Why Did God Tell Israel That He is One?

[LeviR]

Care to explain yourself with what you said: "Who all at one time had sinned and then been granted life eternal."

The Hebrew verb “to know” (yada) refers to know by experience. The Father can not “know” (yada) evil because He cannot do evil.

 

[Red Baker]

The Hebrew verb “to know” (yada) refers to know by experience. The Father can not “know” (yada) evil because He cannot do evil.

I did not ask for a lesson on Hebrews words and their meaning~I clearly asked you:

Care to explain yourself with what you said: "Who all at one time had sinned and then been granted life eternal."

I fully understand that God does not fellowship with evil; and it is impossible for him to sin, that is not even within the context of what you said, you said: "Who all at one time had sinned and then been granted life eternal."

The scriptures said otherwise.

2nd Peter 2:4​

“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”

Need help with this scripture? Obviously you do.

2 Peter 2:4

"For if God spared not the angles that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto the judgement."

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned"~By whom are meant the devil and his angels; who are spirits created by God and as such were good; their first estate which they left was pure and holy, as well as high and honourable; they, were at first in the truth, though they abode not in it; they were once among the morning stars and sons of God, and were angels of light; their numbers are many, and therefore are here expressed in the plural number, "angels", though it cannot be said how large, a number that cannot be counted.

"God spared not"~ Notwithstanding the dignity and excellency of their nature, in strict justice, and awful severity, without any mercy, inflicted due punishment on them; wherefore it cannot be thought that false teachers, who, as they, abide not in the truth, but deny and oppose it, should escape the vengeance of God, for they will not.

"but cast them down to hell"~In what sense are we to understand the word hell as used by Peter? It cannot be understood as the lake of fire, for that is after the judgment~for which they are reserved for...which is to come, as is evident by even the angles themselves:

Matthew 8:29

"And behold they cried out saying, What have we to do with thee Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"

They know that there is a day appointed for them to be judge and then cast into the lake of fire, or into the deep, as used by Mark and Luke.

Also, the world is full of evil spirits as is evident by many scriptures in the NT, and in the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Hell in this scripture is explain to us by Peter as he said these words:

"and delivered them into chains of darkness"~When they left their first estate, by sinning, God Almighty delivered them into chains of darkness~which means their sins left them under the guilt of sin, which is the power of darkness, and in black despair; shutting them up in unbelief, impenitence, and hardness of mind; being holden with the cords of their sins, and in the most dreadful state of bondage and captivity to their lusts, in just judgment on them; and in the most miserable and uncomfortable condition, being driven from the realms of light, deprived of the face and presence of God, in the utmost horror and trembling, and fearful looking for of judgment, and fiery indignation to consume them; and in utter darkness, without the least glimmering of light, joy, peace, and comfort; and where there is nothing but weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth; and being also under the restraints of the power and providence of God, and not able to stir or move, or do anything without divine permission; and being likewise, by the everlasting, unalterable, and inscrutable purposes and decrees of God, appointed to everlasting wrath and destruction; by which they are consigned and bound over to it, and held fast, that they cannot escape it! They are there~

"to be reserved unto judgment"~And judge they shall be! By Jesus Christ and his saints. This is the prison of hell in which they are now suffering under, there waiting for that great day of the wrath of Almighty God. This hell, they will never escape from, they are forever under this chains of darkness and deception in which they are now living under. Their final abode will be destruction in the lake of fire and brimstone. No salvation for those angels that sinned and left their first estate, contrary to what you said above.

 

[LeviR]

I did not ask for a lesson on Hebrews words and their meaning~I clearly asked you:

I fully understand that God does not fellowship with evil; and it is impossible for him to sin, that is not even within the context of what you said, you said: "Who all at one time had sinned and then been granted life eternal."

The scriptures said otherwise.

2nd Peter 2:4​

“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”

Need help with this scripture? Obviously you do.

2 Peter 2:4

"For if God spared not the angles that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto the judgement."

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned"~By whom are meant the devil and his angels; who are spirits created by God and as such were good; their first estate which they left was pure and holy, as well as high and honourable; they, were at first in the truth, though they abode not in it; they were once among the morning stars and sons of God, and were angels of light; their numbers are many, and therefore are here expressed in the plural number, "angels", though it cannot be said how large, a number that cannot be counted.

"God spared not"~ Notwithstanding the dignity and excellency of their nature, in strict justice, and awful severity, without any mercy, inflicted due punishment on them; wherefore it cannot be thought that false teachers, who, as they, abide not in the truth, but deny and oppose it, should escape the vengeance of God, for they will not.

"but cast them down to hell"~In what sense are we to understand the word hell as used by Peter? It cannot be understood as the lake of fire, for that is after the judgment~for which they are reserved for...which is to come, as is evident by even the angles themselves:

Matthew 8:29

"And behold they cried out saying, What have we to do with thee Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"

They know that there is a day appointed for them to be judge and then cast into the lake of fire, or into the deep, as used by Mark and Luke.

Also, the world is full of evil spirits as is evident by many scriptures in the NT, and in the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Hell in this scripture is explain to us by Peter as he said these words:

"and delivered them into chains of darkness"~When they left their first estate, by sinning, God Almighty delivered them into chains of darkness~which means their sins left them under the guilt of sin, which is the power of darkness, and in black despair; shutting them up in unbelief, impenitence, and hardness of mind; being holden with the cords of their sins, and in the most dreadful state of bondage and captivity to their lusts, in just judgment on them; and in the most miserable and uncomfortable condition, being driven from the realms of light, deprived of the face and presence of God, in the utmost horror and trembling, and fearful looking for of judgment, and fiery indignation to consume them; and in utter darkness, without the least glimmering of light, joy, peace, and comfort; and where there is nothing but weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth; and being also under the restraints of the power and providence of God, and not able to stir or move, or do anything without divine permission; and being likewise, by the everlasting, unalterable, and inscrutable purposes and decrees of God, appointed to everlasting wrath and destruction; by which they are consigned and bound over to it, and held fast, that they cannot escape it! They are there~

"to be reserved unto judgment"~And judge they shall be! By Jesus Christ and his saints. This is the prison of hell in which they are now suffering under, there waiting for that great day of the wrath of Almighty God. This hell, they will never escape from, they are forever under this chains of darkness and deception in which they are now living under. Their final abode will be destruction in the lake of fire and brimstone. No salvation for those angels that sinned and left their first estate, contrary to what you said above.

The man has become as one of US to know (yada) good and evil. The verb yada in Hebrew refers to knowledge by experience and not knowlege in the mind.
Adam gained the knowledge of good and evil by doing what was evil.
This means that the “US” refers to ones who had experience, by doing, the same. And not just a “head” knowledge. There is another word for that.

A possible explanation for this might be that the angels “US” had at one time existed in the position of being able to sin and had done so.

 

[Red Baker]

The man has become as one of US to know (yada) good and evil. The verb yada in Hebrew refers to knowledge by experience and not knowlege in the mind.
Adam gained the knowledge of good and evil by doing what was evil.

Again, I do not need a lesson in Hebrews words, for I have the scriptures in my own native language, and can understand the scriptures without knowing the Hebrew language. No where did any of the apostles ever refer their followers on what the Hebrews meaning of words meant~they used the scriptures which they had at that time they were then handed down to them by scribes~Moses most likely even spoke a different dialect then even the apostles did, yet God was more than able to preserve his word for them just as it was first given by Moses.~no problem for Him to do so. So, you are talking to the wrong person, trying to impress me you know the scriptures by knowing the original Hebrew language.

This means that the “US” refers to ones who had experience, by doing, the same. And not just a “head” knowledge.

Us refers to those elect angels who did not sin. They knew evil by the very fact they witness Satan and his angels sinned and left their first estate. There are many examples of them knowing sin without sinning, just as God knows good and evil without sinning. I can come back and provide many scriptures for your consideration, but time will not allow me to do so at the present ~ I have some meetings that I must attend to first.

Adam gained the knowledge of good and evil by doing what was evil.

This is true, since Adam had never witness anyone sinning. This does not prove your wild speculation.

 

[Mr GLee]

2 Peter 2:4

"For if God spared not the angles that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto the judgement."

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned"~By whom are meant the devil and his angels; who are spirits created by God and as such were good; their first estate which they left was pure and holy, as well as high and honourable; they, were at first in the truth, though they abode not in it; they were once among the morning stars and sons of God, and were angels of light; their numbers are many, and therefore are here expressed in the plural number, "angels", though it cannot be said how large, a number that cannot be counted.

I would offer. There is one invisible Spirit as a Faithful Creator "let there be"

No such invisible creation some call angels a fake word sounds the same different

There are two spirits we are to concern ourselves with .Christ the Spirt of light. Satan the legion the spirit of darkness

Not legion of angels a fake creation according the fake word angel .

The Greek Angelos .translated is "Messenger" Apostles sent ones delivery boys, UPS, Fed X , pony express As in how beautiful are the feet of those apostles (sent ones)shod with the gospel of peace ., Jesus said if he does not wash there beautiful feet then they have no part in the gospel.

Both in the old new use angel coined many years after the closing and not messenger as in apostle .Abel the first apostle and martyr

Disembodied spirits are need to develop the patron saint teaching of Rome . 3,503 an rising that oral tradition was passed on from the Pharisees with Sadducees

Satan the legion as the father of lies 2 Peter 2:4 "For if God spared not the false apostles sent with false prohecy oral traditons of dying mankind that sinned"~By the devil and his false apostles who are spirits created by the god of this worl God

 

[Arial]

What I did not find in your explanation any evidence that Deuteronomy 6:4 teaches the Trinity, or even allows the Trinity.

I did not say it taught the Trinity. I said it could not be used to deny the Trinity. Neither can it be used to prove the Trinity. The Trinity is revealed through further progressive revelation. We see it clearly in hind sight.

The Holy Spirit is identified and when we receive a revelation concerning another member of the "us" in the NT we discover Jesus also had a role in creation.

John 1:1-3
Col 1:16-17
Heb 1:2
1 Cor 8:6

This is monotheistic, but God who knows the end from beginning, also anticipates the erroneous doctrine of the Trinity. It is a Unitarian statement, as God is One, not three.

The Trinity is monotheistic. It declares one God, not three, as is always suggested by those who deny the Trinity. As you do here. That is an erroneous concept of the actual doctrine. The idea that in Deut 6 God says what he does in anticipation of future "false doctrine" is nothing less than reading into the Scripture what is not there. That God is triune, Father, Son, Holy Spirit is there as a shadow of something that at that point in history, and progression of redemption, cannot be seen clearly. We are told of the actions of three that can only be God. We are told of the Holy Spirit at work in various ways and at various times. We are told of this Savior, this Messiah who would be born of a virgin and restore all things.

In the NT, with the coming of this Messiah we see Jesus, coming from the Father as one of us to do the work of redemption. We see the NT writers constantly quoting the OT, as if to say, "This is what this was pointing to. This is what that meant." As does Jesus. And we have God revealed as covenant Father adopting children through Christ, and we have the Son, going to the cross, shedding his blood to purchase them for the Father.

Psalm 8 is David's Psalm of praise and it not only is a summary of Creation, but also uses the framework of the Edenic Creation and the Fall as a framework to speak of the New Creation in Christ. In effect Psalm 8:5 is a summary and commentary of Genesis 1:26-27.

Great. But didn't you use it as a proof text that the "us" in creation were angels?

 

[Mr GLee]

I did not say it taught the Trinity. I said it could not be used to deny the Trinity. Neither can it be used to prove the Trinity. The Trinity is revealed through further progressive revelation. We see it clearly in hind sight.



The Trinity is monotheistic. It declares one God, not three, as is always suggested by those who deny the Trinity. As you do here. That is an erroneous concept of the actual doctrine. The idea that in Deut 6 God says what he does in anticipation of future "false doctrine" is nothing less than reading into the Scripture what is not there. That God is triune, Father, Son, Holy Spirit is there as a shadow of something that at that point in history, and progression of redemption, cannot be seen clearly. We are told of the actions of three that can only be God. We are told of the Holy Spirit at work in various ways and at various times. We are told of this Savior, this Messiah who would be born of a virgin and restore all things.

In the NT, with the coming of this Messiah we see Jesus, coming from the Father as one of us to do the work of redemption. We see the NT writers constantly quoting the OT, as if to say, "This is what this was pointing to. This is what that meant." As does Jesus. And we have God revealed as covenant Father adopting children through Christ, and we have the Son, going to the cross, shedding his blood to purchase them for the Father.

Great. But didn't you use it as a proof text that the "us" in creation were angels?

Angel as a messenger sent with the gospel called apostles .

Jesus, the Son of man the chief apostle . The dynamic dual the Father and son of man team.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Fred,

All of creation was done by God alone (Job 9:8; Isaiah 44:24)

The One God, Yahweh, God the Father certainly did not rely upon the idol gods that were popular in Judah at the time when Isaiah wrote verses 8, 9-20. A careful examination of Genesis 1-3 will reveal that the Angels were active in the Garden of Eden and I consider that the Cherubim mentioned were also Angels. Adam and Eve would not have been allowed to see Yahweh after their sin.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings (again) Red Baker,

You and I have went over this subject many times in the past on different forums

Nice to interact with you again. Your forum name is familiar, but I cannot recall which forum and the extent of our discussion. I have been active on forums for over 20 years and have posted on many forums. I can no longer access my favourite forum due to a recurring program error. I am also currently banned by three forums because of my Unitarian views.

There is a trinity according to each work in the redemption of God's elect. Even though there is one God, yet this God is manifest to us as three based upon the redemption of the children of God.

2nd Corinthians 13:14 ​

“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen."

I do not see that this has any weight in convincing a Unitarian that the doctrine of the Trinity is correct. Perhaps you could look at the introduction to ALL the Epistles, that distinguish between the One God, God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Btw, his name is Jehovah, not Yahweh.

Have you considered Strong's Numbers 3068 and 3069? Isaiah 50 is useful to compare these.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Arial,

Great. But didn't you use it as a proof text that the "us" in creation were angels?

Yes.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[His clay]

This OP is to counter the belief by those who deny the Trinity that God's declaration to Israel that he is the one God and there is no other, means that neither Jesus or the Holy Spirit are God.

To do this we must discover from the Scriptures themselves why he said that to them. Was he establishing that there is no Trinity as is suggested? Or was there another reason he repeatedly told the Israelites this beginning with the Exodus from Egypt?

The answer is right before our eyes if we are reading through the Bible chronologically, or if we have become familiar with the whole of Scripture. And even then, it may not register, and there may be many things we forget or have not yet been applied to the actual context. This last is often a product of our automatic thinking as we read, (or not thinking about it) as though the Israelites had the same information that we have. But they did not. They had none of what is written in our Bible at the time of the Exodus or before that time, and neither did their fathers---Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and descendants.

One of the first rules of Bible interpretation can easily be cast aside. And that is taking into account the people and culture of those we are reading about. What they were doing and the times they lived in. We have it to read, but they did not. They knew nothing of the creation story, and even with Abraham, God did reveal himself as the one true God, and Abraham believed, but his knowledge was limited to that time and that place. There were, no doubt oral historic facts that involved God, passed from Noah, but there were four hundred years between Noah and Abraham. Every culture had many gods. It was as we see in Romans 1.

In Joshua 24 we are told explicitly that even the people of Abraham (and no doubt Abraham himself) were serving many gods. 1-3 Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem and summoned the leaders, the heads , the judges, and the people, "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, "Long ago, your fathers lived beyond the Euphrates, Terah, the Father of Abraham and of Nahor; and they served other gods." 14 "Now therefore fear the LORD and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the god's that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD."

Between these verses is a summary of the work that God did in Egypt to bring his people out and in the wilderness.

What do we see God doing in Egypt? We see him putting all other "gods", who are not gods, to shame. He is exposing them for what they are. Deaf, dumb, unable to move, unable to act in any way, as just lifeless lumps of wood, and who never do and cannot enter into creation in a personal way or control and direct anything. He reveals himself as the one who is sovereign over all that is, it does what he tells it to do. He reveals himself as God who enters into history, who enters into nature, and relationships with those things in nature, and most of all, men. He is the God who acts and speaks and hears and governs.

The Hebrews in Egypt did not know this. They had no experience with it. The Egyptians certainly did not know this.

So this is why God said that he is One and there is no god besides him. To separate them from worshiping and trusting in lumps of wood. Why they were to have no other gods. He proved what he claimed about himself and he never stopped doing so. We learn this from reading about it. They learned it from living it.

God revealing himself as One is not about his manner of being, whether or not he is triune. It is about there being no other gods but him. It is not until the NT and the coming of Christ, that his tiunity is more clearly revealed by what Christ does. And then, when we see that we see that it was there all along in the OT too, especially in the Messianic writings.

Exactly my first thought as well: a counter to idolatry. Just simply paying attention to context is all it takes.

 

[Red Baker]

Greetings (again) Red Baker,

Nice to interact with you again. Your forum name is familiar, but I cannot recall which forum and the extent of our discussion. I have been active on forums for over 20 years and have posted on many forums. I can no longer access my favorite forum due to a recurring program error. I am also currently banned by three forums because of my Unitarian views.

A few years back you were on Mountain Retreat, Tony Warren's site, which I have left due to Tony turning the site's management over to a man that is political driven with hatred toward Republicans (a one time conservative party in America, the only thing left close to being conservative) more than teaching the scriptures. You being a Christadelphian take a another view of not even being concern/involved with the political side of Mystery Babylon~which we teach you can do most things in moderation while living in this world.

Jeremiah 29:5​

“Build ye houses, and dwell in them; and plant gardens, and eat the fruit of them;”

You were on Grace centered forum which is now: Christian Forums - Index Plus one more that I cannot remember.

I would not ban folks over certain teachings if those teachings can be discussed in a manner where the possibility of someone being converted to the truth~and done in the spirit of meekness, which you have always conducted yourself, even with our differences.

My understanding of the Trinity would fall in between you and those who teach the eternal sonship position~I teach the incarnate Sonship doctrine which to some would deny their Trinity doctrine and to folks like you, I would still hold to the Trinity. Your position is more against the scriptures than those who preach the eternal Sonship position. You folks reject the Deity of Jesus Christ being the I AM THAT I AM~God manifest in the flesh. Jesus was God, but God was not Jesus!

More later if you desire to talk on this subject.

 

[Fred]

Greetings again Fred,

The One God, Yahweh, God the Father certainly did not rely upon the idol gods that were popular in Judah at the time when Isaiah wrote verses 8, 9-20.

Neglects Job 9.

A careful examination of Genesis 1-3 will reveal that the Angels were active in the Garden of Eden

No proof they created.

 

[Mr GLee]

A few years back you were on Mountain Retreat, Tony Warren's site, which I have left due to Tony turning the site's management over to a man that is political driven with hatred toward Republicans (a one time conservative party in America, the only thing left close to being conservative) more than teaching the scriptures. You being a Christadelphian take a another view of not even being concern/involved with the political side of Mystery Babylon~which we teach you can do most things in moderation while living in this world.

Jeremiah 29:5​

“Build ye houses, and dwell in them; and plant gardens, and eat the fruit of them;”

You were on Grace centered forum which is now: Christian Forums - Index Plus one more that I cannot remember.

I would not ban folks over certain teachings if those teachings can be discussed in a manner where the possibility of someone being converted to the truth~and done in the spirit of meekness, which you have always conducted yourself, even with our differences.

My understanding of the Trinity would fall in between you and those who teach the eternal sonship position~I teach the incarnate Sonship doctrine which to some would deny their Trinity doctrine and to folks like you, I would still hold to the Trinity. Your position is more against the scriptures than those who preach the eternal Sonship position. You folks reject the Deity of Jesus Christ being the I AM THAT I AM~God manifest in the flesh. Jesus was God, but God was not Jesus!

More later if you desire to talk on this subject.

I would offer .

No eye has seen or ear heard. we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen:

Eternal God is not a man in any way shape or form . . .never could

Christ the father dwells in those born again from above

Jesus the Son of man (dying mankind) like all born again believers was empowered to both (the key) hear the will of the father "let there be" and empower to finish and "it was faithfully good" (Law of faith)

Christ is the husband. The Son of man Jesus is our brother in the lord like all born again from above. The first born again of many sons of God.
No such thing as a creation of angels a fake word coined many years after the the closing of the Bible . (abomination of desolation)Therefore making unseen eternal things of the Spirit of Christ that dwells in believers without effect .

No angels. Messenger is the proper translation of the Greek Angelos. . as apostles sent ones yes. How beautiful are their feet shod with the gospel

Its Christ in us as the hope of His glory . . not a unknowable number (legion) of what are called angels. disembodied spirit guides (patron saints). his and hers gods. (3,500 and rising)

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

The dynamic dual The us in Genesis 1:26

God is not a man as us. Simply a wile of the evil father of lies to seduce mankind to believe God is a Jewish man as King of kings . Satan failed using Peter as one of the many antichrists' false apostles sent with false prophecy oral traditons of dying mankind another teaching authority other than sola scriptura.

Peter the serial denier used as a antichrist .false prophet false apostles .he was forgiven of his blasphemy of the Son of man jesus forbidding him from doing the will of our Holy Father.

The spirit of antichrist Satan the false prophet will be released again at the end of the age to again seduce mankind to beleive God is a Jewish man as King of kings


Mathew 16: 22:23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Red Baker,

You being a Christadelphian take a another view of not even being concern/involved with the political side of Mystery Babylon~which we teach you can do most things in moderation while living in this world.

We are interested in politics, but do not participate. I find American politics rather amusing. Our elections in Australia are over and done with in a few weeks. God decides if he allows a good or bad ruler at a particular time.

A few years back you were on Mountain Retreat, Tony Warren's site,

I most probably still have access to that forum, but have not looked or participated for a long time.

You folks reject the Deity of Jesus Christ being the I AM THAT I AM

I endorse Tyndale's translation: "I wilbe" and the RV and RSV margin renditions. How did you get on with Strong's #3068 and 3069? Maybe I have developed a wider understanding or explanation of the subject as a whole since we last met.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Mr GLee]

We are interested in politics, but do not participate. I find American politics rather amusing. Our elections in Australia are over and done with in a few weeks. God decides if he allows a good or bad ruler at a particular time.

Yes, we need to make America the greatest blessed by grace . The greatest nation as a political ight to all nations that other nation have model after. Other nations are following us as ridiculous childish fads. We have become the laughing standard

Here things as fads like Gender dysphoria, gender confusion, border confusion. Begin in California the fad setter and move to New York then other states later, other not, they resist worshiping fads.

Prayers from other countries the greatest way back to the garden of Eden .

 

[LeviR]

Greetings again Red Baker,

We are interested in politics, but do not participate. I find American politics rather amusing. Our elections in Australia are over and done with in a few weeks. God decides if he allows a good or bad ruler at a particular time.

I most probably still have access to that forum, but have not looked or participated for a long time.

I endorse Tyndale's translation: "I wilbe" and the RV and RSV margin renditions. How did you get on with Strong's #3068 and 3069? Maybe I have developed a wider understanding or explanation of the subject as a whole since we last met.

Kind regards
Trevor

I was Christadelphian until I spoke up against their denial that the faithful will be raised (resurrected from the dead) incorruptible.
I was disfellowshipped for it.
I would have left anyway because teaching that the faithful are not raised incorruptible is a false gospel.

 

[prism]

The Jewish mind even today cannot accept the Trinity, and a major reason is because of Deuteronomy 6:4.

But the Jewish mind in the time of Christ? Paul, Peter, John James etc?

 

[Mr GLee]

I was Christadelphian until I spoke up against their denial that the faithful will be raised (resurrected from the dead) incorruptible.
I was disfellowshipped for it.
I would have left anyway because teaching that the faithful are not raised incorruptible is a false gospel.

I would offer .That false teaching that the blessed by the grace faithful are not raised incorruptible.

I would offer It is the outcome of what is called Gnosticisms. Secret revelations as false knowledge. The foundation for reincarnation dead men rising in same body or can change thier identity

.Satan the king of lying signs to wonder after the "chief identity theft teaching master". . .I will ascend to the clouds of his presence I will be like God. .

Satan hiding the spiritual understanding called faith the understanding of Christ. Yoked with his powerful Holy Spirit he can make the burden lighter

A wile of the evil one . Lucifer the father of lies knowing as a new creation we are no longer considered male, female neither Jew nor gentile

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Deceiving the world that the secret ressurection has come destroying faith the unseen power of Christ

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some

Its the kind of extreme left government in charge today .Uniformity of the spirit of lies Rather than unity of Christ working in us. Not false utopia, (Queen Kamala) the wonder will the border be closed or let the whole world in uniformity. . bow down to the lawless Queen . .

We conform to the invisible eternal image. Not a image in the likeness of dying mankind .

 

[Red Baker]

I was Christadelphian until I spoke up against their denial that the faithful will be raised (resurrected from the dead) incorruptible.
I was disfellowshipped for it.
I would have left anyway because teaching that the faithful are not raised incorruptible is a false gospel.

Levi~care to share more of what they teach?