of the C.O.W., I am limited in speculating whether or not every version of the C.O.W. is falsified by stating there were no preconditions for Adam.

The Grudem/Fesko/et al version certainly is.
 
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So, these three authoritative sources should be enough to demonstrate that the Covenant of Works does indeed establish preconditions of perfect obedience and a time of probation before Adam would be allowed to eat from the tree of life.

Now, let’s test the Biblical basis for this conclusion – starting with Biblical affirmations, then we will look to see if there are Bible texts that contradict the conclusion.

Step 2 – Are There Positive Bible Affirmations for “Preconditions and Probation?” – “Adam had to, over a probationary period of time, perform “works” by meeting the conditions of personal, perfect and perpetual obedience before God would allow Adam to eat from the tree of life?”

As we have seen, these - and many more theologians, confidently lay their professional reputations as Bible scholars on the line by adamantly claiming that the Lord God did not allow Adam to eat from the tree of life without Adam first proving himself by works of perfect obedience during a time of probation – those being the very “works” that are referred to in the Covenant of “Works.” Then – and ONLY then – would the Lord God grant Adam access to the tree of life and the eternal life eating its fruit would bring.

Once again, to be utterly fair, let’s look to see if theologians cite any Bible passages that say Adam’s access to the tree of life was limited – by God or any others – and Adam could finally eat from the tree of life only after successfully meeting the preconditions by completing his works of perfect obedience during his time of probation.

From the writings of these theologians, the unequivocable answer is: No.


Remarkably, there are absolutely no actual Bible passages cited by these sources and apologists to support this “Covenant of Works” conclusion of a time of probation during which the demand that the preconditions of perfect obedience had to be met. Bible texts are cited – but none of them address the question of Adam’s access to the tree of life being in any way restricted until he fulfilled a time of successfully demonstrating personal, perfect and perpetual obedience to God – at all – or during a time of probation. (The stated preconditions.)

Think about this: the authors and sources already noted here, along with many other apologists who share their views, offer no Bible passages or texts in their many writings to prove:
  • The existence of a time of Adamic “probation.”
  • That Adam had to meet the precondition of “personal, perfect and perpetual obedience” before allowed to eat from the tree of life.
  • That Adam had any restrictions, prior to him eating fruit from the forbidden tree, that limited him from taking fruit from the tree of life at any time.
Why are no such explicit Bible texts cited for a time of probation and preconditions for eating from the tree of live?

Because Bible texts stating there were preconditions and a time of probation before Adam was allowed to eat from the tree of life simply do not exist.

Now there are passages offered as “proof” of perfect obedience earning eternal life, such as their interpretation of the instruction to the nation of Israel to obey the laws of God. This theory takes events thousands of years after Adam, Eve and the Garden of Eden when God is speaking to Israel. Theologians say Lev.18:5 where God says to the Israelites: “You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, which if a man does, he shall live by them: I am the Lord” establishes a “works principle” of personal, perfect and perpetual obedience as the required means to earn eternal life. This “works principle” is said to convey the idea that the Adamic Covenant of Works was in full force during the time of the Israelites and that the Covenant of Works was directly referenced by God in Lev. 18:5.

Other portions of Scripture confirm this as the Adamic works-principle surfaces in the midst of the Mosaic covenant (Lev. 18:5) and in Christ’s and Paul’s teaching: perfect obedience secures eschatological life (cf. Luke 10:28; Gal. 3:12; Rom. 10:5). Moreover, Paul succinctly states that Christ was born ‘under the law’ (Gal. 4:4), which corroborates the conclusion that the terms of the Adamic covenant still persist.

Fesko, J. V.. Adam and the Covenant of Works (Divine Covenants Book 1) (p. 309). Christian Focus Publications. Kindle Edition.

Conclusion #2: “Eternal Life Can be Earnedincludes a detailed exposition on this passage in Leviticus. Without getting too far ahead of ourselves, an acid test of the alleged correct interpretation of Lev. 18:5 as establishing preconditions of personal, perfect and perpetual obedience by Israelites to earn eternal life and then “back dating” those conditions to apply to Adam would be if the explicit texts in Genesis 2 and 3 agreed – or contradicted – the assertion that God required preconditions of Adam before eating from the tree of life, or if God did not. We will examine this next.

Perhaps you are surprised that theologians have zero explicit Bible texts to support their conclusions that Adam had to wait until his probation was complete and that he had to satisfy all preconditions of perfect obedience before being allowed to eat from the tree of life.

There is a reason no explicit Bible texts are cited. It is because the explicit Bible texts say the exact opposite is true.

The explicit Bible texts
actually state that, until he ate from the forbidden fruit, Adam had immediate, full, unfettered, unrestricted and complete unconditional permission from God to eat from the tree of life – at any time. No preconditions. No probation. No “personal, perfect and perpetual obedience” required.
Not that it is possible to edit, since, I expect, time to edit has run out, but you do not make clear to the casual reader, that the first paragraph is not your thought, but a stating of what you deny. Maybe you should have put it in quotes.
 
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