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What Is Grace?

grace2 said:
Grace is that God is love.
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1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Romans 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
 
ChristB4us said:
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Romans 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
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That is grace which is love.
 
Arial said:
Do you think if she had said, "Thanks but no thanks." God would have gone looking for someone to consent? She wasn't consenting. She was expressing her trust through obedience.
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Eve cooperated in our fall it is reasonable to expect Mary to cooperate in our salvation
 
Arial said:
I am wondering how it is possible that God needs anyone's consent, ever, to do what He decrees to be done or what He intends to do?
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Well your right Mary was well prepared by God by the great grace of the immaculate conception whereby she was totally consecrated to God and His divine will
 
ReverendRV said:
Aseity means that God doesn't need his Creatures...

If God requires consent from Mary, what does this do to his Aseity?
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She was consecrated to God and fully cooperated in His divine will

It is reasonable that as Eve cooperated in our fall Mary cooperated in our salvation
 
donadams said:
She was consecrated to God and fully cooperated in His divine will

It is reasonable that as Eve cooperated in our fall Mary cooperated in our salvation
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Why is that reasonable? Eve didn't cooperate in our Fall; Adam was solely responsible. Adam Fell FOR her, not WITH her. Your example supports us; Sola Adam; Sola Christus. In Adam, or in Christ; Romans 5...
 
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ReverendRV said:
Why is that reasonable? Eve didn't cooperate in our Fall; Adam was solely responsible. Adam Fell FOR her, not WITH her. Your example supports us; Sola Adam; Sola Christus. In Adam, or in Christ; Romans 5...
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There is only one savior! The Lord! And he is found with Mary his divine mother! Lk 1:28
 
ReverendRV said:
His Divine Mother?? This is Heresy...

Even to the Roman Catholic church...
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Automatic fundamentalist reaction!

It does not mean she is divine but the mother of a son who is divine!

St. John the divine! Does that me he is divine? Of course not, only that he taught about the divinity of Christ.
 
donadams said:
Automatic fundamentalist reaction!

It does not mean she is divine but the mother of a son who is divine!

St. John the divine! Does that me he is divine? Of course not, only that he taught about the divinity of Christ.
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It's error to call anyone Divine...

You; say you make Sainthood. You will not be Divine...
 
donadams said:
Saint means holy it’s divine grace that sanctifies and makes us holy unto God
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Why does the Roman Catholic Church has to do a review before they make anyone in the catholic Church an official "saint" when all believers are saints, even the newly born again believers?

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Saints has been used for identification with the Jews and after that, the believers in Jesus Christ.

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One has to wonder if the RCC started that practice so that believers that are Catholics will not wonder if they are saved without the works of Catholicism when God considers them saints already for having come to & believed in Jesus Christ.
 
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