By Nature Children of Wrath as others !

[Josheb]

False, God created two sets of people, one set for wrath and destruction for sin, the other set for mercy and Glory from sin

According to Genesis 1:31 that is incorrect.

Notice one of the other mistakes you've made (multiple times) is that you've taken verses about circumstances and events that occurred after creation and assumed they applied at creation. Which is one of the reasons I have asked the question I've asked.


When God created the heavens and the earth was everything He made good?


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[brightfame52]

See even though the Elect will experience another nature via the New Birth, which will grant unto them Faith and Repentance and other fruit of the Spirit unto good works, Yet this new nature wasnt necessary to legally justify them or acquit them from Gods Wrath, that was accomplished solely by the merits of Christs obedience unto death on their behalf Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Having suffered, he will reflect on his work, he will be satisfied when he understands what he has done. “My servant will acquit many, for he carried their sins. NET

Thats why its declared He acuits/justifies the ungodly Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

 

[brightfame52]

According to Genesis 1:31 that is incorrect.

No its not

 

[Josheb]

See even though the Elect will experience another nature via the New Birth, which will grant unto them Faith and Repentance and other fruit of the Spirit unto good works, Yet this new nature wasnt necessary to legally justify them or acquit them from Gods Wrath, that was accomplished solely by the merits of Christs obedience unto death on their behalf Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Having suffered, he will reflect on his work, he will be satisfied when he understands what he has done. “My servant will acquit many, for he carried their sins. NET

Thats why its declared He acuits/justifies the ungodly Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Relevance?

I thought the op was about whether or not the elect were ever being objects of wrath.

 

[Josheb]

No its not

Well, let's take a look at what the verse explicitly states so this disagreement can be resolved.

Genesis 1:31 Hebrew Transliteration
And saw God everything that He had made and indeed [it was] good very and there was morning day the sixth.

Genesis 1:31 NAS
And God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Genesis 1:31 KJV
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 1:31 ESV
And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Genesis 1:31 LSV
And God sees all that He has done, and behold, [it is] very good; and there is an evening, and there is a morning—the sixth day.

Genesis 1:31 YLT
And God seeth all that He hath done, and lo, very good; and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day the sixth.

Genesis 1:31 NIV
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Genesis 1:31 NLT
Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good! And evening passed and morning came, marking the sixth day.


The verse explicitly states everything God made was good.

Is that what the verse states, or not?

 

[brightfame52]

Relevance?

I thought the op was about whether or not the elect were ever being objects of wrath.

What you mean relevance ? Think through it

 

[brightfame52]

Well, let's take a look at what the verse explicitly states so this disagreement can be resolved.

Okay, everything was very good, relevance

 

[Josheb]

What you mean relevance ? Think through it

No. You think it through. If "the Elect will experience another nature via the New Birth," that means they had a different nature prior to the new birth. The only two options are 1) good nature, and 2) bad nature. If the new birth nature is good, then that means the pre-birth nature is not good. Either that or there are two types of good and if that is what you are asserting - if you are claiming there are two versions of good - then the onus is on you to prove that position.

Will you please address Post 25? Does Genesis 1:31 state everything God made was good, or not?

 

[brightfame52]

No. You think it through

I have already

 

[Josheb]

I have already

No, you have not. A position that contains multiple contradictions and multiple examples of misused scripture and multiple logical fallacies in its defense is not something that has been thought through.

Will you please answer the question asked in Post 25? Does Genesis 1:31 state everything God made was good, or not?