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Blasphemy

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Why does blasphemy make me sick, upset, etc etc? (Makes my heart hurt, makes me feel nauseous, makes me want to cry)

This doesn't seem like it's normal for most people, am I broken?

Most people don't seem like it's any important thing to their heart or... I don't know.

The longer I'm saved the more I feel it, not the less.
 
I look at blasphemy as something I can identify, and certainly don't like to hear it or see it. But I don't trouble myself over it. It is to be expected in a world of fallen man.

Blasphemy is against God and Christ. And if He puts up with it for a time, then so can I.

No blasphemy, or sin, spoken or done, takes anything away from God. He remains always Who He is. It just makes one guilty of blasphemy and a candidate for destruction.

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Why does blasphemy make me sick, upset, etc etc? (Makes my heart hurt, makes me feel nauseous, makes me want to cry)

This doesn't seem like it's normal for most people, am I broken?

Most people don't seem like it's any important thing to their heart or... I don't know.

The longer I'm saved the more I feel it, not the less.
It makes me very, very angry! And it should. It should also sicken us as it does you.
 
It makes me very, very angry! And it should. It should also sicken us as it does you.

Your opinion?

So, are you angry at God for bearing it? Should God consult you for bearing it...to see if that was alright?

Blasphemy is not against you. It is against God. Don't you think God can take care of Himself?

My opinion is that you take too much on yourself. As though balsphemy is against you. But, that is just my opinion.

It does raise the question: if God is willing to bear it, who are you?

Again, my opinion?

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Blasphemy is not against you. It is against God. Don't you think God can take care of Himself?

The Holy Spirit is inside us. We are not alone in here when we are saved, we are indwelt by God's Spirit.

I just needed to know whether this feeling was my flesh from my past or whether this is the Holy Spirit.

I got my answer from 2. It's a normal feeling from the Spirit of God.
 
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The Holy Spirit is inside us. We are not alone in here when we are saved, we are indwelt by God's Spirit.

Everything God feels we feel and everything we feel God feels.

Really?...everything God feels we feel? I doubt that. Are you symbolically God?

Blasphemy is against God and Christ...not you or me.

You don't have to like it. But it is not directed at you. It is directed at God and Christ.

God is more than willing to bear it. It doesn't affect Him. For some reason it affects you and others. Why? Perhaps it is because you are really offended because it's against your belief.

Don't take it personally. It's agaisnt God and Christ. Not you.

My opinion.

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Really?...everything God feels we feel? I doubt that. Are you symbolically God?

Blasphemy is against God and Christ...not you or me.

You don't have to like it. But it is not directed at you. It is directed at God and Christ.

God is more than willing to bear it. It doesn't affect Him. For some reason it affects you and others. Why? Perhaps it is because you are really offended because it's against your belief.

Don't take it personally. It's agaisnt God and Christ. Not you.

My opinion.

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Can't you feel God since you have been saved?
 
Can't you feel God since you have been saved?

You're centering on the word 'feel'.

Yes, I am aware of God's presence in my life since I have been saved. Does it affect my 'feelings', of course. As I said, you don't have to like it...blashpemy against God.

But look at it as God looks at it. It's not against you. It's against Him. And it takes nothing away from Him. And He is not worried about it. He will get it all straigntened out in His time. And if He is not worried about it, then why should your feelings be otherwise?

To take it 'personally' means you are not actually feeling as God. You are 'yourself' offended. It is an offense to you, not God.

My opinion.

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Thanks for the response. It was something I have been wondering about lately..

It's good to know I'm not broken!
Disclaimer: I do not hold to duality of Good vs Evil. I am only referring here to the antithesis of Good, which is Evil.

I relate blasphemy, to the devil and his false teachers, and to EVIL. Have you ever seen the horror felt by a mother seeing her child on the tracks as the train bears down on it? But when the train strikes the child, the life leaves that mother, though the body continues senseless.

The horror, even what some call cosmic treachery, of the attempted negation of the very source of existence, is not a small thing. This is the one thing God cannot abide, (yet, for now, temporally, he waits, for our sake). It is a horror beyond the ability of innocence to stomach. It is creepy, feels viscous like the night terrors where you can barely move to flee a horror pursuing you.

Some believers think there is no such thing as demons nowadays, others attribute every bad thing to demons, but neither seems to understand the horror that is demonic evil. Maybe the best way to put it is to try to describe what the evil angels will be, in the end, and what the reprobate will be, bereft of any of God's graces in them. Inky, greasy, slimy, hopeless, the power of choking darkness, wraiths closing in around and penetrating what you thought was your perimeter. No consideration for your dignity or personhood —in fact, hating it— yet when in disguise appealing to that very thing, seducing you to its slavery. Trying to turn you into what it is.

Those who have been directly exposed to it in demonic form, can't begin to tell you the 'attack' of death upon them, the smell, the feel of death.

I've even found a certain amount of truth, (by experience and by scripture's statements about the nature of God), to the notion that in every way that God is "person", or personality, and is beauty and virtue, purity, force of purpose (and so we too are possessing of personhood); that antithesis of goodness and life, is sin which is death, that evil is a cold pervasive extinguishing of life. And it is irresistible, but for the power and grace of God.

THIS is only part of the reason blasphemy makes you sick. Love for God, love designed and built by God, is also a huge part of why it makes you sick, and blasphemy relates to that love by antithesis.
 
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Why does blasphemy make me sick, upset, etc etc? (Makes my heart hurt, makes me feel nauseous, makes me want to cry)

This doesn't seem like it's normal for most people, am I broken?

Most people don't seem like it's any important thing to their heart or... I don't know.

The longer I'm saved the more I feel it, not the less.

You are not broken. What you're experiencing is a sign of spiritual sensitivity and a love for God that has deepened over time. The more that you grow in faith, the more your heart aligns with what honors or dishonors God. This is not a defect, it's evidence that your heart is being conformed to the image of the Son.

Blasphemy cuts deep, especially when it is casual or indifferent, because it misrepresents the one you love most. If someone spoke abusively about your husband, you wouldn’t just shrug it off as unimportant. How much more when people profane the name of the Lord? The fact that many people don’t feel this way doesn’t indicate something wrong with you, but rather something wrong with them and their uncircumcised hearts.

The fact that this feeling has increased over time makes sense. Spiritual growth often involves a sharpening of our awareness of sin—never a dulling thereof. This isn't a sign of brokenness but of increasing holiness.

The challenge is learning how to handle this grief rightly. Allowing it to drive you to prayer, intercession, and a deeper trust in God's justice is more fruitful than allowing it to weigh you down.
 
Your opinion?
Of course it is my opinion. Does that automatically make it wrong in your judgement?
So, are you angry at God for bearing it? Should God consult you for bearing it...to see if that was alright?
You always read yourself into what I say. When did I ever mention being angry at God for anything. I am angry at him being blasphemed and if it is something you can just shrug off, it makes me wonder. Why do you always post in such a contentious and argumentative way----to your brothers and sisters in Christ? You do know it is against the rules, the forum rules and God's don't you?
Blasphemy is not against you. It is against God. Don't you think God can take care of Himself?
It isn't a matter of whether or not God can take care of it himself. He can and will. It is about as his child, I hate blasphemy against him. I do. Don't you? Are you without feelings and emotions? Last I checked, God gave them to us.
God is more than willing to bear it. It doesn't affect Him.
Is that right? In my Bible I see instances where he struck people dead on the spot for it. He says we will answer for every careless word we speak. He says "You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain."
For some reason it affects you and others. Why?
Maybe its because our relationship with our Father is as a Father, and not some cold rigid impersonal relationship. Would it bother you if someone spoke slanderous and evil words against your natural father? Or would you shrug that off too, as not your problem.
My opinion is that you take too much on yourself. As though balsphemy is against you
What an obnoxious thing to say. Also absurd. Also against the rules for which you will receive a warning deduction. Learn to play well with others!!!!! Don't be a bully!!!
It does raise the question: if God is willing to bear it, who are you?
It doesn't raise that question at all. You raise that question just to provoke an argument. I doubt it crossed anyone else's mind and neither did anything anyone else has said.
 
To take it 'personally' means you are not actually feeling as God. You are 'yourself' offended. It is an offense to you, not God.
We are ourselves. We find blaspheming God offensive and recognize how offensive it is. We do not feel as though we have been blasphemed and you would do well to quit reading that into it and even better to stop posting it as though it were a fact. It might also be a good thing if you too were to feel bothered by God being blasphemed.
 
Allowing it to drive you to prayer, intercession, and a deeper trust in God's justice is more fruitful

hey, that sounds good... I'll do that!

I've felt lost about it, this gives a positive direction. And thank you so much for your explanation .. that's actually very helpful towards understanding.
 
But look at it as God looks at it. It's not against you. It's against Him.

Psalm 69:9 כִּ֤י קִנְאַת֨ בֵּיתְךָ֖ אֲכָלָ֑תְנִי וְחֶרְפ֥וֹת חוֹרְפֶ֗יךָ נָ֫פְל֥וּ עָלָֽי ("My passion for your dwelling and worship utterly consumes me; I personally feel the insults aimed at you.")

(Note: Just because this passage is fulfilled in Christ does not mean David didn't experience it in his own time. It was first a personal lament by David. Many messianic prophecies and foreshadowings in the OT have both an immediate historical context (e.g., David's experience) and a greater fulfillment in Christ.)
 
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Psalm 69:9 כִּ֤י קִנְאַת֨ בֵּיתְךָ֖ אֲכָלָ֑תְנִי וְחֶרְפ֥וֹת חוֹרְפֶ֗יךָ נָ֫פְל֥וּ עָלָֽי ("My passion for your dwelling and worship utterly consumes me; I personally feel the insults aimed at you.")

(Note: Just because this passage is fulfilled in Christ does not mean David didn't experience it in his own time. It was first a personal lament by David. Many messianic prophecies and foreshadowings in the OT have both an immediate historical context (e.g., David's experience) and a greater fulfillment in Christ.)

(Ps. 69:7-9) "Because for thy sake I have borne reproach: shame hath covered my face. I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children. For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me."

(Ps. 69:12) "They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the song of the drunkards."

David is himself being attacked by the enemies of the LORD. That is not the same as blasphemy against God as described in the opening post.

(Ps. 69:14) "Deliver me out of the mire, and let me not sink: let me be delivered from them that hate me, and out of the deep waters."

(Ps. 69:24-26) "Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them. Let their habitation be desloate; and let none dwell in their tents. For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten...."

Those that hated God were persecuting David just like they would Jesus later. Persecution sheds a different light on the subject then just blasphemy against God.

The proper response against hearing blasphemy against God, is not to be hurt and nauseous, and to cry as described in the opening post. The proper response is to hate those who are the enemies of God and who do blaspheme.

(Ps. 139:19-22) "Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

My opinion.

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We are ourselves. We find blaspheming God offensive and recognize how offensive it is. We do not feel as though we have been blasphemed and you would do well to quit reading that into it and even better to stop posting it as though it were a fact. It might also be a good thing if you too were to feel bothered by God being blasphemed.

I believe I noted that that was my 'opinion'. Which for some reason if I do not write, you get upset. But though I did write it as my opinion, you still get upset.

In post #(5) you never stated it was your 'opinion'. You spoke as though what you said was 'factual'. Which is why I asked in post #(6) If that was your opinion. To which you respond 'of course it is my opinion'.

With all due respect, you use the phrase 'as though it were fact' pretty losely. In other words, if you vehemently disagree with what someone may say, that phrase is likely to come up.

I said in post #(4) that I don't like to hear or see blasphemy. But one must remember that it is against God. And, that it takes nothing away from God. God is willing at this time to bear it, and He bears a whole lot more then what you or I hear.

My opinion.
 
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