A Question for the Calvinist

[miss managed]

I like being spoon fed. Anyways, this statement gives your paradigm huge problems. You claim Jesus is not God, if not God, how could Jesus live before Abraham.

You can try to dismiss Jesus claiming to be "I AM". Which was a sin against God himself. He is taking Glory for himself that he is "I AM" before Abraham lived. This is why the Pharisees charged Him with blasphemy and wanted to kill him. Sorry, Miss-handled, but these Jews knew more than you do. Because this is precisely what Jesus was claiming, to be God.

Jesus' disciples and the crowd fell to the feet of Jesus and worshipped him. Sorry, miss-informed but don't understand what's going on here.​

The Pharisees believed Jesus was making himself EQUAL to God - NOT that he was God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Well Jesus always speaks 'from his human form' because he was 100% human. Can you show me how - in scripture - how, when, and where Jesus speaks from his 'god nature'. Of course, Jesus was speaking from his human form when he said the 'Father is greater'! He has no other FORM! Trinitarians use that line when Jesus' own words clearly debunk trinitarian co-equality!

Can you show me in scripture where Jesus speaks from his so called, 'divine nature'? You can't because Jesus was a fully human being empowered by angels and the holy spirits POWER! And no such scripture exist!

I believe Jesus was divine. He had a special measure of the holy spirit. Even so, at times, he needed the help and encouragement from angels to help him pull through.

Jesus Spirit was in direct communication with God was it not?

Jesus was the Son Of God.....His body was human....His Spirit was certainly not....there was NO sin in the Spirit of Jesus?...how could there be, when he was conceived by the Pure Spirit Of God into Mary womb?...just as the Bible says....just my thoughts....Jesus was God’s seed ...that seed was impregnated into Mary womb....a Living seed a Pure Holy seed, the seed of God grew in Mary womb...

In Luke 1:26-38, the angel Gabriel visits Mary and informs her of God's plan. He tells her, "You will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus." Mary's response to this announcement reveals her humble submission to God's will.

We were born to flesh parents...” sinners”.....then when Gods timing was right we became Born Again of His seed...which is His Living seed that is imperishable and incorruptible.....

Flesh gives birth to flesh = human birth.

Spirit gives birth to spirit = supernatural Living birth...

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◄ 1 Peter 1:23 ►​

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​ Audio​ New International Version For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. New Living Translation For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. English Standard Version since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; Berean Standard Bible For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. God is Alive and Active he is not a Bible.​

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[Ladodgers6]

Just think...

We are ONE inhabited planet in our solar system. Christians have come up with the absurdity that EARTH is the only planet in the universe with humans on it.

I believe that there are billions if not trillions of planets in our galaxy inhabited by humans. Can you imagine - a universe full of people like you...OUCH!

Funny, I like funny. I like this joke better, Aliens came to this planet looking for intelligent life, they found you and said we made a mistake.

 

[Ladodgers6]

The Pharisees believed Jesus was making himself EQUAL to God - NOT that he was God.

Is making oneself equal with God blasphemy? Is this a sin? You can dance all around this all you want. But the Pharisees knew exactly what Jesus was saying. So, they got it right that he was claiming to be God. The problem they fail to see, is that He is God, in the flesh. Dwelling among humans as Prophesied by the Prophets from the OT. And a Covenant of Grace that God made within the Triune Trinity to redeem His people from bondage.​

 

[Hazelelponi]

The Pharisees believed Jesus was making himself EQUAL to God - NOT that he was God.

Shema Yisra'el, Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai Echad.

 

[David Lamb]

The Pharisees believed Jesus was making himself EQUAL to God - NOT that he was God.

How exactly can He be equal to God without being God? God is unique:

“9 Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’ 11 Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man who executes My counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it.” (Isa 46:9-11 NKJV)

Remember also how, when the Jews complained at Jesus forgiving sins, saying, "Who can forgive sins but God alone?" The were correct, but wrong in not recognising Jesus Christ as fully God.

 

[miss managed]

How exactly can He be equal to God without being God? God is unique:

“9 Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’ 11 Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man who executes My counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it.” (Isa 46:9-11 NKJV)

Remember also how, when the Jews complained at Jesus forgiving sins, saying, "Who can forgive sins but God alone?" The were correct, but wrong in not recognising Jesus Christ as fully God.

We are told to forgive one another's sins.

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How exactly can He be equal to God without being God? God is unique:

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[David Lamb]

We are told to forgive one another's sins.

You have serious comprehension issues if you think like this....



Sure - Jesus was a duplicate.

Just like Trinity - you guys make zero sense.

But the subject wasn't forgiving those who have sinned against us, but Jesus forgave all the sins of the man who was lowered through the roof:

“4 And when they could not come near Him because of the crowd, they uncovered the roof where He was. So when they had broken through, they let down the bed on which the paralytic was lying. 5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.” 6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, 7 “Why does this [Man] speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”” (Mr 2:4-7 NKJV)

Jesus is not a duplicate. He is uniquely fully God and fully man.

 

[Arial]

We are told to forgive one another's sins.

When we forgive one another's sins, that does not forgive them in God's sight.

 

[Arial]

I know - and they all belong to a false religion OUTSIDE of Christianity.

Jesus - I believe him. He said the Father is Greater.

The word firstborn...

Quote just ONE verse where FIRSTBORN implies ETERNAL! You can't do it because ONE doesn't exist!

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Through faith he kept the Passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, G4416 which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

In every instance where the word 'firstborn' is used, whether it's about the firstborn among the brethren, or the firstborn over all creation, or the firstborn from among the dead, or the firstborn into the world - or anything else - it always implies a beginning! NOT ONCE does it imply ETERNAL. The Textus Receptus uses the terminology, "BEFORE-most-BROUGHT-FORTH.

Uhh Miss.
The Trinity doctrine does not deny that Jesus is Mary's first born son. Nor does it deny that the incarnation was a beginning----just not the beginning of the Son. But take note of the OP title. And the question. And who the question is for, and stop turning every thread you post in, into a thread about the Trinity. That also is a violation of the rules.

 

[Arial]

I AM simply means Jesus existed before Moses.

Well he says before Abraham. But if he didn't exist until he was born of Mary, which is what the unbelieving Jews thought, where was he and who was he when he was there? He actually tells us in John 17:4-5 I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

[Arial]

Just think...

We are ONE inhabited planet in our solar system. Christians have come up with the absurdity that EARTH is the only planet in the universe with humans on it.

MOD HAT: Get back on topic. Address the posts instead of changing the subject!!!

 

[Eleanor]

A thought came to me, reading that last line. Here we are, all day every day, encumbered or imposed upon by our "old man" fallen nature, still there. WE have a dual nature! Why should it be impossible with Christ to have a dual nature? Certainly it is not the same as ours, as he was without sin, but why the reticence and even antagonism the anti-Trinitarians show?

AMEN!

Nature is being used in two different senses there:
1) species (human, divine) -- Christ
2) innate character (sinful, sinless) -- man, Christ

 

[Eleanor]

What is Righteousness? Please explain in detail.

Righteousness is the character or quality of being "rightwise" (right or just). It is
an attribute of God (faithfulness, truthfulness),
right relationship with God,
whatever conforms to the revealed will of God, whatever is right or just in itself, all that God requires a man to be,
whatever has been appointed by God to be acknowledged and obeyed by man,
sum total of the requirements of God,
religious duties (almsgiving, duty to neighbor, prayer, duty to God, fasting, self-control)
righteousness of our God and Savior (righteous dealing of God with sin and sinners on the ground of Christ's death,)
righteousness of the gospel (declaring the righteousness of God in all its aspects).

That should be a good start.

 

[Eleanor]

Your buddies - the high-powered Trinitarians will tell you that Trinity is NOT explicit but implicit. You put it together by fabricating things from here and there.

Jesus shows these in relation to God, none of which are "fabricated:"
1) The Son is subject to the Father, for the Son is sent by the Faher in the Father's name (Jn 5:23, 36, 43).
2 The Spirit is subject to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (Jn 14:26).
3) The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (Jn 15:26, 16:7, 14:26, Ac 2:33).

Jesus shows three distinct persons, and one God:
the Son doing the will of the Father, and
the Spirit doing the will of the Father and the Son,
which distinct persons in the one God we call the Trinity.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Righteousness is the character or quality of being "rightwise" (right or just). It is
an attribute of God (faithfulness, truthfulness),
right relationship with God,
whatever conforms to the revealed will of God, whatever is right or just in itself, all that God requires a man to be,
whatever has been appointed by God to be acknowledged and obeyed by man,
sum total of the requirements of God,
religious duties (almsgiving, duty to neighbor, prayer, duty to God, fasting, self-control)
righteousness of our God and Savior (righteous dealing of God with sin and sinners on the ground of Christ's death,)
righteousness of the gospel (declaring the righteousness of God in all its aspects).

That should be a good start.

Thank you for that. Here's more definition of righteousness.

Righteousness is a concept that refers to moral uprightness, virtue, and doing what is right. It often implies adherence to a moral code, whether religious or ethical, and can be understood as living in accordance with what is considered just and good. In religious contexts, righteousness often refers to a state of moral purity that aligns with a divine standard or law.

So, when you say we need righteousness, and I say we need Christ's perfect Law-Keeping to enter heaven, and without this righteousness of Christ we will not enter heaven. Which circles back to what I have been saying. We need works to enter heaven. Which Christ provides freely in the Free Promise of the Gospel Good News for the ungodly.

I hope you agree with this.

 

[Ladodgers6]

The Pharisees believed Jesus was making himself EQUAL to God - NOT that he was God.

John 10:31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”​

 

[Eleanor]

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[Eleanor]

Thank you for that. Here's more definition of righteousness.

Righteousness is a concept that refers to moral uprightness, virtue, and doing what is right. It often implies adherence to a moral code, whether religious or ethical, and can be understood as living in accordance with what is considered just and good. In religious contexts, righteousness often refers to a state of moral purity that aligns with a divine standard or law.

So, when you say we need righteousness, and I say we need Christ's perfect Law-Keeping to enter heaven, and without this righteousness of Christ we will not enter heaven. Which circles back to what I have been saying. We need works to enter heaven. Which Christ provides freely in the Free Promise of the Gospel Good News for the ungodly.

I hope you agree with this.

Christ was born with the divine nature of God which is, by definition, righteous. . .which righteousness he did not lose by disobedience.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Christ was born with the divine nature of God which is, by definition, righteous. . .which righteousness he did not lose by disobedience.

Ah, but Christ came in the flesh, born under the Law to fulfill it and to condemn sin in the flesh. Galatians 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law