When is the Great Tribulation that Jesus and others talked about?

[Red Baker]

re the generation
Sorry I don't have time for so much verbiage on obvious things. The ADULTS who were born then would despair for the calamity coming, about 40 years later. AKA the destruction of Jerusalem AKA the fulness of God's wrath AKA the Jewish War.

Sir,

The Jews' calamity in and around 70 is not even comparable to what happen when they were taken captive into Babylon! Besides, there's hardly a word mention in the NT by any writers concerning their nation being destroyed.

Israel and its temple was destroyed mainly because God was FOREVER finished with the Jewish nation as being the source of and place where men go to worship~ the whole OT economy had come to at end not in 70 A. D. but at the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It was downhill from there forward, for the Jews and their religion~even though men are attempting to exalt them as God's chosen people when if fact only a remnant were at any given time in their history true lovers of God, and only then by the election of grace as it is now.

Matthew 27:51~"And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;"

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was now made available for all through the body of Jesus Christ.

The main reason why the Jews were destroy and their temple destroy was by the very fact the religion of Jesus Christ replaced it. Hebrews 7-10! Their worship was only to be temporary and at best was types and shadows of a worship that was so much better and glorious and God pleasing!

Maybe more on thsi later.

 

[Red Baker]

You don't know the issues of the 1st cent. generation at all. It was that gen that Hebrews was written to, it was that gen that Acts 3 was spoken to saying that if they did not listen to the "Moses" speaking to them, they would horribly disinherited. They were.

I am not interested in hearing about a "Christ" who goes around with vital help--for people X000 years later. He was talking directly, passionately, vividly, earnestly.

SIr, I know what you know by reading God's word, the true account of history.

All of the scriptures is written to all of God's children of all generations from the first century until the last one standing when this world comes to its end~ for their teachings and exhortation and words to believe and follow.

1st Corinthians 10:11~"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and THEY ARE WRITTEN FOR OUR ADMONITION, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

I am not interested in hearing about a "Christ" who goes around with vital help--for people X000 years later.

Then close you bible and go and play on your tablet, or whatever you enjoy doing in your free time, life is short better get moving.

 

[EarlyActs]

Sir,

The Jews' calamity in and around 70 is not even comparable to what happen when they were taken captive into Babylon! Besides, there's hardly a word mention in the NT by any writers concerning their nation being destroyed.

Israel and its temple was destroyed mainly because God was FOREVER finished with the Jewish nation as being the source of and place where men go to worship~ the whole OT economy had come to at end not in 70 A. D. but at the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It was downhill from there forward, for the Jews and their religion~even though men are attempting to exalt them as God's chosen people when if fact only a remnant were at any given time in their history true lovers of God, and only then by the election of grace as it is now.



The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was now made available for all through the body of Jesus Christ.

The main reason why the Jews were destroy and their temple destroy was by the very fact the religion of Jesus Christ replaced it. Hebrews 7-10! Their worship was only to be temporary and at best was types and shadows of a worship that was so much better and glorious and God pleasing!

Maybe more on thsi later.

I don't see any disagreement here. But the fate of the temple was clearly warned about bc Dan 9 was coming to an end.

 

[Marilyn C]

Ps 2 and 110 specifically say that the Father will honor the Son by smashing his enemies. It is very important that we follow what the apostles said about these things instead of our own vision of them.

Likewise the mountain. It is already here, Dan 2. It is mentioned in Heb 12, 13.

Dan. 2: 35b mountain is figuratively (as the whole great image is) of the Lord`s rulership over the earth.

Heb. 12: 22 - 24 Mount Zion is in the third heaven and represents the Lord`s seat of power and authority over all. `But you have come to Mount Zion......to an innumerable company of angels....to God....to Jesus..`

 

[EarlyActs]

Dan. 2: 35b mountain is figuratively (as the whole great image is) of the Lord`s rulership over the earth.

Heb. 12: 22 - 24 Mount Zion is in the third heaven and represents the Lord`s seat of power and authority over all. `But you have come to Mount Zion......to an innumerable company of angels....to God....to Jesus..`

The enthronement of Christ is preached 3x in early Acts, one time for each of Peter's denials. The idea is not that we 'see' a kingdom now ('it will not come by external signs'). But that Christ is to be honored now, the imperative sense. "Honor the Son, lest he be angry with you and smash you."--Ps 2 in Acts 4. Acts 3 says that the Son is being honored now (not held back) by heaven until the full restoration of earth. So there is a future aspect, but the imperative of him being honored now is essential: 'your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.'

This is the fundamental misunderstanding that D'ism makes; it thinks it has the "problem" (they created) "solved" by saying Christ will not (visibly with external signs) reign until a millenium. When it hears the above about early Acts, it immediately mocks and snorts that 'obviously Christ does not reign now; look at how Satan is having a heyday.' That is not the sense of the NT at all: Eph 1, Phil 2, Heb 1.

 

[EarlyActs]

In handling the 3 synoptics, it's important to remember that Luke is prob last because of his description of himself collecting many accounts. So we have the best picture there. He has many references to the danger of revolting against Rome and that doing so is the tribulation period that will ruin Israel.

 

[EarlyActs]

Dan. 2: 35b mountain is figuratively (as the whole great image is) of the Lord`s rulership over the earth.

Heb. 12: 22 - 24 Mount Zion is in the third heaven and represents the Lord`s seat of power and authority over all. `But you have come to Mount Zion......to an innumerable company of angels....to God....to Jesus..`

The important thing is to see what kind of rulership it was. If you go 'by external signs' you postpone everything to the future and a period with Israel in place. But that breaks the vision.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

`Then Jesus went out, and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple.

Jesus said to them, "Do you not see these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming and the end of the age?......

For there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.` (Matt. 24: 1 - 3, 21)

There is much to discuss here, so can you bring in other scriptures that relate to what the Lord is revealing to His disciples?

Since "Eschatology" is nothing more than a "Religious word" for "Rank Speculation", the only REAL ANSWER is that: "the Great Tribulation will be along WHEN IT'S TIME". Other than that we know nothing.

Since Israel may shortly remove the "Dome of the Rock" to clear land for their temple, the ISLAMIC folks probably won't take too kindly to that, and since folks are already turning against Israel, for defending themselves against HAMAS, It could get interesting shortly. As usual, IGNORANCE will prevail, and there'll be Media driven CONFUSION everywhere.

 

[TATII]

`Then Jesus went out, and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple.

Jesus said to them, "Do you not see these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming and the end of the age?......

For there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.` (Matt. 24: 1 - 3, 21)

There is much to discuss here, so can you bring in other scriptures that relate to what the Lord is revealing to His disciples?

Marylin C

This is a fantastic forum...some really interesting views...I have been trying to get to it...just got busy...I will plug in as I can?

Thank you

Tatwo...

 

[EarlyActs]

Since "Eschatology" is nothing more than a "Religious word" for "Rank Speculation", the only REAL ANSWER is that: "the Great Tribulation will be along WHEN IT'S TIME". Other than that we know nothing.

Since Israel may shortly remove the "Dome of the Rock" to clear land for their temple, the ISLAMIC folks probably won't take too kindly to that, and since folks are already turning against Israel, for defending themselves against HAMAS, It could get interesting shortly. As usual, IGNORANCE will prevail, and there'll be Media driven CONFUSION everywhere.

If a view does not realize the switch of stage at Mt 24:29 and the delay after that, it will be a train wreck.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

If a view does not realize the switch of stage at Mt 24:29 and the delay after that, it will be a train wreck.

Like most "views" up to this point. Catholics are wondering how to survive "three days of Darkness" where ONLY blessed beeswax candles will give light, and you need to cover all your windows so you can't see what's happening outside. And for $89 you can buy a "Three days of darkness travel kit", in case it catches you on the road.

 

[EarlyActs]

Like most "views" up to this point. Catholics are wondering how to survive "three days of Darkness" where ONLY blessed beeswax candles will give light, and you need to cover all your windows so you can't see what's happening outside. And for $89 you can buy a "Three days of darkness travel kit", in case it catches you on the road.

Mt24A is a historical study, as is the many things Luke says about that generation.

 

[EarlyActs]

`Then Jesus went out, and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple.

Jesus said to them, "Do you not see these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming and the end of the age?......

For there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.` (Matt. 24: 1 - 3, 21)

There is much to discuss here, so can you bring in other scriptures that relate to what the Lord is revealing to His disciples?

It is very direct, current, vital, sober. It is about that generation, and this should be no surprise, as an evil person was expected from Dan 8-9.

One of the important features is v29. The 'stage' or setting shifts from that generation of Judea to the whole world. And the NT consistently expects this--try Rom. 2, for ex. The Judean events happen but the world goes on. So Peter in 2 P 3, must explain why there is a delay.