Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)

[Mr GLee]

True and there is also no mention of antichrist in Revelation either

Antichrists' false prophets as false apostles. . . nothing more an nothing less

No signs or dates were given like some that use Rome as the evil headquarters.

It is a evil generation dying mankind that does look to the temporal dying historical, and not the eternal not seen.

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; (Person, date place or a thing).and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.. . .fulfilled with the prophet Son of man ,
Jesus

Believers have prophecy (sola scriptura) sealed with 7 seals till the end of time.

The parables must be rightly divided if are to find the spiritual understanding hid from the lost ..

The 20/20 prescription

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

It's useless to study without the mixing recipe (2 Corinthians 4:18) . Eternal things not seen mixing with the temporal historical . No mix no gospel rest.

Why literalize the gospel . . our spiritual understanding?

Antichrists false apostles sent with false prophecy are every chapter of the Book of law (Bible) or what some call books to include the last chapter Revelation.

The antichrist the spirit of lies that brings false prophecy works in many antichrists'. . false teachers (plural) Beginning with Cain who murdered his born again brother Abel, the true prophet, first listed martyr .

1 John 2 :18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist (singular Satan) shall come, even now are there many antichrists;(like Peter) whereby we know that it is the last time.

Peter as a demonstration of the many antichrists in Matthew 16 was deceived and used as one that rebuked our unseen Holy Father and forbid Jesus the Son of man from doing the will of the Holy Father. . . whereby we know that it is the last time.

John 2 :19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Again simply false apostles sent with false prophecy (I heard it through the dying fathers grapevine) Like that of Nicodemus the leader of the Nicolaitans, Long before the Pope

Revelation 2:1-7 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.(believing God through sola scriptura) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; (believe God not dying mankind Popes) or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans,(Popes) which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God

 

[Josheb]

No, it is those who follow the dragon or devil from which comes the spirit of antichrist or demons..

Not a single word in scripture states the antichrist is the same "entity" as the beast. That is solely a function of man-made doctrinal reading of scripture, and it does not help a fraction of a scintilla when it comes to identifying who is the antichrist.

I asked you a question.

What entity?

I would like an answer to that question before proceeding. Post 4 implies the antichrist is an entity. So do posts 11 and 18. This is an assumption, one that has yet to be evidenced with any scripture, much less proven. Where does scripture state the antichrist is an "entity"? And why aren't the statements of John's epistles being addressed? Why isn't the substance of his report being engaged?

 

[Mr GLee]

Not a single word in scripture states the antichrist is the same "entity" as the beast. That is solely a function of man-made doctrinal reading of scripture, and it does not help a fraction of a scintilla when it comes to identifying who is the antichrist.

Antichrists the beast of the feld dying mankind false prophecy sent as false apostles. Another teaching authority other than sola scriptura

 

[Josheb]

Antichrists the beast of the feld dying mankind false prophecy sent as false apostles. Another teaching authority other than sola scriptura

Prove it. Consult Posts 14 and 19 before doing so.

 

[Mr GLee]

Someone who lived in the first century AD. Someone who was one of many people living when John wrote his epistles, was expected to come during or immediately following the "last hour," and was among those who denied the Father and the Son and denied Jesus is the anointed one of God, did not confess Jesus is from God and came in the flesh.

Abel the first apostle sent with prophecy(gospel) first recorded martyr murdered by the false prophet false apostle Cain. Satan the deceiving spirit of the antichrist that worked in the liar,murderer Cain.who denied the father and the Son of man Jesus The ler. . "I don't know where my dead brother is I buried him under the corn stalks out of sight our od mind .No faith the unseen things of God needed just believe the father of lies the spirit of the antichrist as in why serve a unseen eternal God

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[Josheb]

Abel the first apostle sent with prophecy(gospel) first recorded martyr murdered by the false prophet false apostle Cain. Satan the deceiving spirit of the antichrist that worked in the liar,murderer Cain.who denied the father and the Son of man Jesus The ler. . "I don't know where my dead brother is I buried him under the corn stalks out of sight our od mind .No faith the unseen things of God needed just believe the father of lies the spirit of the antichrist as in why serve a unseen eternal God

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

mishmash

 

[Mr GLee]

mishmash

Did you compare the spiritual understanding to the spiritual (faith to faith) and find a match?.

Why would you say that do you have a reason or a verse to offer.to support your opinion??

Antichrists' false prophets sent as false apostles Nothing more and nothing less.

Men teaching other men they must have dying mankind teach them and not our one Holy Father . Look to the chapter on antichrists' ( 1 John 2)

1 John 2: 22-27 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man (false apostle sent as a false prophet)teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Abide in him and not false apostles sent with false prophecy as oral traditions of dying mankind.

Do you think Cain did not deny the Father and Son as did Peter when he denied Christ and forbid Jesus the Son of man from doing his will, used to demonstrate antichrists.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of Man. Blasphemy against the unseen Holy Spirit our Holy Father carries no forgiveness.That 33 year window of forgiveness opportunity ended when the Son of man our brother in the lord Jesus departed

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. (false prophet false apostle) But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, (true prophecy) but those that be of men.(oral traditions of dying mankind ).

Does that define antichrists ?

 

[Josheb]

Did you compare the spiritual understanding to the spiritual (faith to faith) and find a match?.

Jibberish

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. (false prophet false apostle) But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, (true prophecy) but those that be of men.(oral traditions of dying mankind ).

Does that define antichrists ?

No.

Just because Hitler and Stalin share qualities does not mean Hitler is Stalin (or vice versa). Despots come in many forms. An antichrist is defined in John's epistles. Many exist. The existence of many antichrists does not mean every badly behaving individual in the Bible is THE antichrist. People (Christian and non-Christian) conflate the AoD, the MoL, the beast, Caesar, the Pope and a variety of individuals with the antichrist without little to no basis for doing so and when asked no rational exegesis is offered.

 

[harmonicat]

I'm old school on this. The anti-Christ is an Assyrian and emerges from that ancient area. The little horn comes out of the ancient Grecian empire. THE anti-Christ is not a global dictator. He unites a mid-eastern Islamic coalition of nations to take out Israel. I'm always willing to change my mind on this, but as of now, that's the way I see it.

 

[Hobie]

Sorry but I don't understand what you are saying

It tries to hide as many from Jerome on forward saw clearly who this entity was and the man at its head, thus its claims of futurism to say it is at the end, and preterm to claim it is past. Many have been taken in by these subterfuge and lies, and yet prophecy shows clearly who it is..

 

[Mr GLee]

I'm old school on this. The anti-Christ is an Assyrian and emerges from that ancient area. The little horn comes out of the ancient Grecian empire. THE anti-Christ is not a global dictator. He unites a mid-eastern Islamic coalition of nations to take out Israel. I'm always willing to change my mind on this, but as of now, that's the way I see it.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist (singular)shall come, even now are there many antichrists;(plural) whereby we know that it is the last time

The many antichrists, false apostles, false teachers led by the one antichrist. Satan the spirit of lies . Any that add or subtract from the perfect living abiding word of God sealed with 7 sealed til the end of time. Both terms singular and many are used together. those who do add or subtract They will not wake up on the last day and receive there new promised bodies that will never die

They are the ones that insist we need dying mankind to teach as if the Holt Spirit could not keep his promises

The work of the antichrist Satan who led antichrists is demonstrated I believe a work two in action. . in Matthew.

 

[Hobie]

Not a single word in scripture states the antichrist is the same "entity" as the beast. That is solely a function of man-made doctrinal reading of scripture, and it does not help a fraction of a scintilla when it comes to identifying who is the antichrist.

I asked you a question.

What entity?

I would like an answer to that question before proceeding. Post 4 implies the antichrist is an entity. So do posts 11 and 18. This is an assumption, one that has yet to be evidenced with any scripture, much less proven. Where does scripture state the antichrist is an "entity"? And why aren't the statements of John's epistles being addressed? Why isn't the substance of his report being engaged?

So who does the prophecies we find in Daniel and Revelation apply to, its the same entity if you look...

 

[Marty]

Not a single word in scripture states the antichrist is the same "entity" as the beast. That is solely a function of man-made doctrinal reading of scripture, and it does not help a fraction of a scintilla when it comes to identifying who is the antichrist.

I asked you a question.

What entity?

I would like an answer to that question before proceeding. Post 4 implies the antichrist is an entity. So do posts 11 and 18. This is an assumption, one that has yet to be evidenced with any scripture, much less proven. Where does scripture state the antichrist is an "entity"? And why aren't the statements of John's epistles being addressed? Why isn't the substance of his report being engaged?

Yes amen the Bible describes the sea beast and the antichrist differently and it even gives them a different purpose

 

[Josheb]

So who does the prophecies we find in Daniel and Revelation apply to, its the same entity if you look...

You will have to specify to which prophecy you are referring before I or anyone else can answer that question, but I will give you a tool by which you can answer the question yourself.


Look at the entire passage in which the individual prophecy about which you are asking occurs. Examine it for "time stamps" or "temporal markers," qualifiers that indicate when the prophecy occurs. For example, if a prophecy is said to occur when Jesus came the first time then the prophecy applies to the time prior to Calvary. If, on the other hand, the qualifiers of the surrounding text occur during events recorded in Acts and the epistolary then the prophecy applies to those living after Calvary but before the canon of scripture was closed. If the qualities match the siege of Jerusalem in 67-74 AD then the prophecy applies to those living during those seven years. Any other qualifiers can possibly be considered to apply to some other time and some other people.

In this op, however, we are concerned only with one single, solitary, lone topic: identifying the antichrist.

And since there is no mention of any antichrist in Danial or Revelation then 1) the question is off-topic and 2) the question indicates a problem in your eschatology. I will point out every time you go off topic and refuse to get back on topic and when the more it happens the more I will use that fact to show how difficult it is for a modern futurist to stay on topic when confronted with the explicit statement of scripture and the limits thereof. There are only five mentions of any antichrist in the Bible and all of them occur in only four verses found only in John's epistles. It is not a term John ever used in Revelation of his gospel. That are the facts of scripture.

 

[Hobie]

You will have to specify to which prophecy you are referring before I or anyone else can answer that question, but I will give you a tool by which you can answer the question yourself.


Look at the entire passage in which the individual prophecy about which you are asking occurs. Examine it for "time stamps" or "temporal markers," qualifiers that indicate when the prophecy occurs. For example, if a prophecy is said to occur when Jesus came the first time then the prophecy applies to the time prior to Calvary. If, on the other hand, the qualifiers of the surrounding text occur during events recorded in Acts and the epistolary then the prophecy applies to those living after Calvary but before the canon of scripture was closed. If the qualities match the siege of Jerusalem in 67-74 AD then the prophecy applies to those living during those seven years. Any other qualifiers can possibly be considered to apply to some other time and some other people.

In this op, however, we are concerned only with one single, solitary, lone topic: identifying the antichrist.

And since there is no mention of any antichrist in Danial or Revelation then 1) the question is off-topic and 2) the question indicates a problem in your eschatology. I will point out every time you go off topic and refuse to get back on topic and when the more it happens the more I will use that fact to show how difficult it is for a modern futurist to stay on topic when confronted with the explicit statement of scripture and the limits thereof. There are only five mentions of any antichrist in the Bible and all of them occur in only four verses found only in John's epistles. It is not a term John ever used in Revelation of his gospel. That are the facts of scripture.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The apostle Paul warns the Christian community of a “falling away” from the truth of God’s Word, this is the spirit of antichrist coming even then. He is concerned about the apostasy from it already present in the New Testament church, which would spread into the church and flourish as the apostate church, the beast of Revelation, in the coming centuries before the second coming of Christ. A counterfeit gospel would come into the church along with a substitute for the Sabbath, distorting the Word of God. History shows us clearly who this is and continues to this day..

 

[Josheb]

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The apostle Paul warns the Christian community of a “falling away” from the truth of God’s Word, this is the spirit of antichrist coming even then.

Paul warned the Christian community living in the first century about falling away. He was not writing to people living on the other side of the world 20 centuries later.

He is concerned about the apostasy from it already present in the New Testament church, which would spread into the church and flourish as the apostate church, the beast of Revelation, in the coming centuries before the second coming of Christ.

That is correct. He was concerned about the New Testament Church, not the post-New Testament Church.

A counterfeit gospel would come into the church along with a substitute for the Sabbath, distorting the Word of God.

Prove it.

History shows us clearly who this is and continues to this day..

No, it does not. The world is a mess but it's always been a mess and one of the chief reasons the world is in the mess it's in today is because of modern futurism. Modern futurists are constantly making baseless claims about the future that never come true and everyone hearing them knows there is never a word they say that ever comes true. They bear a bad witness to Christ, given reason for non-believers to ignore the Church, and get in the way of all the rest of Christendom doing the work directed in scripture. Modern futurists constantly subjugate scripture to modern news casts (rather than the other way around) and make things written about conditions existing in the first century applicable today as if they were irrelevant to the time in which they were originally written. When this is pointed out they then either repeatedly change the subject or attack the critic.

It's a very serious problem.


This op is not about falling away, a man of sin or son of perdition, falling away, an apostate church or counterfeit gospel or that history shows what persists today. ALL of that reads as you failing to stick ot the specified topic in your own thread.

Who is the antichrist?

The antichrist was someone who lived in the first century AD. According to John, the antichrists were living when John wrote his epistles, was expected to come during or immediately following the "last hour," and was among those who denied the Father and the Son and denied Jesus is the anointed one of God, did not confess Jesus is from God and came in the flesh. There is absolutely nothing in the Bible explicitly stating THE antichrist will live in the 21st century. There's not explicit mention of the antichrist at all in Revelation. There is no explicit mention of an antichrist in the entire book of Daniel, either.

Sadly, many Christian leaders throughout our history have abused scripture in countless ways to make various people the antichrist in error. This is one of the saddest parts of our history and one of the leading causes in modernity why outsiders marginalize the Church. No one is going to believe anyone group of people who ALWAYS fail in what they teach. It bears a bad witness and obstructs the work of the Church.​

Either agree with the above or prove it incorrect.

 

[Mr GLee]

What entity?

The assumption the antichrist is an "entity" is an assumption and assumptions are not a valid or effective means of understanding scripture. Statements like that one betray reason and always compromise the modern futurist interpretation because if the antichrist is a human and he was one of many living at the time John wrote his letters then either that man died long ago or there is a man walking around on the planet somewhere who is close to 2000 years old (in defiance of everything written in scripture about (sinful) human longevity. Furthermore, modern futurists vigorously resist "spiritualizing" or allegorizing scripture but that is exactly what must be done with the antichrist verses if this is going to be about some "entity."

John is the only New Testament author ever mentioning the antichrist and there are only four mentions in three passages.

1 John 2:18-24
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

1 John 4:1-3
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

That is it. Nowhere else in the entire Bible does the word, "antichrist" occur. Many like to conflate the antichrist with other bad guys but they ALWAYS do so doctrinally because scripture itself never does so. NEVER.

Whoever, or whatever, the antichrists were/are, the one antichrist about John and his readership were concerned was tied to the last hour. That is not the last "ages," or the last "times" or the last "days". John, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, wrote "hour," not any longer period of time. The Greek word, "hora" (G5610) could mean a length of time longer or shorter than a literal hour, but it is never an undefined or infinite period of time. Hora is always a fixed and finite mark of time. It is the same word used in the following verses,

The antichrist (singular) Satan false teaching authority through the oral traditons of dying mankind His spirt works in many antichrists' false prophets, false teachers Both forms singular the source of lies. And plural the false apostles that bring them

One of the wiles of the fathers of lies call the singular(antichrist) and plural (antichrists) all one and the same

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist (Satan) shall come, even now are there many antichrists;(false disciples false apostles ) whereby we know that it is the last time.

Satan the spirit of lies deceiving dying mankind to beleive God is a Jewish man as King of kings .

When the veil was rent to indicate circumcision of the first born. There was no Jewish man as King of kings siting in the holy of holies (a place reserved for our invisible head Christ.) Satan the antichrist could no longer deceive the whole world (all the nations) God is a Jewish man as King of kings

Peter is used to show the work of two as if one. The spirit of error antichrist working in Peter one of the many antichrists, false prophets, false apostles. There Peter rebuked God and forbid the Son of man Jesus from doing the will the father. Again to deceive mankind God is is a Jewish man as King of kings

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man, Jesus .

Blasphemy against the unseen Holy Father no forgiveness .

In that way the antichrist the false teacher Satan began his work using false apostles to make the word of God to no effect by adding to it. Eve then as one of the antichrists' (many ) deceived Adam

Genesis 3: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

God did not say. Neither shall ye touch it. That was a lie of the antichrist

 

[Josheb]

The antichrist (singular) Satan false teaching authority...........

?????

Clarify that. Am I read that to say Satan is the antichrist? Or is that to be read as "antichrist-Satanic teaching that is false...."? Or something else?

 

[Mr GLee]

?????

Clarify that. Am I read that to say Satan is the antichrist? Or is that to be read as "antichrist-Satanic teaching that is false...."? Or something else?

It is the teacher that is false. . making what she teaches false.

The word antichrist "one false teacher: is used in two ways singular (antichrist) the source of the false god Satan. And plural antichrists those he sends out with false prophecy (lies)

Satin or the legion is the father of lies . Mankind under the influence of legion Satan, preach the false gospel as oral traditons of dying mankind .

Peter is used as a example of one the many antichrists. Satan, the deceiving one working in the many antichrists' Peter.

A lesson for us not to do. Do not believe false prophecy, things of dying mankind influenced the spirit or error, Legion, The god of this world who works with all power lying wonders, in all antichrists, false apostles .' .

 

[Josheb]

It is the teacher that is false. . making what she teaches false.

The word antichrist "one false teacher: is used in two ways singular (antichrist) the source of the false god Satan. And plural antichrists those he sends out with false prophecy (lies)

Satin or the legion is the father of lies . Mankind under the influence of legion Satan, preach the false gospel as oral traditons of dying mankind .

Peter is used as a example of one the many antichrists. Satan, the deceiving one working in the many antichrists' Peter.

A lesson for us not to do. Do not believe false prophecy, things of dying mankind influenced the spirit or error, Legion, The god of this world who works with all power lying wonders, in all antichrists, false apostles .' .

Just to be clear: Satan is not the antichrist. Neither is he an antichrist.

Yes?