A problem with premillennialism

[Arial]

No...you're nitpicking. Talking about people fast asleep at 2 AM missing it...is nitpicking.

Whatever.

 

[Carbon]

God set up the laws of the universe. All technology is is those rules understood to a level in order to make use of them. Messiah's return will introduce technologies we haven't even dreamed of.

Again. God does not rely on, or need modern technology so everyopne will see the second coming.

And no one has even presented a Biblically accurate understanding of the events of Messiah's return through this whole topic.

well, let scripture speak for itself then.

 

[Carbon]

No...you're nitpicking. Talking about people fast asleep at 2 AM missing it...is nitpicking.

She is making a point. You don't get it? Really?

 

[Carbon]

God uses technology.

God used the technology to have the Romans form a cross from a tree....and technology to forge nails and make a hammer to pound them in.
I guess they needed the technology of some sort of shovel to make a hole to drop the bottom of the cross into.

Do you not see the technology of today and how it fits with biblcal prophecy?

Therefore God must use technology so all can see the secone doming of Christ?

That's silly.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

Again. God does not rely on, or need modern technology so everyopne will see the second coming.

well, let scripture speak for itself then.

technology is "magic" to the ignorant. You can not say God will not make use of technology. Yes, actually read the Bible - the actual languages of the Bible before being so dogmatic.

 

[Carbon]

God set up the laws of the universe. All technology is is those rules understood to a level in order to make use of them. Messiah's return will introduce technologies we haven't even dreamed of.

And no one has even presented a Biblically accurate understanding of the events of Messiah's return through this whole topic.

like I said, "let scripture speak for itself then."

@CrowCross wrote: God uses technology.

Let's have a look at what scripture teaches on the Second Coming.

12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” Revelation 6:12-17.

This describes a great catastrophe at the end of this age. With a crashing universe; a great earthquake, the sun turns black, the moon turns red like blood, the stars fall from their places, and the sky vanishes. And you think God needs modern technology?

@eclipseEventSigns Does the bible speak loud and clear enough for you?

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

like I said, "let scripture speak for itself then."

Let's have a look at what scripture teaches on the Second Coming.

12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” Revelation 6:12-17.

This describes a great catastrophe at the end of this age. With a crashing universe; a great earthquake, the sun turns black, the moon turns red like blood, the stars fall from their places, and the sky vanishes. And you think God needs modern technology?

@eclipseEventSigns Does the bible speak loud and clear enough for you?

Have you ACTUALLY read and comprehended what you quoted? You have no idea HOW any of that happens. HOW God does what is described Especially since it is described from a human viewpoint on earth. And not describing exactly what is going on physically with those objects. You have to comprehend what is being written. It's the same with the Genesis account. It is according to a human viewpoint and does not describe what exactly was going on physically.

Also, you are quoting English translation and not the original language text which gives A LOT more understanding for those that study and investigate and don't just accept ignorant church traditions.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Lets say the premill understanding of the millennial age is a biblical one. (I dont believe it is) But let's say for a minute it is.
What would be the consequences of this interpretation of Revelation 20:1-10?

Since it's all nothing but "Eschatology" (rank speculation). and the end of the age will take place exactly as it has been designed to, when it's time, there's really little sense in projecting our theological assumptions on any of it. Jesus said to "Occupy till he comes". So until I'm dead, I will, and not bother with "End time fantasies".

 

[Carbon]

Have you ACTUALLY read and comprehended what you quoted? You have no idea HOW any of that happens. HOW God does what is described Especially since it is described from a human viewpoint on earth. And not describing exactly what is going on physically with those objects. You have to comprehend what is being written. It's the same with the Genesis account. It is according to a human viewpoint and does not describe what exactly was going on physically.

Also, you are quoting English translation and not the original language text which gives A LOT more understanding for those that study and investigate and don't just accept ignorant church traditions.

This is the opening of the 6th seal which introduces judgement day.
Do I need to know how any of this happens in detail? No. But I know it happens. God's word says so.


God condescends to us, Scripture is written so us pea brain humans can understand it.


Now, what would you like to say about Genesis?

 

[Carbon]

Since it's all nothing but "Eschatology" (rank speculation). and the end of the age will take place exactly as it has been designed to, when it's time, there's really little sense in projecting our theological assumptions on any of it. Jesus said to "Occupy till he comes". So until I'm dead, I will, and not bother with "End time fantasies".

Hey, suit yourself.
There is so much unneeded, and unuseful writing in God's word, huh? Why bother with any of it.

 

[Arial]

She is making a point. You don't get it? Really?

Thanks Carbon. Sometimes when it is pointed out through hyperbole that someone's arguments are not rational, it actually makes them rethink the matter. Sometimes they just get bent out of shape.

 

[Carbon]

Thanks Carbon. Sometimes when it is pointed out through hyperbole that someone's arguments are not rational, it actually makes them rethink the matter. Sometimes they just get bent out of shape.

Yep.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

This is the opening of the 6th seal which introduces judgement day.
Do I need to know how any of this happens in detail? No. But I know it happens. God's word says so.


God condescends to us, Scripture is written so us pea brain humans can understand it.


Now, what would you like to say about Genesis?

Typical nonsensical reply.

 

[Carbon]

Typical nonsensical reply.

 

[Mr GLee]

Why not?

Other than without parable the signified tongue of God. . using the temporal things seen like horses to give the unseen spiritual understanding. Without parables Christ the Holy Spirit, our invisible head spoke not .

The Song of Songs one whole parable. . like Revelation two of the most used to give us the gospel understanding (signified)

What do horses represent in the parables ( signified prophecy) or called hidden manna in 2:17)

"As it where" denotes a parable (signified understanding) is in view. " as it is" no parable

Revelation 9:7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

Revelation 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

Revelation 9:17And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

Revelation 18:13And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. .. . . Simply the power of God

Revelation 19:14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

It would seem God knew in advance that faithless dying mankind must seek after a sign before they will believe.

In the opening statement (Revelation 1:1) he defines the kind of interpretation needed to trust him not seen .

Jesus said its a faithless generation (no faith) that could please God as it is written)

Believers have prophecy the power of God. . . signs to wonder after. . Satan the king of lying sign to wonder after.

Makes me wonder when he comes on the last day will he find his faith as a labor of his love working in dying mankind

.I think so. He calls us (nick name) .You of little faith the family of faith Christ in us

 

[CrowCross]

She is making a point. You don't get it? Really?

No, I don't get the point. Sorry.

 

[Mr GLee]

like I said, "let scripture speak for itself then."

Let's have a look at what scripture teaches on the Second Coming.

12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” Revelation 6:12-17.

This describes a great catastrophe at the end of this age. With a crashing universe; a great earthquake, the sun turns black, the moon turns red like blood, the stars fall from their places, and the sky vanishes. And you think God needs modern technology?

@eclipseEventSigns Does the bible speak loud and clear enough for you?

Revelation a summary .of the whole

Where do we find the "second coming" doctrine? What does it mean?.

The living word of God does not use that phrase. (second coming) .

Christ is here reigning in the hearts sons of God (Christians) . I would think he will leave like a thief in the night on the last day under the Sun

The Revelation prophecy was fulfilled at the time of first century reformation. . the beginning of the last days . A great tribulation for the outward Jew that was trusting his dying flesh could profit . . . none like ever b fore or ever again still doing its work of restoring faith as it is written

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

Revelation a summary .of the whole

Where do we find the "second coming" doctrine? What does it mean?.

The living word of God does not use that phrase. (second coming) .

Christ is here reigning in the hearts sons of God (Christians) . I would think he will leave like a thief in the night on the last day under the Sun

The Revelation prophecy was fulfilled at the time of first century reformation. . the beginning of the last days . A great tribulation for the outward Jew that was trusting his dying flesh could profit . . . none like ever b fore or ever again still doing its work of restoring faith as it is written

what particular branch of religious belief is this view from? It certainly does not take the Biblical text at face value.

 

[TMSO]

Revelation a summary .of the whole

Where do we find the "second coming" doctrine? What does it mean?.

The living word of God does not use that phrase. (second coming) .

Christ is here reigning in the hearts sons of God (Christians) . I would think he will leave like a thief in the night on the last day under the Sun

The Revelation prophecy was fulfilled at the time of first century reformation. . the beginning of the last days . A great tribulation for the outward Jew that was trusting his dying flesh could profit . . . none like ever b fore or ever again still doing its work of restoring faith as it is written

It is found in the book of Acts. It's really difficult to miss.

"9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were watching, and a cloud took Him up, out of their sight. 10 And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, then behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them, 11 and they said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”

Now, if you are a gnostic or a dualist, this isn't going to happen because that makes one a heretic. Obviously if one doesn't believe Jesus physically came to Earth the first time, they aren't going to believe He will physically come to Earth a second time. That He will "come in the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven." Why not? They don't believe that He left to go to heaven because He wasn't physically here in the first place. Flesh is evil, so God would never come in the flesh. However, flesh is not evil in and of itself. That is what they don't understand. The flesh of humanity is corrupted by sin, not by simple existence.

Of course, since all prophecy is simply allegory and not literal, it is easy to make those words of God's messengers to man just disappear. I mean, angels just passed on to the disciples the words of the Father, the message HE had for them... but, its nothing. Carry on.

 

[Mr GLee]

It is found in the book of Acts. It's really difficult to miss.

"9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were watching, and a cloud took Him up, out of their sight. 10 And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, then behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them, 11 and they said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”

Now, if you are a gnostic or a dualist, this isn't going to happen because that makes one a heretic. Obviously if one doesn't believe Jesus physically came to Earth the first time, they aren't going to believe He will physically come to Earth a second time. That He will "come in the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven." Why not? They don't believe that He left to go to heaven because He wasn't physically here in the first place. Flesh is evil, so God would never come in the flesh. However, flesh is not evil in and of itself. That is what they don't understand. The flesh of humanity is corrupted by sin, not by simple existence.

Of course, since all prophecy is simply allegory and not literal, it is easy to make those words of God's messengers to man just disappear. I mean, angels just passed on to the disciples the words of the Father, the message HE had for them... but, its nothing. Carry on.

Same way as you have watched Him go into heaven. By faith the invisible eternal things of God

John 6:62;63 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

What we see with our eyes profits for zero,nada

God is not a man as us. What can profit is Him pouring out his Spirit Life in jeopardy of his own life on our dying flesh and blood

Sin simply exists. No need to try and divide it as the Catholics (mortal and venial

No such thing as angel a false word .Not coined as angel to well after the completion of the living abiding word.

The translation of the Greek word Angelous is Messenger . How beautiful are there feet shod with the gospel of peace. Christ in us not a legion of angels (a fake word)