The Hypers

[Carbon]

The Fallacy is also known as "I'm entitled to my Opinion". We're not entitled to an Opinion that 2+2=5, and agreeing to disagree here is the Logical Fallacy of Relevance. In Christianity, we have Fundamentals which people cannot agree to disagree on. Agreeing to Disagree means the argument just ain't that important...

Why have the Argument at all then?

Maybe you should agree to disagree?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Can I offer a few thoughts?

I don't know what's going on or why or where, though recently is likely to be quite the good guess as to a when.

I would offer that if someone is that distressed by what you're saying that he's willing to chase you down over it then perhaps you should be more concerned with what he's saying, not less.

Assuming he's a Spirit filled believer then he's only doing what he's called up on by God to do yes? Defend the faith once for all delivered to the saints.

If I was wrong I would want my brothers to correct me yes? So perhaps trying to understand the issue at heart, instead of agreeing to disagree is a better course of action.

I don't mean to intrude upon private disagreements but it seemed appropriate enough to share a few thoughts.

My husband likes me he says, because I can't outrun him. (Lol) Comments like that are funny, but I know he loves me because of them.

I think God chases us down. Maybe God is using @fastfredy0 to say something to you. Why don't you try praying about it? Ask God to help you understand him. He clearly cares about something enough to engage like this.

At any rate, I pray your day is going well.

I think we have gotten off topic. I would like to thank you for your concern however. God bless you

As for your comment. I would say the answer is no.

1. You don't push people. that is how this conversation started to begin with. Because I did not want to push. and a brother did not want to push. I learned along time ago. when you push push push. You usually get a hand in the face, especially when you prove you are not listening to what the other person is saying
2. When someone asks you to stop conversing. because you are at odds. and nothing good can come from it. again, you do not keep pushing. Doing this is selfish and stops being, "I care for you, it starts to be I care about getting my point across. and you will listen to me." at least that is how it comes across to the one being pushed.
3. When someone tells you numerous time they do not believe something. and you continually attack them as if they believe something, again you have lost any sense of credibility
4. When you get into someone's email. and instead of asking. Why did you do this, or did you really mean this. but come out and literally call you out for doing something you did not even do. well this is why I Got mad before. You want to discuss the word with me. feel free.

You want to attack me. Continue to try to correct me as if I did something wrong. Good day

1. This is why I got mad last time (I am getting a little angry now just thinking about it, I also had to go back to the email to make sure I got my facts straight)
2. If I did need help, if I did need corrected. this person would be the last person I would listen to.

anyway, again this is getting off topic. I used this experience as a reason there are times when we just walk away. Because nothing good can come from continuing on a particular conversation when two parties have made up their mind. I have also tried to keep the persons in question anonymous, its not my job to correct someone. that should be the job of their brothers and sisters they know well (we disciple those close to us. not strangers we do not even know)

I am back at work. Had a great week. Took the day yesterday to relax.

God bless

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I think many Calvinists are called Hyper.

I have been called a calvinist. a hyper calvinist. a 3 point calvinist.. I think about the whole spectrum..lol

I think people just like to throw names out there.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I would think so, since Christ’s sacrifice was Propitiatory.

what do we do with this?

1 John 2:2
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Ours would be the elect. those who are born again, saved by Grace.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Well that’s not true at all.

Yes we are at the same time, both saint and sinner.

Simul iustus et peccator

How could we be a saint when we are dead in sin. An enemy of God. A sinner by practice and choice. and alienated from God?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Good grief! Do you really think such a thing?

Have you ever read the OT?

Did he not beg Israel to repent.

Did he not say it gives him no pleasre in the death of the wicked?

Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’

Turn turn.. is he not pleading for Israel to repent?

 

[Arial]

what do we do with this?

1 John 2:2
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Ours would be the elect. those who are born again, saved by Grace.

This is what we would do with it since there is no propitiation for the non-elect. The whole world is all nations and types of people in the world but not all people without exception. And, no matter where one is in the world there is no propitiation by any other that Christ and him crucified. There is only one Savior and only one way of salvation. By grace through faith, both of which are gifts from God---not offered, for it no where says that, but given to a heart he regenerates.

Romans 10:6-10 But the righteousness based on faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'"(that is, to bring Christ down) "or 'Who will descend into the abyss?"' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth on confesses and is saved.

We do not believe (have faith) from our will or our minds, but from our hearts. (And that does not mean that our minds are not involved or have taken a vacation and that this faith is blind. It is revealed to a changed heart.)

Who alone can change a heart from its hard and stony natural condition in Adam? Who alone can write his laws on that heart instead of stone tablets? Who alone can take hold of a heart that is at enmity with him and turn it 180 degrees to love him and repent? What would this be called? A regeneration of course. A new birth. Our faith exists because of this new heart, and a new heart is changed and by its new nature, is accepting of the gift of salvation. It could not do otherwise.

 

[Arial]

I am puzzled at why anyone would have such a view of God that they would consider his commands and demand of obedience followed by an "or else" announcing the coming judgment of disobedience, as a God who begs.

 

[Arial]

4. When you get into someone's email. and instead of asking. Why did you do this, or did you really mean this. but come out and literally call you out for doing something you did not even do. well this is why I Got mad before. You want to discuss the word with me. feel free.

No one but staff has your email unless you give it to them. And if staff has emailed you (and I have not and cannot speak for anyone else) then it is not "getting into your email". It is freely given by you when you joined the forum. If any staff has emailed you, it would not be for the purpose of "pushing" you, or calling you out for something you did not do. My best guess, if staff did email you, that it was for the purpose of guidance and help. It is disingenuous of you to slam the door in their face so to speak, and then openly proclaim it to be hate and a misrepresentation of your position. No one has the tools to evaluate the truthfulness or untruthfulness, of that statement.

Unless, of course , "email" is a euphemism for "DM" in order to publicly get around the fact that DM's are to remain private, and at the same time make a whole lot of false accusations behind the persons back, instead of dealing with the situation as it should be dealt with. That would be with the person and not in a public rant against them, even if you do keep it "anonymous". It is still against a person.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I think we have gotten off topic. I would like to thank you for your concern however. God bless you

As for your comment. I would say the answer is no.

1. You don't push people. that is how this conversation started to begin with. Because I did not want to push. and a brother did not want to push. I learned along time ago. when you push push push. You usually get a hand in the face, especially when you prove you are not listening to what the other person is saying
2. When someone asks you to stop conversing. because you are at odds. and nothing good can come from it. again, you do not keep pushing. Doing this is selfish and stops being, "I care for you, it starts to be I care about getting my point across. and you will listen to me." at least that is how it comes across to the one being pushed.
3. When someone tells you numerous time they do not believe something. and you continually attack them as if they believe something, again you have lost any sense of credibility
4. When you get into someone's email. and instead of asking. Why did you do this, or did you really mean this. but come out and literally call you out for doing something you did not even do. well this is why I Got mad before. You want to discuss the word with me. feel free.

You want to attack me. Continue to try to correct me as if I did something wrong. Good day

1. This is why I got mad last time (I am getting a little angry now just thinking about it, I also had to go back to the email to make sure I got my facts straight)
2. If I did need help, if I did need corrected. this person would be the last person I would listen to.

anyway, again this is getting off topic. I used this experience as a reason there are times when we just walk away. Because nothing good can come from continuing on a particular conversation when two parties have made up their mind. I have also tried to keep the persons in question anonymous, its not my job to correct someone. that should be the job of their brothers and sisters they know well (we disciple those close to us. not strangers we do not even know)

I am back at work. Had a great week. Took the day yesterday to relax.

God bless

While I appreciate that you're upset and I'm sorry to hear it however, I have been on this website since January or February I think and @fastfredy0 has never once said anything to me in direct messages, nor really much to me on the forum at all.

I think he's likely just the quiet type, but he seems personable enough, if you can understand his humor - from my impression thus far.

What you're saying amounts to gossip which is sin, and is not something I can partake in.

Maybe your right and the man's nuts (in which case a staff action might be in order) or something, but maybe you're just slandering a brother in Christ - how should I know?

Either way, no problem on not wanting to be pushed, but if your being pushed because you're speaking about Gods Word on open forums, people of many stripes will push back on your theological positions.

This is clearly dragging me into personal nonsense though, so I'm out of it.

Again, I am sorry your distressed, the Gospel of Salvation is a beautiful message.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

While I appreciate that you're upset and I'm sorry to hear it however, I have been on this website since January or February I think and @fastfredy0 has never once said anything to me in direct messages, nor really much to me on the forum at all

I think he's likely just the quiet type, but he seems personable enough, if you can understand his humor - from my impression thus far.

please note we are not talking about @fastfredy0

That started the conversation because @fastfredy0 and myself agreed to disagree about an issue. and it seems it was frowned on. So i explained sometimes you have to.

the other person I just used as an excuse to why it is more practical to agree to disagree.

Please please forgive me for not making this clear. to

What you're saying amounts to gossip which is sin, and is not something I can partake in.

Which is why I dod not mention any names or direct it to anyone. Again, It was just used as an example of what not to do. and why sometimes we need to agree to disagree.

Maybe your right and the man's nuts (in which case a staff action might be in order) or something, but maybe you're just slandering a brother in Christ - how should I know?

Either way, no problem on not wanting to be pushed, but if your being pushed because you're speaking about Gods Word on open forums, people of many stripes will push back on your theological positions.

yes.. Thats again why we need to be humble. and not proud

If I push my theology on a person here. And they have asked me to stop. I need to stop.

This is clearly dragging me into personal nonsense though, so I'm out of it.

Again, I am sorry your distressed, the Gospel of Salvation is a beautiful message.

Amen and amen.. It is a glorious message of salvation and the mercy and love of a great God.