When does the Judgment happen.

[Arial]

Only allow me to say that I highlighted it in parenthesis, this means that the content is not part of the verse, so for me it is not adding opinion to the Scriptures, only inserting something as accessory information.

It wasn't just accessory information. It was an accessory opinion/interpretation without any support inserted into the text as though it were what the text was saying. In fact, the text Rev text said nothing about a satanic world of a red dragon and neither does anywhere else in Scripture. Certainly not in John 17. Using parenthesis like that is saying "This is what the text means).

Matthew 24:15 ->15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

You aren't Jesus.

 

[Arial]

It's simple. No matter what translation it is, the difference in interpretation lies in interpreting by the letter and by the Spirit. Interpretation by the letter in any biblical version is deadly, the letter kills.

Then what are the letters there for? Perhaps you should explain for us what you mean by "the letter".

The Scripture you refer to is 2 Cor 3:6 who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

One of the most common things that leads to messed up doctrine and theology, and also one that causes the most confusion and false teaching, is the practice of pulling scriptures entirely out of context, deciding what we think it means (as opposed to finding out what it really means), and then using it incorrectly. You have done a bang-up job of that here.

What is Paul addressing when he makes that statement---which is only a partial statement? First of all, he is defending his authority as a Christ appointed appostle to teach the truths of the New Covenant doctrine.

Second, he is saying the NC is not of the letter but of the Spirit. This "letter" refers to a particular and specific thing. The Sinai covenant Law. In verse 3 he calls his believing recipients a letter from Christ, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. He is comparing the New Covenant to the Old Covenant. The Old was written on tablets of stone, and it changed no heart but condemned them since they could not keep that Law perfectly. How do I know this?

Verse 7-8
7Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory?

The Spirit in verse 6 is a direct reference of the regenerating of a heart spoken of by Jesus in John 3. It is not some personal individual mystical new revelation given as a Bible interpretation. The Spirit illuminates our understanding of his word, but that does not remove the principle of scripture interpreting scripture. The understanding will be found in the word.

I will have to deal with the rest later.

 

[prism]

The verse of Hebrews above quoted refers to JESUS as "he and 'him" again "he". But when I write this verse and countless
other verses I capitalize "He and Him" because refers to my Lord JESUS Christ, not to a common man. And I always capitalize the name of my Lord. And God I capitalize too. For examples(my post #47): -> John 1:11-13->11 He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.
12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on His name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD.


In my posts #43 and 47 I referred to the verse above where our Lord JESUS prays to the Father and makes intercession for them which GOD the Father has given Him, but He interceds not for the world.
And in parentesys I wrote (satanic world of the red dragon-Revelation12:3 and 9)->9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.->(The great red dragon will be cast out from the midst of GOD's people who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:->Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on. Alleluia!)

But the Saviour JESUS Christ did not interced for the world-> (world of the red dragon)->Revelation 12:9. As is written in John 17:12:->While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name those that Thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition that the Scripture might be fulfilled.->(now, in the time of Apocalypse, he is called red dragon-Revelation 12:3-4 and 9);

By the way, in my study of the Word of GOD(I always capitalize), 2Thessalonians 2:3-4 refer to the son of perdition, who is the MAN of sin(Genesis 3:1), and he is the dragon as is written in Revelation 13:11, and so on. In fact, he will manifest himself as a lamb, a false lamb, a false messiah-> (John 5:43-47, take a look), and False Prophet(REVELATION 16:13).

But in 2Thessalonians 2:3-4, the son of perdition will manifest himself as God->(here I cannot capitalize, of course), as follow:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; ->(that Day is the current seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium. We are living in the turn from the sixthj to the seventh and last millennium. I would say, it is midnight on GOD's watch)

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of GOD, shewing himself that he is God.(Fake), ->(who will oppose and exalt himself above all as God, and as God will sit in the Great City of Jerusalem, where our Lord JESUS was crucified, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt->Revelation 11:8.

I hope to be better understood with these explanations of mine.

Thanks for your opinion and explanation.

 

[Arial]

The letter is one of the edges of the Sword of GOD, it was made by Him and is to be used to kill.

Where is it said in Scripture that one edge of the sword of God is to be used to kill? Not here (see below).

By allegory, is the tree of good and evil – Genesis 2:17 combined with 3:22 and also 3:1, where the MAN of sin, the son of perdition, used this deadly edge of God's Word to deceive and kill through its literal interpretation.

In that statement you have Satan wielding God's sword.
Satan executing death by God's word.
God's word becoming the instrument of deception.

Do you still think the Spirit gave you that interpretation?

In saying that the sword of God is to be used to kill you introduce agency. You have Satan wielding it.

Satan's speech was not the word of God it was a lie and distortion.

Paul teaches in 2 Cor 3:6 that the letter (the letter of the Law as outward obedience as demonstrated later in the chapter and elsewhere in scripture. It is what the Pharisees were guilty of and self-righteous legalistic Christians); the letter in that sense condemns because of human sin. The Spirit gives life through God's action. Paul never teaches that the letter is a weapon or that the letter is used to kill, or that it is wielded by Satan.

And Satan is not a man.

 

[Arial]

{Satan}used this deadly edge of God's Word to deceive and kill through its literal interpretation

What Satan said in the Garden of Eden was not a literal interpretation of God's word. It was a distortion of his word and an outright lie. And it was not anything that Satan said that brought death to Adam, Eve, and all mankind. It was what Adam and Eve did---they disobeyed God and broke the covenant relationship.

On the other hand, the interpretation by the Spirit in any biblical version, I mean the other edge of the Lord's Sword, is used to give Life. The Word is God, God is Spirit, the Spirit of life, the Tree of Life eternally – Genesis 2:9.

That's how I judge,-> by the Word of GOD.

Do you still insist that the Spirit gave you that interpretation, even though it contradicts the entire Bible?

 

[Oseas]

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
John 17:9 9I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
Rev 12 says nothing about a satanic world of the red dragon. That is your interpretation forced into the text, without any exegesis to show it belongs there.

John 17:9 says nothing about Jesus not praying for the satanic world of the red dragon. Do you think that is something he would ever be doing or that he would need to inform the Father that he was not doing? The ones he is praying for are the ones the Father has given him, and the one's he is not praying for are the ones the Father has not given him. IOW he is not praying for all persons without exception, And he is praying for those the Father has given him because:

11And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. 12While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

You are Scripturally off track.

The son of perdition is not a red dragon. The son of perdition in John 17 contextually is being applied to Judas.

John 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.)
John 17
12While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
What Scripture was fulfilled by Judas' betrayal?
Ps 41:9
“Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.”
Ps 109:8 “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.”

Ps 109:8 was quoted directly in Acts 1:20 when the apostles explain why Judas' position must be replaced. Jesus is not saying that Judas became lost unexpectedly, but that his role in redemptive history unfolded according to Scripture.

You misuse the Scripture. It is not speaking of a red dragon. Your assertions need careful exegeses.

It wasn't just accessory information. It was an accessory opinion/interpretation without any support inserted into the text as though it were what the text was saying. In fact, the text Rev text said nothing about a satanic world of a red dragon and neither does anywhere else in Scripture. Certainly not in John 17. Using parenthesis like that is saying "This is what the text means).

You aren't Jesus.

Then what are the letters there for? Perhaps you should explain for us what you mean by "the letter".

The Scripture you refer to is 2 Cor 3:6 who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

One of the most common things that leads to messed up doctrine and theology, and also one that causes the most confusion and false teaching, is the practice of pulling scriptures entirely out of context, deciding what we think it means (as opposed to finding out what it really means), and then using it incorrectly. You have done a bang-up job of that here.

What is Paul addressing when he makes that statement---which is only a partial statement? First of all, he is defending his authority as a Christ appointed appostle to teach the truths of the New Covenant doctrine.

Second, he is saying the NC is not of the letter but of the Spirit. This "letter" refers to a particular and specific thing. The Sinai covenant Law. In verse 3 he calls his believing recipients a letter from Christ, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. He is comparing the New Covenant to the Old Covenant. The Old was written on tablets of stone, and it changed no heart but condemned them since they could not keep that Law perfectly. How do I know this?

Verse 7-8
7Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory?

The Spirit in verse 6 is a direct reference of the regenerating of a heart spoken of by Jesus in John 3. It is not some personal individual mystical new revelation given as a Bible interpretation. The Spirit illuminates our understanding of his word, but that does not remove the principle of scripture interpreting scripture. The understanding will be found in the word.

I will have to deal with the rest later.

Where is it said in Scripture that one edge of the sword of God is to be used to kill? Not here (see below).

In that statement you have Satan wielding God's sword.
Satan executing death by God's word.
God's word becoming the instrument of deception.

Do you still think the Spirit gave you that interpretation?

In saying that the sword of God is to be used to kill you introduce agency. You have Satan wielding it.

Satan's speech was not the word of God it was a lie and distortion.

Paul teaches in 2 Cor 3:6 that the letter (the letter of the Law as outward obedience as demonstrated later in the chapter and elsewhere in scripture. It is what the Pharisees were guilty of and self-righteous legalistic Christians); the letter in that sense condemns because of human sin. The Spirit gives life through God's action. Paul never teaches that the letter is a weapon or that the letter is used to kill, or that it is wielded by Satan.

And Satan is not a man.

What Satan said in the Garden of Eden was not a literal interpretation of God's word. It was a distortion of his word and an outright lie. And it was not anything that Satan said that brought death to Adam, Eve, and all mankind. It was what Adam and Eve did---they disobeyed God and broke the covenant relationship.

Do you still insist that the Spirit gave you that interpretation, even though it contradicts the entire Bible?

In you post #61 you said for me:""You aren't Jesus."". Right, I'm not JESUS, but He and me are brothers, understand?All things were/are delivered unto Him of His Father and mine too, understand? And He lef crystal clear, saying: ->" No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.

You said:""Satan is not a man."". You are wrong completely. Satan is a man, yes, Satan is the man of sin, the son of perdition, yes, son of perdition:->2Thessalonians 2:3-4 and 9-12:-> 3-Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,except there come a falling away first,and that MAN of sin be revealed,the son of perdition;- Whose son is he?
4-Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. -> In His prayer to the Father, my Lord JESUS said: John 17:12-> While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition;that the Scripture might be fulfilled.->(Scriptures are written in black; the changes to blue and red are mine).
9-Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10-And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11-And for this cause GOD shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

The fallen and lost MAN of sin, son of perdition, even he is the Father of the Jews, except JESUS:->John 8:33&41and 44-45:- 33 - The Jews said to JESUS:-> We be Abraham's seed, ->41 - We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even GOD.
My Lord JESUS answered and said to th Jews:-> 44-> Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 - And because I tell you the Truth, ye believe me not.

See the difference of Satan from Adam's time and Satan of the current time​

See the difference of Satan from Adam's time and Satan of the current time

Arial, everything you wrote above in your posts are good for nothing to me. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, understand?

What matters for me is what is written in the Word of GOD:-> 2Corinthians 5:10-> For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

JESUS said: Matthew 12:36-37->
36 - But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 - For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

1Corinthians 3:12-17
12 - Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 - Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 - If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 - If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

16 - Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Be prepared or else get ready

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[Arial]

In you post #61 you said for me:""You aren't Jesus."". Right, I'm not JESUS, but He and me are brothers, understand?All things were/are delivered unto Him of His Father and mine too, understand? And He lef crystal clear, saying: ->" No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.

Scripture does not say that all things were/are delivered unto you or any other fallen human. Jesus did not change the word by putting things in parenthesis (which is what this statement was about) and the fact that in Matt 24:15 the translations put "let the reader understand" in parenthesis, does not give you or anyone else the authority to change the word by putting their own words in parenthesis. The parenthesis in the case of Matt 24:15 function as an editorial aside. It is a brief comment inserted int Jesus' quotation to signal something important to the reader. A call for careful attention. It alerts the reader that the phrase "abomination of desolation" is not self-explanatory and requires understanding the prophecy of Daniel.

And in the future do not lump several complete posts into one response but deal with the content of each post. You did not deal with the content of any of them but just re-expressed your own interpretations.

 

[Arial]

In His prayer to the Father, my Lord JESUS said: John 17:12-> While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition;that the Scripture might be fulfilled.->(Scriptures are written in black; the changes to blue and red are mine).

. The son of perdition in John 17 contextually is being applied to Judas.

John 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.)
John 17
12While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
What Scripture was fulfilled by Judas' betrayal?
Ps 41:9
“Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.”
Ps 109:8 “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.”

Don't ignore what people say and simply repeat yourself.