Bible predictions about Noahs Ark...are true.

[Frank Robert]

There are several answers to this question...but of course what has been force fed students in schools is the only correct answer.

Subjects is taught in public schools are based on general knowledge. Since religions and their denominations have numerous different beliefs of in creation, evolution, origins, etc how would be impossible to select an impartial curriculum that satisfy everyone's' religious preferences.

Check out Florida for today's real time exposition of what happens when schools attempt to force feeding their students.

 

[CrowCross]

Subjects is taught in public schools are based on general knowledge. Since religions and their denominations have numerous different beliefs of in creation, evolution, origins, etc how would be impossible to select an impartial curriculum that satisfy everyone's' religious preferences.

Check out Florida for today's real time exposition of what happens when schools attempt to force feeding their students.

Even "mainstream science" has many differences. Do they teach them all?

 

[TibiasDad]

Well, I'm not here to argue the physics of the speed of light...basically what I have said is that the speed of light "problem" ...isn't really a problem.
If you want to use some unsettled theory to justify an old earth...drawn from astrophysics rather than geology...go for it.

First, I’ve never said the speed of light is a problem, unless you mean for the YEC; I am, in that case, saying that, though I said it more in the sense of why I have rejected the YEC position.

The speed of light is a foundational constant that has anchored our understanding of physics an understanding on which so much of our technology is derived and functions.

There is nothing unsettled about the speed of light, and it is no longer a theory, but established a demonstrable fact.

Astrophysics and Geology cannot disagree with each other. The speed of light demonstrates the age of the universe indisputably. The Heavens declare the Glory of God, and the physical nature of the elements within the universe are just as much a truthful voice of God as revealed truth of the Bible. And as I have referenced Psalms 19 above, it is the special revelation of scripture that establishes the truthfulness of the information of natural revelation about God!


Doug

 

[CrowCross]

First, I’ve never said the speed of light is a problem, unless you mean for the YEC; I am, in that case, saying that, though I said it more in the sense of why I have rejected the YEC position.

The speed of light is a foundational constant that has anchored our understanding of physics an understanding on which so much of our technology is derived and functions.

There is nothing unsettled about the speed of light, and it is no longer a theory, but established a demonstrable fact.

Astrophysics and Geology cannot disagree with each other. The speed of light demonstrates the age of the universe indisputably. The Heavens declare the Glory of God, and the physical nature of the elements within the universe are just as much a truthful voice of God as revealed truth of the Bible. And as I have referenced Psalms 19 above, it is the special revelation of scripture that establishes the truthfulness of the information of natural revelation about God!


Doug

I get it....for you speed of light = old earth.

Not convincing...but if it works for you, go for it.

 

[TibiasDad]

I get it....for you speed of light = old earth.

Not convincing...but if it works for you, go for it.

Forgive my belaboring, CC, but what is your value for the speed of light? What is the error in calculating this factor of 186,000 mi/sec?

In order for YEC beliefs to be valid, the speed and/or nature of light must necessarily be very different.

Doug

 

[CrowCross]

Forgive my belaboring, CC, but what is your value for the speed of light? What is the error in calculating this factor of 186,000 mi/sec?

In order for YEC beliefs to be valid, the speed and/or nature of light must necessarily be very different.

Doug

In one of my previous post I mentioned how the speed of light may have changed or slowed down since the creation.
I also mentioned how the speed of light would be slower in a gravity well.

What you are doing is hanging your old earth had on the assumption that the speed of light has never changed.

You can visit this site by Barry Setterfield...and get an understanding.

This video by Dr. Russell Humphreys also gives some insight into another theory.

If you want to hang your Old Earth theology hat on your option...go for it.

 

[TibiasDad]

If you want to hang your Old Earth theology hat on your option...go for it.

I hang my hat on “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” That is the only peg that ultimately matters in this arena! Whether he took 144 hours, a 144 nanoseconds or 1.44 billion years doesn’t matter; it’s not time time of creation but the who of creation that matters. It’s not the means or methods of creation, but the fact that we are created that ultimately matters.


Doug

 

[Bob Carabbio]

One of the evidences that supports the YEC's view has been lifted from the bible.

If one reads an account in the bile...then goes looking for the remains of the account and finds it...the bible gains even more credence.

In the bible there is an account of a sea worhty vessel called Noahs Ark. People have read about it for several thousand years.
People have looked for it where the bible says it landed....Genesis 8:4 informs us that...the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

And it's NEVER been found, and all the "Stories" about finding it are phony.

 

[CrowCross]

And it's NEVER been found, and all the "Stories" about finding it are phony.

It seems as if they built a pretty good...."water tight" case for a large ship like structure being found on the mountain.
It's obvious with all the scans and stuff the "anomalies" isn't natural like the anti-ark crowd needs it to be.

 

[EarlyActs]

I don't understand the title of the OP: why is it about "predictions" and whose predictions?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

It seems as if they built a pretty good...."water tight" case for a large ship like structure being found on the mountain.
It's obvious with all the scans and stuff the "anomalies" isn't natural like the anti-ark crowd needs it to be.

The "find the ark" and have "Proof" every few years. No reason to believe this is any different.

 

[TibiasDad]

You can visit this site by Barry Setterfield...and get an understanding.

I have read this several times and am confused by several things, all of which are related to a main conundrum: This article affirms, as I have asserted, that the constant speed of light is a critical factor of all that Physics has established as reality for our physical realm and its function.

The author says,”On the basis of Einstein’s famous equation, energy and matter are interconvertible”; E-Mc2! The speed of light is a critical factor in the reality of energy.

It also assumes the Big Bang as true, which is historically a YEC anathema!

I have stated that light can be slowed by various factors, but the base speed has been proven to be a critical factor in all of physics. I don’t think this information tells me that the rate of speed is at its base velocity slowing in any significant or critical way, especially not enough to change the age of creation from 13.8 billion to 10,000, which is basis of my reasoning. Remember you have to bring things down 13 billion +years to establish a YEC maximum age. I’m not sure what the resulting math would look like after changing the speed from 186,000 mi/sec, but it doesn’t seem to be a very likely probability.


Doug

 

[CrowCross]

I don't understand the title of the OP: why is it about "predictions" and whose predictions?

The bible speaks of the Ark as a real vessel that saved Noah, his family and the animals from the flood waters that covers the entire earth.

The bible tells us a general location of where the Ark landed. The Mountains of Ararat. The precise location wasn't given.

....The prediction.....a boat like structure should be found some where in those mountains. The OP demonstrates that a large vessel like object that isn't natural...one which is very biblical Ark like has been discovered where it is said to have landed in the bible.

 

[CrowCross]

The "find the ark" and have "Proof" every few years. No reason to believe this is any different.

The penetrating scans show something unnatural is there. The Op and the links show that.

 

[EarlyActs]

The bible speaks of the Ark as a real vessel that saved Noah, his family and the animals from the flood waters that covers the entire earth.

The bible tells us a general location of where the Ark landed. The Mountains of Ararat. The precise location wasn't given.

....The prediction.....a boat like structure should be found some where in those mountains. The OP demonstrates that a large vessel like object that isn't natural...one which is very biblical Ark like has been discovered where it is said to have landed in the bible.

That's not a prediction. It is archeological discovery.

 

[CrowCross]

I have read this several times and am confused by several things, all of which are related to a main conundrum: This article affirms, as I have asserted, that the constant speed of light is a critical factor of all that Physics has established as reality for our physical realm and its function.

The author says,”On the basis of Einstein’s famous equation, energy and matter are interconvertible”; E-Mc2! The speed of light is a critical factor in the reality of energy.

It also assumes the Big Bang as true, which is historically a YEC anathema!

I have stated that light can be slowed by various factors, but the base speed has been proven to be a critical factor in all of physics. I don’t think this information tells me that the rate of speed is at its base velocity slowing in any significant or critical way, especially not enough to change the age of creation from 13.8 billion to 10,000, which is basis of my reasoning. Remember you have to bring things down 13 billion +years to establish a YEC maximum age. I’m not sure what the resulting math would look like after changing the speed from 186,000 mi/sec, but it doesn’t seem to be a very likely probability.


Doug

I don't really intend to go on and on with this subject. Several objection have been presented to you and you simply dismissed them as if what was force fed everyone in school is the truth...fact.

As to the Big Bang....did you know there are more stars in the universe than grains of sand on the beaches? I forget the estimated number but you can find it on the internet....something like 22 zeros.

How did all of that star stuff fit into a microscopic singularity? being a christian I believe you could say....God could have done it and you would be right....but Genesis doesn't say He created the universe that way.

 

[CrowCross]

That's not a prediction. It is archeological discovery.

The archeological discovery was where it was predicted to be.

Similar to when the bible mentions a long lost city and gives a general location...and they look and find the city where the bible says it should be.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The penetrating scans show something unnatural is there. The Op and the links show that.

Both of which are from folks that are trying to convince other folks that they've found something. Same 'ol, Same 'ol. Time will tell.

 

[TibiasDad]

I don't really intend to go on and on with this subject. Several objection have been presented to you and you simply dismissed them as if what was force fed everyone in school is the truth...fact.

I did not begin to change my thinking until I was well out of school, and none of what I now hold as true was ever taught or proposed as a possible truth.

I read a book by Hugh Ross entitled “Creation and Time”, and later and book by Fred Herin called “Show me God”, which was aimed towards witnessing to those of or in the midst of a secular education.

In fact, when a friend of mine first gave me the Hugh Ross, I was a YEC proponent and had never thought anything different.

As to the Big Bang....did you know there are more stars in the universe than grains of sand on the beaches? I forget the estimated number but you can find it on the internet....something like 22 zeros.

Why yes I did!

How did all of that star stuff fit into a microscopic singularity? being a christian I believe you could say....God could have done it and you would be right....

but Genesis doesn't say He created the universe that way.

How did God make man from the dust of the earth? The Bible doesn’t give us details about how dust became skin and tissue and bone. How did God make the mountains or water? We have no information about how he specifically made anything, so why should I expect anything about the universe, but again, the details are not the point of Genesis 1 & 2, but that God is the creator.


Doug

 

[CrowCross]

Both of which are from folks that are trying to convince other folks that they've found something. Same 'ol, Same 'ol. Time will tell.

I agree.....time will tell.

Images such as the following taken from the site go a long ways. The link in the OP explain the scan if you have any interest.