Why so much against Calvinism?

[Carbon]

Short version, I obeyed the gospel.

And what did the gospel demand you do?

 

[JIM]

So, you chose Christ?

Given the Calvinist jargon for the word choose, I will forego trying to answer that.

 

[JIM]

And what did the gospel demand you do?

You are the theology professor here, you should read God's word and decide what that is.

 

[Manfred]

I did that when I was 10 years old.

So you just decided one day when you were 10 years old to obey the gospel.
Well done.

I will leave that for you to determine. God, by the Holy Spirit, has given all you need for that. You should really study that for yourself.

Oh, I understand that obeying God is not based on a decision. It is based on conviction that comes from God and not self.
From the little interaction we have had, it is clear that you place your choices above those of God.

 

[Manfred]

Given the Calvinist jargon for the word choose, I will forego trying to answer that.

So you don't have an answer.
Accusing people of using "jargon" without validation is an immediate indication that you have made up your mind about something and you are only here to troll.

 

[Manfred]

You are the theology professor here, you should read God's word and decide what that is.

Are you here to debate or to troll? He asked you what/how YOU understand it and all you can do is be facetious.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Given the Calvinist jargon for the word choose, I will forego trying to answer that.

Then use your jargon.

 

[atpollard]

This topic I posted elsewhere. And wanted to post it here as well. Because I am curious about everyone's thoughts.

Why is it so difficult for Arminians, (semi-pelagians and other free will believers) to accept reformed theology? Why are they so much against Calvinism? And actively against it?

I’m genuinely curious why.

Free willers, synergists, or whatever you prefer? Why?

Calvinists, what do you think are the reasons? Why?

• "In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did whatever seemed right to him." - [Jdg 17:6 CSB]
• "But you say, 'The Lord's way isn't fair.' Now listen, house of Israel: Is it my way that is unfair? Instead, isn't it your ways that are unfair?" - [Eze 18:25 CSB]
• "There is a way that seems right to a person, but its end is the way to death." - [Pro 14:12 CSB]

Just who people are ... we can do it, we are in charge!

 

[Arial]

Oh please, enough of that. The reformed position offends other believers because we think the Reformed position is just plain wrong.

Obviously you think it is wrong but that doesn't make for much of a discussion. And if you won't discuss it one wonders if you are able to or if you just go off of gut reactions? Or if your only interest is simply saying it is wrong.

So why don't you state what is wrong with it and show us why it is wrong?

 

[atpollard]

So why don't you state what is wrong with it and show us why it is wrong?

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

 

[Carbon]

You are the theology professor here, you should read God's word and decide what that is.

Why are you here?

 

[Arial]

I see God's election of people in the Bible. And you are correct that it talks about it everywhere. But I think your definition is wrong.

That is just great! We know you think something is wrong. I didn't find that helpful though.

What is wrong about it?
Why is it wrong?
What is right?
Where do we find biblical support for it wrongness?
Where do we find biblical support for your rightness?

(Proof texts won't be enough unless you exegete them.)

BTW and FYI Following is the def of conversation.

1
: oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas
… we had talk enough but no conversation; there was nothing discussed.

 

[Arial]

Yes, of course. But everything that is ever posted here, except exact quotations from God's word, is someone's opinion. It may offend your sensibilities, but that includes your posts as well.

And I would add that even in the exact quotations, depending upon the translation selected for the quote, might also contain a little bit of opinion.

The point is (I will put it in bold black letters as an aide) an opinion given with nothing to support it or base it on is like spitting into the wind.

 

[Arial]

View attachment 494And I am still on the fence.... TYVMView attachment 495

I mean that sincerely.....

Is that uncomfortable or painful? I hate when that happens. What in particular are you wrestling with?

 

[Arial]

I will leave that for you to determine.

Sounds like you don't have an answer.

 

[Rella]

Is that uncomfortable or painful? I hate when that happens. What in particular are you wrestling with?

Have you not noticed that both sides present their sides with biblical backing.

I'm just waiting until I fall off the fence one way or the other.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You are the theology professor here, you should read God's word and decide what that is.

Jim, tell me about your experience at being born again. I'd like to know. Can you witness the wonderful works of God in your life for me?
Let's both give God the glory. Witness for Christ.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Have you not noticed that both sides present their sides with biblical backing.

I'm just waiting until I fall off the fence one way or the other.

Hello Rella.
I think this is a subject you should study to come to the knowledge of the truth.
But let's not forget the personal experience of being born again.
This is also evidence that is accompanied with Scripture.
There's a reason why Christians are called "Hallelujah's" and "Holy rollers."

 

[Arial]

Have you not noticed that both sides present their sides with biblical backing.

I'm just waiting until I fall off the fence one way or the other.

I haven't read all the thread no. But so far I have seen Calvinist presenting arguments----that is, whatever the starting point being discussed, the assertion is supported and defended with reasoned logic and biblical support. Unless of course the other side merely states an opinion with no meat to it at all---so no discussion.

In what I have seen so far, that is about all the free will side has offered.

 

[Rella]

I haven't read all the thread no. But so far I have seen Calvinist presenting arguments----that is, whatever the starting point being discussed, the assertion is supported and defended with reasoned logic and biblical support. Unless of course the other side merely states an opinion with no meat to it at all---so no discussion.

In what I have seen so far, that is about all the free will side has offered.

I have not read all, either.

But in a former forum (that closed down) there was a constant back and forth ... all biblically supported... for both Arminianism and Calvinism.
I wish I had access to that one that I could transfer it here.

That forum debate is the reason I am on the fence.... BTW... we need a fence smiley or a teeter totter gif....

I think I'll open a thread titled Arminianism vs Calvinism. To see if the two I know from that other forum will come post. They are here, members...
but in truth... As wonderful as these forums are.. even I get sidetracked in looking for specific ones....

I will trust if there is already one it will be noted at the bottom..... ?