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What is the doctrine of Eternal Security?

What is the doctrine of Eternal Security?

What all is included?

How does one in your understanding obtain it?

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What God has begun he will complete.

What makes you think you can obtain it? It is only a gift, not a grasp —not something you can "obtain". Predicated only on the mercy of God and on what God has set out to do.
 
To be justified before God is to be declared righteous, through the imputation of Christ's righteousness. It comes about through faith. (Eph 2) and is of grace---not works----grace. We are reconciled to God.

Perseverance and justification are two different things. Persevenance is never letting go of our faith, which we could and probably would, every last one of us, were it not for the author of our faith also bringing it to completion. Don't confuse perseverance and justification and don't confuse either of those with sanctification (which is a work of the Holy Spirit in us.)

Eternal life is either eternal or it is not. It can't be eternal and then become not eternal.

Salvation has to be eternal or it was never salvation.
That’s right eternal life is not eternal salvation!

Not faith alone! Faith and baptism are required for justification!

And it’s not perseverance in faith alone but in grace, apart from sin!

Scripture that opposes “Faith alone”!

Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Rom 8:17 faith and suffering
2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
Col 1:24 sufferings
Philemon 1:5 love and faith
Phil 1:29 called to suffer not faith alone
Titus 2:2 faith, love, patience
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 2:19 & rev 13:10 & Rev 14:12 commandments & patience
Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith, Hope, & Charity!
 
That’s right eternal life is not eternal salvation!

Not faith alone! Faith and baptism are required for justification!

And it’s not perseverance in faith alone but in grace, apart from sin!

Scripture that opposes “Faith alone”!

Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Rom 8:17 faith and suffering
2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
Col 1:24 sufferings
Philemon 1:5 love and faith
Phil 1:29 called to suffer not faith alone
Titus 2:2 faith, love, patience
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 2:19 & rev 13:10 & Rev 14:12 commandments & patience
Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith, Hope, & Charity!
I've asked you...and others...this several times.....HOW MUCH?
 
That’s right eternal life is not eternal salvation!
What exactly do you think Jesus meant when He said in John 6:14-15 for example. "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life."
Not faith alone! Faith and baptism are required for justification!
That is Catholic belief but it denies the sufficiency of Christ. In fact your whole religion does the same thing. And to make matters worse, it claims that only the Catholic religion and their rituals can save. The entire institution is an idol.
And it’s not perseverance in faith alone but in grace, apart from sin!
No one has faith without the grace of God giving it. "It is by grace you are saved, through faith, and that is not of ourselves but is the gift of God." Which is more reliable? What God says or what the RCC says? The grace spoken of in that passage means that no one, no matter what they do to try and attain favor and reconciliation with God (justification) they will fail. Even those He foreknows, predestines, calls, justifies, and glorifies---those He gives to Jesus---- don't deserve reconciliation and justification. It is of grace. The passage does not say faith and anything else. We cannot persevere in grace. Grace is not ours to persevere in. Grace belongs to God, the Creator of all that is.
Scripture that opposes “Faith alone”!
They do not oppose faith alone, they are discussing other elements. I did not read them all because you interpret them as proof texts, and so convinced are you that whatever the RCC says is what God says, instead of the other way around (the RCC standing in the temple of the Lord, His people, and declaring itself to be God) that you actually think you have made your case. But, if you would please, take just the first three proof texts you give and present a thorough exegies of them---using only the whole counsel of God. Use proper hermeneutics in doing so and do so only consulting the Bible itself, not RCC dogma. If you can't do that, neither you or your religion have a leg to stand on.
 
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That’s right eternal life is not eternal salvation!

Not faith alone! Faith and baptism are required for justification!

And it’s not perseverance in faith alone but in grace, apart from sin!

Scripture that opposes “Faith alone”!




Christ's work of faith as a labor of love is God working in us to both will and do the Holy Father's good pleasure. His faith is not alone.

His faith "Let there be" is always accompanied by his works "And it was very good"

Work of faith all one thing. Without his faithfulness his works would be dead .let there be " and nothing changes nothing.

Why offer dead works? Human faith (God calls no faith) Towards God is not coming from God's labor of love

Hebrews 6 :1 King James Version6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,. . .not coming from God as the one source

Dead faith = dead works.

He calls us of little faith the measure needed to believe God. Peter said increase his new born again faith. . Christ strengthening him.

Christ is the storeroom of faith, God's power that produces grace. His barn are alway full ..
 
I pity you and your god. According to you...you've already lost your salvation the moment you sinned ater your so-called salvation...and reseparated from god.
Unless you repent and confess your sin!
 
How much abiding and enduring is required?

You still sin....which means you don't abide and endure. Your works based dependent "salvation" gets you no where.

Do you not realize Jesus paid the price??? ALL OF IT?
Until death! How much faith alone is required?

There are venial sins and mortal sins!
 
What God has begun he will complete.

What makes you think you can obtain it? It is only a gift, not a grasp —not something you can "obtain". Predicated only on the mercy of God and on what God has set out to do.
We have absolutely nothing we can do? No participation in God’s grace?
 
I've asked you...and others...this several times.....HOW MUCH?
Abide in Christ in his grace and covenant till death!

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
 
We have absolutely nothing we can do? No participation in God’s grace?
Is, "We have absolutely nothing we can do?" a trick question? We are intimately involved. God's grace inside us is INSIDE US. But nothing we do procures grace; nothing we do causes grace; nothing we do saves us.

What does "No participation in God’s grace?" even mean?

"And if by grace, it is no longer from works; otherwise grace no longer would be grace."
 
What exactly do you think Jesus meant when He said in John 6:14-15 for example. "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life."

That is Catholic belief but it denies the sufficiency of Christ. In fact your whole religion does the same thing. And to make matters worse, it claims that only the Catholic religion and their rituals can save. The entire institution is an idol.

No one has faith without the grace of God giving it. "It is by grace you are saved, through faith, and that is not of ourselves but is the gift of God." Which is more reliable? What God says or what the RCC says? The grace spoken of in that passage means that no one, no matter what they do to try and attain favor and reconciliation with God (justification) they will fail. Even those He foreknows, predestines, calls, justifies, and glorifies---those He gives to Jesus---- don't deserve reconciliation and justification. It is of grace. The passage does not say faith and anything else. We cannot persevere in grace. Grace is not ours to persevere in. Grace belongs to God, the Creator of all that is.

They do not oppose faith alone, they are discussing other elements. I did not read them all because you interpret them as proof texts, and so convinced are you that whatever the RCC says is what God says, instead of the other way around (the RCC standing in the temple of the Lord, His people, and declaring itself to be God) that you actually think you have made your case. But, if you would please, take just the first three proof texts you give and present a thorough exegies of them---using only the whole counsel of God. Use proper hermeneutics in doing so and do so only consulting the Bible itself, not RCC dogma. If you can't do that, neither you or your religion have a leg to stand on.
Jn 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

They took it literally and he did not say oh boy’s don’t go away I only ment it figuratively! No he turn the apostles and ask do also wish yo leave?

Does not deny the sufficient grace of Christ! All grace comes from Christ but not all at one time! Jn 1:16
Everytime Peter or Paul greets the faithful they say grace be unto you! Why if you don’t need any more grace?
 
They took it literally and he did not say oh boy’s don’t go away I only ment it figuratively! No he turn the apostles and ask do also wish yo leave?
So you still believe Jesus said it was ok for them to eat human flesh and drink human blood? You haven't addressed that yet. You just keep repeating the RCC dogma.
Does not deny the sufficient grace of Christ! All grace comes from Christ but not all at one time! Jn 1:16
Everytime Peter or Paul greets the faithful they say grace be unto you! Why if you don’t need any more grace?
We always need grace and mercy. Every minute of every day. We go boldly before His throne to receive it. Not a Catholic priest. Peter and Paul were not Catholic priests, they were apostles, and "grace be unto you" was not dispensing grace, but a prayer of blessing. And we do not need grace to be saved AGAIN, but to help in our time of need---whatever the need is.
 
Unless you repent and confess your sin!
How many times can you lose your salvation and then repent and get it back? Do you have a biblical example of a person doing this?
 
Until death! How much faith alone is required?

There are venial sins and mortal sins!
There are venial sins and mortal sins!.....where does the bible teach this?
 
Abide in Christ in his grace and covenant till death!

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
I'm not sure I see how the verse complements what you wrote. Can you explain?
 
What about sins that one has committed throughout their life that they can't specifically recall?
Why would be responsible for something you have no control over?
 
Is, "We have absolutely nothing we can do?" a trick question? We are intimately involved. God's grace inside us is INSIDE US. But nothing we do procures grace; nothing we do causes grace; nothing we do saves us.

What does "No participation in God’s grace?" even mean?

"And if by grace, it is no longer from works; otherwise grace no longer would be grace."
Grace requires works to be fruitful!

Mark 4:8
3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:

4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.

5 And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth:

6 But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.

8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.

All had faith are all saved?
Did all bring forth fruit?

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace issufficient for thee: for my strength ismade perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Protestant doctrine perverts the Gospel, scripture, and the eternal words of Christ!

“Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
Matt 26:41

Why bother? Who cares!

I’m saved and don’t have to do anything!

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. Lk 9:23

Why bother? Who cares!

I’m saved and don’t have to do anything!

“For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;”
Phil 1:29

Why bother? Who cares!

I’m saved and don’t have to do anything!

Thks
 
So you still believe Jesus said it was ok for them to eat human flesh and drink human blood? You haven't addressed that yet. You just keep repeating the RCC dogma.

We always need grace and mercy. Every minute of every day. We go boldly before His throne to receive it. Not a Catholic priest. Peter and Paul were not Catholic priests, they were apostles, and "grace be unto you" was not dispensing grace, but a prayer of blessing. And we do not need grace to be saved AGAIN, but to help in our time of need---whatever the need is.
No it is forbidden, we are not eating human flesh and blood but Jesus Christ! The resurrected Lord!
 
So you still believe Jesus said it was ok for them to eat human flesh and drink human blood? You haven't addressed that yet. You just keep repeating the RCC dogma.

We always need grace and mercy. Every minute of every day. We go boldly before His throne to receive it. Not a Catholic priest. Peter and Paul were not Catholic priests, they were apostles, and "grace be unto you" was not dispensing grace, but a prayer of blessing. And we do not need grace to be saved AGAIN, but to help in our time of need---whatever the need is.
The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the queen of heaven!
Lk 1:28 “full of grace”!

They were priests!

“Ordained”

Mk 3:14 “ordained”
Matt 22:14 Jn 15:16 “chosen” “ordained”
Jn 20:21 “sent by Christ with His authority”
Jn 20:23 “power to forgive sins”
Acts 1:8 “anointing with power”
acts 1:15-26 “ministry / bishop”
Acts 2:38-39 “administered sacraments”
acts 14:23 “ordained”
Acts 16:4 “ordained “
Rom 15:16 “minister / sanctify”
1 cor 9:14 “ordained”
1 Tim 2:7 “ordained”
1 Tim 3:1-2 “bishop”
1 Tim 4:14 “priest” “priestly ministry”
Phil 1:1 “bishops deacons”
James 5:14 “anointing with oil”


Christ is high priest! Heb 8:1 therefore he has authority over low priests of the same ministerial order!
 
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