Why the Sabbath is used by God as his seal.

[Josheb]

There is not two sabbaths, one for Israel and another for Gentiles. Gentiles violate God and His Word by changing His sabbath from one day to another which is sin. This effectually makes Gentile Christianity a religion not a relationship.

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Ex 31:13.

Throughout means throughout and forever.

All of which is a Judaizing application of an old covenant on new covenant people that Judaizes Christianity with the Mosaic Law.

What does the epistolary state about the seventh day?
What does the epistolary states about the festival Sabbaths?
Why is it these texts are rarely (if ever) used in your ops?

Paul mentions the word "sabbath day" once! and on that occasion he unequivocally states no one is to judge another and it is a mere shadow of things to come.

Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day — things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

There is the implication at least one of the "festivals" (presumably Judaic) was practiced by at least some in the Church. Otherwise, there'd be no need to bring up the matter. The next line is curious,

Colossians 2:18-19
Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

What do the festivals, new moons, or Sabbaths have to do with self-abasement? Is this a reference to some pagan holy day practice? Is this a reference to sleeping in tents instead of their homes during the Jewish festival of tabernacles? Is it the practice of fasting or austere meals (such as the seder) common in Mosaic era holy days? If that mention of self-abasement is a reference to anything Judaic then it is also a repudiation of those Sabbaths.

The only other mention of any sabbath or Sabbath in the epistolary is Hebrews 4:8.

Hebrews 4:8-11
For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore, let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.

This is part of a multi-chapter narrative on Christ's fulfilling the Law and his being the reality of things that were foreshadowed or, in Paul's vernacular, "merely shadowed" in Tanakh. In other words, the sabbath wasn't reality. The sabbath was a shadow. This begs the question,

Why would anyone want to walk in the shadow and not reality?

The book of Acts contains eight mentions of the word "sabbath," all of them referencing the seventh day. Every single one of those mentions is about the apostles going to the synagogues when the Jews assembled so the apostles could preach the gospel to a large crowd. Not a single one of those eight mentions ever instructs any convert to Christ to practice the sabbath! Every single one of those eight verses is a simple observation and not an instruction. The book of Revelation never uses the word "sabbath."

Why is there no instruction to practice the sabbaths of Judaism after Calvary?

Why do Christ seventh-day-sabbath-keepers rarely (if ever) mention the facts of whole scripture? Why is this information from God's word omitted? Is this a matter of ignorance? Is it a matter of neglect? Do they know this information and deliberately keep silent about while trying to persuade others to live their way? Why is this information - information taken directly from God's word without embellishment - never engaged when broached by others?

 

[Mr GLee]

There is not two sabbaths, one for Israel and another for Gentiles.
Gentiles violate God and His Word by changing His sabbath from one day to another which is sin. This effectually makes Gentile Christianity a religion not a relationship.

I would offer first and foremost .

Satan would have the thing temporal seen as if they there the unseen eternal thing of faith (Christs just as with the word rest (sabbath)

Two kinds of rests or sabbaths . one ceremonial as a shadow a sign to the unbelieving world. and other to heart the actual spiritual rest . . yoked with Christ. We are strengthened do hear and do his will Hebrews four . . . the 24 /7 sabbath

The word Rest, in Hebrew "sabbath" is not a time sensitive word. It just means rest with no other meaning added One of the few words that should of been translated in English to give the foundation of the word. In that way in the Psalms David said what can the born again believer do if the foundation of the word were changed. . . . from the living word of God. . to the oral traditions of dying mankind?

I would add also the reason to change the non-time sensitive word "rest" to the word "week" a word not even used in the greek until to much later than prophecy . Youngs literal does defines it correctly as rest. . sabbath once in Matthew 28 Other time he follows the rest using the word week and not rest sabbath

Changing it to week It just does not make it a time sensitive word possibly much influence of the seventh day adventist

Mathew 28:1 Young's Literal And on the eve of the sabbaths(rests not weeks ) , at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths(rests, not weeks), came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

Then the Youngs does the same as others replacing the word rest with week making no biblical sense, three meals were allowed as a tradition at that time . The man in false pride said I only eat two . Unlike the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week,Rest I give tithes of all that I possess.(on the same day of rest ) .

From the last of the old testmentment rests sabbaths towards the new era of rests.. .sabaaths . . . not weeks

The kind of rest we need anytime we hear his voice and do not harden our own heats by not obeying the living word..

Cerimonial sign as shadows of the gospel. Not a self edifying sign to one's own to dying flesh. Sounds more like that of the unbelieving Jew that sought after lying sign to wonder after .Saying to jesu a circus seal. . do a trick work a miracle then when when we see it with our own eyed then we will believe . . . . . . not even one millisecond sooner

Christian's are given little of his faith (understanding) or called labor of love .He calls us of little faith Just the right golden measure for all

Natural un-redeemed, faithless mankind has no faith that could please the author and perfecter of our new born again faith Yoked with Christ's love he can make our daily burden lightened

Those ceremonial sign shadows were fulfilled (first century reformation) They looked ahead and backward as if all one time period.

Beautiful gospel parable in 1 Peter

Peter the prophet informs believers the trial of our new born again faith yoked with Christ not of own understanding (faith)

We are reckoned as have no faith or power that could please Him ) us, dead in trespass and sin dying mankind.

The Holy Father through the ceremonial laws (shadows) testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow . It worked in them just as us today .we can look back to the glory they could look ahead to the same glory

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time (reformation) the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

The mutual faith of Christ's labor of love that works in all sons of God( Christians)

Today we look back by the same Spirt of faith Christ's they looked ahead to the reformation. shadows were used until the time of first reformation.The restoring the government of God after Judges. Male and female prophets from all the nations of the world. Judges sent as apostles with prophecy the gospel. It is not after dying mankind under the curse of death as oral traditons (Hebrews 9) Resting (sabbath) signs are signs to the unbelieving faithless world.
no such thing as a self edifying sign to one self, we walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God .He is not a man as us dying mankind

Believers that were waiting for the promised reformation have prophecy the one source of Christ's faith or labor of His love. Sealed with 7 seal til the end of time under the Sun. They were watching for the fulment of the promise no man n knew the day hour or century God desireds we walk by faith after the unseen things of our Holy Father.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus kept kosher.
Jesus kept the Law. He defended the Law from the religious leaders and their traditions of the elders. But Jesus OBEYED the Law, He didn't abolish it, nor change it.
Gentile Christians that claim to follow Christ do not follow Him, instead follow a Constantinian church doctrine that has abolished the Law and created doctrines that have nothing to do with what Jesus taught for Jesus clarified and taught the Law and no Gentile obeys the Law. It will be this same Law that God will judge the world when the books are opened. Where in the Scriptures does God change the sabbath from the seventh day which is perpetual (everlasting) to the first day of the week? Just because Jesus appeared on the first day of the week is not grounds for changing the sabbath and other instructions from the Torah.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan. 7:23–25.

Christ changed nothing. The Constantinian church has changed much thus making Gentile Christianity its own religion, NOT a Messianic relationship.

34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Mk 8:34.

Jesus Christ obeyed the Law. Gentile Christians that claim to be followers of Christ make a false claim for none of them Follow Christ who followed the Law.
So, follow the Law IF you are a Christ follower.
Otherwise, your Christianity is not Biblical. It is something else.
Come out from among her and be ye separate. But you can't because the spirit of Jezebel has such a grip on the way you practice your religion you'll never recover. Now I know to whom God sends a strong delusion.

 

[Mr GLee]

Jesus kept kosher.
Jesus kept the Law. He defended the Law from the religious leaders and their traditions of the elders. But Jesus OBEYED the Law, He didn't abolish it, nor change it.
Gentile Christians that claim to follow Christ do not follow Him, instead follow a Constantinian church doctrine that has abolished the Law and created doctrines that have nothing to do with what Jesus taught for Jesus clarified and taught the Law and no Gentile obeys the Law. It will be this same Law that God will judge the world when the books are opened. Where in the Scriptures does God change the sabbath from the seventh day which is perpetual (everlasting) to the first day of the week? Just because Jesus appeared on the first day of the week is not grounds for changing the sabbath and other instructions from the Torah.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan. 7:23–25.

Christ changed nothing. The Constantinian church has changed much thus making Gentile Christianity its own religion, NOT a Messianic relationship.

34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Mk 8:34.

Jesus Christ obeyed the Law. Gentile Christians that claim to be followers of Christ make a false claim for none of them Follow Christ who followed the Law.
So, follow the Law IF you are a Christ follower.
Otherwise, your Christianity is not Biblical. It is something else.
Come out from among her and be ye separate. But you can't because the spirit of Jezebel has such a grip on the way you practice your religion you'll never recover. Now I know to whom God sends a strong delusion.

Kosher as a oral tradition of dying makinkind?

 

[Hobie]

Jesus kept kosher.
Jesus kept the Law. He defended the Law from the religious leaders and their traditions of the elders. But Jesus OBEYED the Law, He didn't abolish it, nor change it.
Gentile Christians that claim to follow Christ do not follow Him, instead follow a Constantinian church doctrine that has abolished the Law and created doctrines that have nothing to do with what Jesus taught for Jesus clarified and taught the Law and no Gentile obeys the Law. It will be this same Law that God will judge the world when the books are opened. Where in the Scriptures does God change the sabbath from the seventh day which is perpetual (everlasting) to the first day of the week? Just because Jesus appeared on the first day of the week is not grounds for changing the sabbath and other instructions from the Torah.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan. 7:23–25.

Christ changed nothing. The Constantinian church has changed much thus making Gentile Christianity its own religion, NOT a Messianic relationship.

34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Mk 8:34.

Jesus Christ obeyed the Law. Gentile Christians that claim to be followers of Christ make a false claim for none of them Follow Christ who followed the Law.
So, follow the Law IF you are a Christ follower.
Otherwise, your Christianity is not Biblical. It is something else.
Come out from among her and be ye separate. But you can't because the spirit of Jezebel has such a grip on the way you practice your religion you'll never recover. Now I know to whom God sends a strong delusion.

So was Adam jewish or a gentile, to say nothing about Noah, Job, and Enoch.... Salvation is for all, as is the Sabbath, whether Jew, Gentile, Greek or Roman, etc...

 

[jeremiah1five]

So was Adam jewish or a gentile, to say nothing about Noah, Job, and Enoch.... Salvation is for all, as is the Sabbath, whether Jew, Gentile, Greek or Roman, etc...

There is no Scripture that declares salvation is for all.
But I do know a quote from the Lord Himself who says salvation (and all its parts) is of the Jews.
God has always had an obedient separated people to Himself. Seth, Enos, Salah, Eber, Abram, follow the family line. Adamites that stayed together in disobedience to scatter and fill the earth ended up scattered anyway at Babel. But there was a family separated from the rest: Salah.
He took his family across the Jordan and to commemorate the move he named his son Eber.
The beginning of a people separated to God that will become the Hebrews.

 

[Mr GLee]

There is no Scripture that declares salvation is for all.
But I do know a quote from the Lord Himself who says salvation (and all its parts) is of the Jews.
God has always had an obedient separated people to Himself. Seth, Enos, Salah, Eber, Abram, follow the family line. Adamites that stayed together in disobedience to scatter and fill the earth ended up scattered anyway at Babel. But there was a family separated from the rest: Salah.
He took his family across the Jordan and to commemorate the move he named his son Eber.
The beginning of a people separated to God that will become the Hebrews.

Salvation is for all that follow the invisible head eternal God.(walk by faith) the unseen powerful eternal things of God

Its the goal of Satan to make dying mankind using outward of the flesh of a dying Jew as Kings of kings and Lord of lords

God is not a man .

 

[Eleanor]

There is no Scripture that declares salvation is for all.
But I do know a quote from the Lord Himself who says salvation (and all its parts) is of the Jews.

That means the Jews were prepared for over 2,000 years to
1) understand the meaning of sin and salvation from its condemnation,
2) produce the Messiah and
3) take the gospel of salvation to the Gentiles.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That means the Jews were prepared for over 2,000 years to
1) understand the meaning of sin and salvation from its condemnation,
2) produce the Messiah and
3) take the gospel of salvation to the Gentiles.

More like 4000 years +
And what Gentiles? Proselytes, God-Fearers, or uncircumcised, non0committed, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Roman, Scythian, Barbarian, or other non-Hebrews?

 

[Eleanor]

More like 4000 years +
And what Gentiles? Proselytes, God-Fearers, or uncircumcised, non0committed, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Roman, Scythian, Barbarian, or other non-Hebrews?

There were no "Jews" prior to Abraham, who lived about 2,100+ years before Christ.

 

[Mr GLee]

More like 4000 years +
And what Gentiles? Proselytes, God-Fearers, or uncircumcised, non0committed, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Roman, Scythian, Barbarian, or other non-Hebrews?

The covenant of ceremonial shadows? Mankind as a oral traditions of dying mankind , worshiping the shadow of the eternal ?

The veil representing the foreskin of the first born, Jesus the Son of man, first of many sons of God.(Christians) When it was cast as rent it returned to the dust where it was formed from. To show no value in dying flesh without the spirt essence.

Opening the holy of holies . No Jewish fleshly man as King of kings sitting in the place of Glory .Glory alone belong to our unseen Father.

Satan could no longer deceive all the nations of the world God is a Jewish man as King of kings

 

[jeremiah1five]

There were no "Jews" prior to Abraham, who lived about 2,100+ years before Christ.

Yes, there were. They were called Hebrew.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The covenant of ceremonial shadows? Mankind as a oral traditions of dying mankind , worshiping the shadow of the eternal ?

The veil representing the foreskin of the first born, Jesus the Son of man, first of many sons of God.(Christians) When it was cast as rent it returned to the dust where it was formed from. To show no value in dying flesh without the spirt essence.

Opening the holy of holies . No Jewish fleshly man as King of kings sitting in the place of Glory .Glory alone belong to our unseen Father.

Satan could no longer deceive all the nations of the world God is a Jewish man as King of kings

You don't have to always say "dying mankind."
I can see the cemeteries from time to time to remind me of that fact.

 

[Mr GLee]

You don't have to always say "dying mankind."
I can see the cemeteries from time to time to remind me of that fact.

Looking at the cemetery will not define dead

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

That fact has many false idea attached to it. Like what is really dead and not limbo/purgatory The graceless doctrine of wondering . Making room for worshiping dead relatives and persons of renown .Like patron saints used with Rachel when she hid the family idol .

Many desire to extend life after they take thier breath in a false hope.

Dying mankind reminds us we are carrying out the wage of sin to die once . There will be no other judgment or retrial

 

[Eleanor]

Yes, there were. They were called Hebrew.

Read mine again.

The word "Jews" does not appear in the Bible until after Abraham.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Read mine again.

The word "Jews" does not appear in the Bible until after Abraham.

"Jews" derives from the tribe of Judah. All the twelve tribes were Hebrew. The Hebrew people begin with Eber in Genesis 11. He is the son of Salah who separated from the rest of the people and "crossed over" the Jordan in obedience to scatter and "fill the earth" while everyone else stayed together. The name "Eber" means "crossing/crossed over." Eber is also the beginning of the Hebrew people which is why when Abram comes to prominence in Genesis 12, he is identified as Abram the Hebrew in Gen. 14:13.
To Abraham Ishmael is born and then Isaac is born and then Esau and Jacob.
Jacob has twelve sons of which one is named "Judah" from which the designation "Jews" derives.
Although "Jew" doesn't come about until Judah they were all still Hebrew and I use Jews and Hebrew interchangeably. Although not precise they are all still Hebrew. But I will be more precise going forward.

 

[Eleanor]

"Jews" derives from the tribe of Judah. All the twelve tribes were Hebrew. The Hebrew people begin with Eber in Genesis 11. He is the son of Salah who separated from the rest of the people and "crossed over" the Jordan in obedience to scatter and "fill the earth" while everyone else stayed together. The name "Eber" means "crossing/crossed over." Eber is also the beginning of the Hebrew people which is why when Abram comes to prominence in Genesis 12, he is identified as Abram the Hebrew in Gen. 14:13.
To Abraham Ishmael is born and then Isaac is born and then Esau and Jacob.
Jacob has twelve sons of which one is named "Judah" from which the designation "Jews" derives.
Although "Jew" doesn't come about until Judah they were all still Hebrew and
I use Jews and Hebrew interchangeably. Although not precise they are all still Hebrew. But I will be more precise going forward.

Thanks. . .

 

[Hobie]

There is no Scripture that declares salvation is for all.
But I do know a quote from the Lord Himself who says salvation (and all its parts) is of the Jews.
God has always had an obedient separated people to Himself. Seth, Enos, Salah, Eber, Abram, follow the family line. Adamites that stayed together in disobedience to scatter and fill the earth ended up scattered anyway at Babel. But there was a family separated from the rest: Salah.
He took his family across the Jordan and to commemorate the move he named his son Eber.
The beginning of a people separated to God that will become the Hebrews.

All who truly believe become His chosen, they are grafted in..

 

[jeremiah1five]

All who truly believe become His chosen, they are grafted in..

There is only ONE people Chosen and they are Israel. There is NO SCRIPTURE in the Law, Psalms, and Prophets stating Gentiles are chosen of God. NONE. So, let's not add to the bible and keep your interpretation in line with Scripture

Take note:

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Deut 7:5–6.

You have the infection of Constantinian Gentile heresy that causes symptoms of adding, subtracting, changing God's Words from what is recorded in Scripture with the fever of re-interpreting Scripture to fit a Gentile narrative.

It's called "lying."

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Prov. 30:6.

...and calling God a liar as well:

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 1 Jn 5:10.

To erroneously interpret the record of Scripture to make it say something God never said is to erect a false god-idol and THAT is what you will worship and witness to, which is what you've done in re-interpreting these passages in Luke and saying things that are not in the record and things Jesus did not teach.

 

[Hobie]

There is only ONE people Chosen and they are Israel. There is NO SCRIPTURE in the Law, Psalms, and Prophets stating Gentiles are chosen of God. NONE. So, let's not add to the bible and keep your interpretation in line with Scripture

Take note:

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Deut 7:5–6.

You have the infection of Constantinian Gentile heresy that causes symptoms of adding, subtracting, changing God's Words from what is recorded in Scripture with the fever of re-interpreting Scripture to fit a Gentile narrative.

It's called "lying."

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Prov. 30:6.

...and calling God a liar as well:

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 1 Jn 5:10.

To erroneously interpret the record of Scripture to make it say something God never said is to erect a false god-idol and THAT is what you will worship and witness to, which is what you've done in re-interpreting these passages in Luke and saying things that are not in the record and things Jesus did not teach.

Many will come from East and West and the children of Abraham left behind because of their unbelief is what we are shown..