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Which Doctrines are Monergistic and which are not?

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Unconditional Election is clearly Monergistic; before we've done anything Good to deserve it, and before we've done anything Bad to not deserve it...

But do any other Doctrines have this little to do with us? Like Justification through Faith? Is anything less than %100 God's participation, Monergistic?

Is a Monergistic cupcake with Synergistic sprinkles; Monergistic? Does a little Synergism leaven the whole Monergism?
 
Unconditional Election is clearly Monergistic; before we've done anything Good to deserve it, and before we've done anything Bad to not deserve it...

But do any other Doctrines have this little to do with us? Like Justification through Faith? Is anything less than %100 God's participation, Monergistic?

Is a Monergistic cupcake with Synergistic sprinkles; Monergistic? Does a little Synergism leaven the whole Monergism?
God's Providence...

2nd WCF C3 P1
; God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; in which appears His wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing His decree. Of God's Decree — The 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith

Doesn't God's Providence HAVE to be Synergistic?
 
Unconditional Election is clearly Monergistic; before we've done anything Good to deserve it, and before we've done anything Bad to not deserve it...

But do any other Doctrines have this little to do with us? Like Justification through Faith? Is anything less than %100 God's participation, Monergistic?

Is a Monergistic cupcake with Synergistic sprinkles; Monergistic? Does a little Synergism leaven the whole Monergism?
Yes, just a little synergism, and it is not Monergistic.
 
Yes, just a little synergism, and it is not Monergistic.
I hate to bring the Thread to a screeching Halt; but would you say a little Synergism leavens Monergism, or would you say a little Monergism leavens Synergism?
 
God's Grace...

The definition of God's Grace is "God's Unmerited Favor". Anything Unmerited by a Person is clearly Monergistic...
 
God's Providence...

2nd WCF C3 P1
; God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; in which appears His wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing His decree. Of God's Decree — The 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith

Doesn't God's Providence HAVE to be Synergistic?
So, since in the WCF here it says, "nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established" Am I Right? It seems God does not violate man's free will but leaves it up to him. Is this kinda what you're saying?

It will be no problem showing it is not up to man, and God does not violate man's will either. But I am just curious first if I am understanding you correctly?
 
So, since in the WCF here it says, "nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established" Am I Right? It seems God does not violate man's free will but leaves it up to him. Is this kinda what you're saying?

It will be no problem showing it is not up to man, and God does not violate man's will either. But I am just curious first if I am understanding you correctly?
What about the word Contingency? Is Contingency Synergistic? Since our Contingency is established, aren't we involved in the Providence of God?
 
I hate to bring the Thread to a screeching Halt; but would you say a little Synergism leavens Monergism, or would you say a little Monergism leavens Synergism?
I'd say, they dont mix.
 
I was just thinking that I needed to slow down. Could you please clarify?
Sure, here is my question again:

So, since in the WCF here it says, "nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established" Am I Right? It seems God does not violate man's free will but leaves it up to him. Is this kinda what you're saying?

It will be no problem showing it is not up to man, and God does not violate man's will either. But I am just curious first if I am understanding you correctly?
 
Sure, here is my question again:

So, since in the WCF here it says, "nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established" Am I Right? It seems God does not violate man's free will but leaves it up to him. Is this kinda what you're saying?

It will be no problem showing it is not up to man, and God does not violate man's will either. But I am just curious first if I am understanding you correctly?
Kind of...

I'm saying the Confession is saying God's Providence is Contingent on Secondary Causes. Isn't that Synergism? If it is, the WCF continues and says, "in which appears His wisdom in disposing all things". If the above is Synergistic, Synergism is God's way of disposing his Providence, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing His decree...
 
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I'm Calvinist y'all, I swear! A Monergist for sure. But I see fewer Doctrines as Monergistic than the average 5-Point Calvinist does...
 
@Bruiser Lets have a look at the WCF Ch3 Sec 1 on God's eternal Decree

Confession of Faith​

Chapter 3: Of God’s Eternal Decree​

1. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass:
yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin,
nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.

Are you trying to claim this is synergistic? I assure you it is not.

Let's consider this part in particular: "nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established."

Elect sinners are not forced to believe in Christ; they are called by the Holy Spirit (The Holy Spirit gathers the elect). This calling transforms lost, dead sinners, unbelievers into believers, children of darkness into children of light. (Monergistic) Brother, it is not difficult to show that this teaching is eminently scriptural.

According to scripture, it is God who initiates the process of salvation by calling men with such omnipotent and irresistible power that they are brought into a saving relation with Jesus. Paul speaks of this about himself, his introduction. But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, Gal 1:15. Paul uses this term, "called," as synonymous with Christians.

Peter says the same: And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you. 1 Peter 5:10.

There is so much more. And there is nothing synergistic about any of it.

This calling is always efficacious, as it always results in salvation. This is the monergistic divine act of regeneration which infuses the life from above, the life of which Christ is the fountain, into our heart and so spells the spiritual resurrection of a sinner from the dead in sin.
And you were dead in your offenses and sins, Eph 2:1.

There is no violence or being forced to believe that a dead sinner has been resurrected (crucified with Christ) unto life, out of darkness into the light. We are saved by grace. And once this happens, we are new in Christ. We then freely express belief.
When Paul says in Romans if we confess with our mouth and believe in our hearts, we shall be saved. It is the realization that Jesus is the Christ, once the light is turned on in John 3:3. Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
We then know him and believe and are justfied by faith.

There is nothing synergistic here.
 
@Bruiser Lets have a look at the WCF Ch3 Sec 1 on God's eternal Decree

Confession of Faith​

Chapter 3: Of God’s Eternal Decree​

1. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass:
yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin,
nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.

Are you trying to claim this is synergistic? I assure you it is not.

Let's consider this part in particular: "nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established."

Elect sinners are not forced to believe in Christ; they are called by the Holy Spirit (The Holy Spirit gathers the elect). This calling transforms lost, dead sinners, unbelievers into believers, children of darkness into children of light. (Monergistic) Brother, it is not difficult to show that this teaching is eminently scriptural.

According to scripture, it is God who initiates the process of salvation by calling men with such omnipotent and irresistible power that they are brought into a saving relation with Jesus. Paul speaks of this about himself, his introduction. But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, Gal 1:15. Paul uses this term, "called," as synonymous with Christians.

Peter says the same: And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you. 1 Peter 5:10.

There is so much more. And there is nothing synergistic about any of it.

This calling is always efficacious, as it always results in salvation. This is the monergistic divine act of regeneration which infuses the life from above, the life of which Christ is the fountain, into our heart and so spells the spiritual resurrection of a sinner from the dead in sin.
And you were dead in your offenses and sins, Eph 2:1.

There is no violence or being forced to believe that a dead sinner has been resurrected (crucified with Christ) unto life, out of darkness into the light. We are saved by grace. And once this happens, we are new in Christ. We then freely express belief.
When Paul says in Romans if we confess with our mouth and believe in our hearts, we shall be saved. It is the realization that Jesus is the Christ, once the light is turned on in John 3:3. Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
We then know him and believe and are justfied by faith.

There is nothing synergistic here.
Well, that was my Argument; I didn't think I would get far here. I agree with your Post; I just believe more. I've gotten used to getting very little agreement from both sides. I'll keep reading and responding appropriately...

Like the Provisionist telling me Fullerism is Calvinism, and Calvinists telling me Fullerism isn't Calvinism .. 😅
 
Kind of...

I'm saying the Confession is saying God's Providence is Contingent on Secondary Causes. Isn't that Synergism? If it is, the WCF continues and says, "in which appears His wisdom in disposing all things". If the above is Synergistic, Synergism is God's way of disposing his Providence, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing His decree...
In the Westminster Confession of Faith (WCF) 3.1, "contingency" means that events in the world occur through genuine, conditional second causes (like human choices, natural laws, or "if-then" scenarios) rather than by random chance or direct fatalistic force. God ordains the outcome, but the events unfold through real, creaturely actions, as described by Tabletalk Magazine.


You heard of God's divine providence?
 
In the Westminster Confession of Faith (WCF) 3.1, "contingency" means that events in the world occur through genuine, conditional second causes (like human choices, natural laws, or "if-then" scenarios) rather than by random chance or direct fatalistic force. God ordains the outcome, but the events unfold through real, creaturely actions, as described by Tabletalk Magazine.


You heard of God's divine providence?
No I haven't. When I read stuff, I like the Founder's Ministry, etc. Baptist stuff. But I like lots of things...
They said Fuller is a 5-Point Calvinist...

Everyone has their opinions...
 
Unconditional Election is clearly Monergistic; before we've done anything Good to deserve it, and before we've done anything Bad to not deserve it...

But do any other Doctrines have this little to do with us? Like Justification through Faith? Is anything less than %100 God's participation, Monergistic?

Is a Monergistic cupcake with Synergistic sprinkles; Monergistic? Does a little Synergism leaven the whole Monergism?
All of the Doctrines of Grace are monergistic. Justification through faith is monergistic. How could it not be? It is the result of regeneration.

If monergisim had synergistic sprinkles it would no longer be monergism. I suspect two categories are being confused: the sovereignty of God and man's responsibility.
 
All of the Doctrines of Grace are monergistic. Justification through faith is monergistic. How could it not be? It is the result of regeneration.

If monergisim had synergistic sprinkles it would no longer be monergism. I suspect two categories are being confused: the sovereignty of God and man's responsibility.
The Cut to the Chase question would be; do you believe a little Monergism leavens Synergism? Meaning any Monergism overwhelms Synergism to the point it's Moot...

And yes, the Doctrines of Grace are Monergistic, because Grace is Monergistic...
 
No I haven't. When I read stuff, I like the Founder's Ministry, etc. Baptist stuff. But I like lots of things...
They said Fuller is a 5-Point Calvinist...

Everyone has their opinions...
Yes, everyone has their opinions. But the "proof" is in the pudding, not what someone says. Fuller was no Calvinist. Especially not a 5-pointer.
 
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