Christ, the true Israel. A problem for dispensationalists.

[Carbon]

https://christcentered.community.forum/members/crazycalvinistuncle.22/

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Who is that guy? he looks just like you.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

I'm not here to be the pet "Dispy" or too debate. Done that. Got upset. Know that no-one here actually *cares* about the differences and what is actually being taught in this day and age. I don't particularly blame anyone. It's not easy by any stretch.

One thing I do know, however, as a former "covenantalist" and by default Amil-eeeeeeeeee ( Ha! ) is that God can make you care.

So you can reach out to Ian ( again his site is linked in my status ) and have as much "debate" as you two agree too. It may be that he has time or he has someone else you can have fun with. But I will warn you not too actually engage unless you want to run through what you believe with a very very fine tooth comb.

Grace and peace, brother.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Who is that guy? he looks just like you.

The picture is of Rush Limbaugh

 

[Carbon]

I'm not here to be the pet "Dispy" or too debate. Done that. Got upset. Know that no-one here actually *cares* about the differences and what is actually being taught in this day and age. I don't particularly blame anyone. It's not easy by any stretch.

One thing I do know, however, as a former "covenantalist" and by default Amil-eeeeeeeeee ( Ha! ) is that God can make you care.

So you can reach out to Ian ( again his site is linked in my status ) and have as much "debate" as you two agree too. It may be that he has time or he has someone else you can have fun with. But I will warn you not too actually engage unless you want to run through what you believe with a very very fine tooth comb.

Grace and peace, brother.

I have news for ya brother. Your bud lan aint the only one who knows Eschatology. I've debated this before myself and those whom I debated with that were dipsys online and off, many had no idea what their system even taught.

Thanks for the referral, but I'm not interested. And I don't want anyone to feel pressured to debate it here on this forum.

 

[Carbon]

But I will warn you not too actually engage unless you want to run through what you believe with a very very fine tooth comb.

That would be the least of my worries actually.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

I have news for ya brother. Your bud lan aint the only one who knows Eschatology. I've debated this before myself and those whom I debated with that were dipsys online and off, many had no idea what their system even taught.

Thanks for the referral, but I'm not interested. And I don't want anyone to feel pressured to debate it here on this forum.

Oh no, brother. You ASKED for debate. Either talk with the guy or don't but you asked for it. This entire diatribe/post is one long bait too debate.

And I'm glad you have done so ( debated ) but Ian isn't my "Bud". So have I but that's not my purpose here. He's one of the most gifted apologists for Dispensational thinking I've run across and he is, obviously, open to talking about it. And I don't know any Dipsys...that sounds painful.

 

[Carbon]

Then don't run about posting walls of text demanding answers or assuming "victory" of some sort. It brings about actual responses too the challenge.

Hey, if you don't want to answer, don't. I'm sorry it's a sore spot for you.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Hey, if you don't want to answer, don't. I'm sorry it's a sore spot for you.

It's not a sore spot. You are asking for debate and then saying you aren't. And then running victory laps. None of the stuff you have posted here is an actual "problem" to someone who "debates" this on a regular basis. That gets me a little irritable.

So if you want actual answers ( which you don't...otherwise you would jump at the chance ) then you would seek such debate out. Maybe link it here with all the responses. Hey...you have a debate section waaaaay down there at the bottom of this site. Feel free.

 

[Carbon]

It's not a sore spot. You are asking for debate and then saying you aren't. And then running victory laps. None of the stuff you have posted here is an actual "problem" to someone who "debates" this on a regular basis. That gets me a little irritable.

So if you want actual answers ( which you don't...otherwise you would jump at the chance ) then you would seek such debate out. Maybe link it here with all the responses. Hey...you have a debate section waaaaay down there at the bottom of this site. Feel free.

I think you need to relax. If you don't want to discuss it or don't want to debate it, that's fine.
Didnt, mean to ruffle your feathers.

get over it.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

I think you need to relax. If you don't want to discuss it or don't want to debate it, that's fine.
Didnt, mean to ruffle your feathers.

get over it.

I really hope you aren't married. That "get over it" is the exact opposite of "relax". To any red blooded male it's exactly like telling a woman to "calm down" in an arguement

I've said my piece...I'll allow you to have the last word. See how this works?

Seriously though, Carbon...no harm done. Hope the same for you.

Peace out

 

[civic]

Oh no, brother. You ASKED for debate. Either talk with the guy or don't but you asked for it. This entire diatribe/post is one long bait too debate.

And I'm glad you have done so ( debated ) but Ian isn't my "Bud". So have I but that's not my purpose here. He's one of the most gifted apologists for Dispensational thinking I've run across and he is, obviously, open to talking about it. And I don't know any Dipsys...that sounds painful.

I'm a dispensationalist but I have bigger fish to fry like those who want to debate the big stuff like the Trinity , Deity of Christ, the Resurrection, the essentials, not the small stuff

I don't sweat the small stuff like eschatology.

 

[Carbon]

I'm a dispensationalist but I have bigger fish to fry like those who want to debate the big stuff like the Trinity , Deity of Christ, the Resurrection, the essentials, not the small stuff

I don't sweat the small stuff like eschatology.

@CrazyCalvinistUncle
I don’t know what the problem is then. There are many other threads and members. If this thread bothers you guys so much and is so unimportant they why continue staying here creating issues?

It’s an easy fix.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

@CrazyCalvinistUncle
I don’t know what the problem is then. There are many other threads and members. If this thread bothers you guys so much and is so unimportant they why continue staying here creating issues?

It’s an easy fix.

It bothers me because it's only your side of the story and understanding so just letting it sit out there in full view without some sort of response is irritating. Then there is the interaction. I didn't start this brother.

Now, like any other humans, our pride stepped into full view. Not a good look for either of us but neither of us wants to be seen as "wrong" on a subject we are passionate about. We *could* have taken it private at any point. But nooooo...

I didn't know you were dispensationalist, Civic. Good to know.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

I'm a dispensationalist but I have bigger fish to fry like those who want to debate the big stuff like the Trinity , Deity of Christ, the Resurrection, the essentials, not the small stuff

I don't sweat the small stuff like eschatology.

I get it...but fully ~25% of the book is prophecy. I don't know about you but I'm not willing to rip 1/4 of my Bible out simply to play along sometimes.

I've stated before that Dispensationalism is concerned with a very narrow band of theology. Primarily Eschatology and Ecclesiology. All the rest of the 'ologies we are no, or little, different than every other stream. So, like you, I tend to focus on other areas. Not because they are more "important" but because it's unlikely that I'm going to change minds. Changed minds require a move of God in our sphere. But I can, on occasion, step in when common misrepresentation or assumption occurs. Not to argue but to present resources.

But then my ego and pride steps in. And...well...you see the result here.

 

[civic]

@CrazyCalvinistUncle
I don’t know what the problem is then. There are many other threads and members. If this thread bothers you guys so much and is so unimportant they why continue staying here creating issues?

It’s an easy fix.

It doesn’t bother me at all about anyone’s eschatology, it’s not salvific hence there it liberty . In essentials unity , non essentials liberty, in all things charity .

 

[civic]

I get it...but fully ~25% of the book is prophecy. I don't know about you but I'm not willing to rip 1/4 of my Bible out simply to play along sometimes.

I've stated before that Dispensationalism is concerned with a very narrow band of theology. Primarily Eschatology and Ecclesiology. All the rest of the 'ologies we are no, or little, different than every other stream. So, like you, I tend to focus on other areas. Not because they are more "important" but because it's unlikely that I'm going to change minds. Changed minds require a move of God in our sphere. But I can, on occasion, step in when common misrepresentation or assumption occurs. Not to argue but to present resources.

But then my ego and pride steps in. And...well...you see the result here.

The problem is not the prophecy it’s the spiritualizing of the fulfillments that were literal . Many are still future and scripture never stated they were fulfilled like with the 70ad false interpretations. Revelation was written after 70ad. They must even change the date of its writing to make their eschatology fit. There are so many errors within the amil system . It’s why I am so reject Covenant theology for the spiritualizing of similar texts concerning Israel. I Believe exactly like MacArthur that way. I use to debate it up through around 2015 on the old carm forums.

 

[Carbon]

The problem is not the prophecy it’s the spiritualizing of the fulfillments that were literal . Many are still future and scripture never stated they were fulfilled like with the 70ad false interpretations. Revelation was written after 70ad. They must even change the date of its writing to make their eschatology fit. There are so many errors within the amil system . It’s why I am so reject Covenant theology for the spiritualizing of similar texts concerning Israel. I Believe exactly like MacArthur that way. I use to debate it up through around 2015 on the old carm forums.

See, here is what I find interesteing. For someone who does not really care about a non-salvational issue. You really express your feelings. Feeling about spiritualizing, false interpretations dates and whathave. Which are wrong by the way.
But you wont discuss it. That says alot.

 

[civic]

See, here is what I find interesteing. For someone who does not really care about a non-salvational issue. You really express your feelings. Feeling about spiritualizing, false interpretations dates and whathave. Which are wrong by the way.
But you wont discuss it. That says alot.

I'll discuss it for kicks . I even started a new thread.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

The problem is not the prophecy it’s the spiritualizing of the fulfillments that were literal . Many are still future and scripture never stated they were fulfilled like with the 70ad false interpretations. Revelation was written after 70ad. They must even change the date of its writing to make their eschatology fit. There are so many errors within the amil system . It’s why I am so reject Covenant theology for the spiritualizing of similar texts concerning Israel. I Believe exactly like MacArthur that way. I use to debate it up through around 2015 on the old carm forums.

Got it. Tuned in. Rger that.

 

[Eleanor]

I'm not pushing any eschatology right now that is irrelevant at this point. All I'm asking for are the sciptures that Call Him the TRUE- son, servant and Israel of God.

I don't think that is asking to much for you to show me the scriptures for your belief on this topic. You brought it up not me so all I was doing is asking for biblical proof.

And imho there is nothing wrong with me asking you to provide the scriptures. If this was reversed I would provide the scriptures if you were asking me to give them. just sayin.

Strawman.

Is there any conclusion other than Jesus was a true son, true servant and true Israel?

Scripture doesn't state Jesus had a nose, but it does state he breathed on the apostles.
What do you conclude from that regarding a nose?

And the church is suffering because of it.