Probably my favorite line from Paul when considering God's sovereignty and His place as Creator.
(TMSO - The Mostly Silent One)- It was originally from High School, when I watched mostly, and spoke little. [I was... different.] I used it in College on electronic bulletin boards as well.
I will get to this point by point in a bit. As a preview of what is about to come: you are not following the scriptures, you are rewriting them, throwing a lot of mud in the water, and presenting nothing but your musings. And you gave not a shred of evidence to back up anything you said.
The question was actually what does irresistible grace consist of? Is the problem an inability to stay focused, or is it that when you actually get a question answered, and you don't like the answer or perhaps the answer is one that is so irrefutable and actually causes the light bulb to flicker, that you skip right on by and simply change the question and then present your own monologue?
Seems you still think it is all bout the clay and not about the Potter.
Well let's get straight what grace isn't first and then address what you say. Grace is not power, it is favor/blessing/provision. Christ is full of grace and truth. God is the fountain of grace---that is the source of all grace and graces. This would be an example of grace and the graces in grace: Eph 1:3-14
Probably the strongest statement of salvation through grace alone, at least the most pointed to, though it is supported within the whole counsel of God, is Eph 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Perhaps you should stop applying the pressure as being on me but consider the possibility that it is being applied to you for your own good. It will require an honest desire to know truth rather than thinking that you already have it and therefore simply down putting others. It will require you to be willing to humble yourself before God and bear up under the sharp wounds to ego that might have to face being wrong. I would not expect you to do so on the forum, at least not until you have suffered the blows to ego and survived them, come out the other side joyful and grateful, unable to not speak of His glory.
Well Genez, you will have to prove that with scripture.
I sincerly hope this is not a verse you plan to us to support your belief above?
None of what? Scripture please.
Genez, honestly bud, you need to start using scripture to back your understanding.
All men choose to reject God. Do you realize we are all born at emnity with God? Our nature must be changed before we will convert.
Says who? You?
Huh?
Really? Make up your mind, either man chooses or he dont.
To explain your view according to scripture is extreemly complicated, matter of fact it is impossible. But go for it.
Scriptures please? Logic alone dictates that there cannot be two sovereigns existing in the same place and at the same time.
An image of something is not the thing itself. So rethink what God might mean by creating us in His image and likeness. If you get it right, you can begin interpreting the Bible consistently and correctly, and put God in His proper place in your thinking, and humanity in their proper place in your thinking. Until you can do that none of your statements can be supported in the scriptures----which is why I guess you find it impossible to do. So you just keep making statements and giving them no support.
It is astonishing the number of people who make that nonsense statement without a seconds look at hermeneutics or exegesis (even though they don't read anything else that way, only the Bible) and therefore arrive at a place where man is sovereign over God and at the same time say they believe God is sovereign. When you do what you just did by your misinterpretation of the scripture you gave, you do not have two equal sovereigns in the same place and at the same time, which of course is an impossibility, you have man being sovereign over God, and God whimpering on the sidelines. Not only that----it becomes that God designed it that way for the sake of our freedom. We become at that point more free than God. If you want me to exegete the scripture for you I will. I have done so many times and in many places.
Yikes!!!!! is all I dare say at the moment. Maybe later.
Your flesh is pretty much all that is involved in your theology and doctrine. The flesh would be us choosing. God requiring us to choose in order to be saved, would be Him asking for our flesh to profit salvation---and HE SAYS, the flesh profits nothing. Grace is not a power. It is something freely given even though it is not earned or asked for. And that something in this case is faith. ANd if He gives faith, the person has faith. Faith is not a choice, it is what it is.
I don't have that problem. You do. That is why you keep presenting things by telling us what God is and what He does, and how He does them. All from a completely human starting point. All from your perspective of how you think He ought to be. You have not and cannot support any of it with scripture----what God says----and don't even try to.
Well then, how do you put faith in it? Considering the natural man does not believe, nor can he.
It was needed to say because of the Pharisees. Really?
Well, who chooses God?
Not by choice. Compulsion.
